CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #11

[TxLady2]

If they thought Dad had hidden him, I would imagine he could be charged at the expiration of the time he was legally permitted to have him on this visit, couldn't he? Not that I think that is the case.

As far as those two photos, I really do not see much difference. Same posture, same stance, perhaps he is a little more tired at Walmart.

Yes, I imagine so, if he hid him and didn't return him to his mother at the specified time. I knew a woman who tried to have her ex charged with kidnapping when he didn't return her children on time... he was like an hour late. They didn't charge him, I don't think, but if it had been hours or the next day, they may have. I guess they need to find out what DID happen before any charges are brought up.

I don't see that much difference in the photos either. Maybe since I'm not poring over them just looking for something to prove a point, but he looks the same to me... tired.

 

[wantjustice]

I wonder what we would look like in a Walmart surveillance photo shot? I know I often get irritated in Walmart so I might have a scowl on my face too

I know the feeling! I shop there for the great prices but Walmart provides an experience all of its own if you know what I mean. I am always exhausted when I leave that store.

 

[kkdj]

That comment has always stood out to me. I could see someone doing this with a young child or baby but Dylan is 13. They wouldn't be able to keep him in hiding forever and chances are he would find a way to contact his Mom. I'm not saying this is an impossible theory but probably pretty unlikely.

On the flip side how many times have we heard boyfriends/husbands make this comment about the girlfriend/wife and end up killing them.

And just because Mom said this doesn't mean it's true. She did not say that MR ever said this, this was just her opinion of how he thought about Dylan.

Much as I agree with most of what you say and see that it's improbable, as a mom myself, if my child were missing I would not in any way shape or form point the finger at anybody, no matter how much I hated them, unless I believed they were involved. So with that thought I have a tendency to listen to mom. Then my imagination of what occurred and my logic of what could have occurred sets in.
So, I'm back to what occurred after walmart? Where were the last ping on dylans phone?
Whew! Round and round thinking! Always ends up at the same place!

 

[katydid23]

I wonder what we would look like in a Walmart surveillance photo shot? I know I often get irritated in Walmart so I might have a scowl on my face too

True. But I guess I am imagining how I used to feel when my divorced dad picked us up on the first night of his vacation visitations. We often went to eat and then to the store on the first night of our mini-vacation. And we were usually smiling and happy because of our expectations of what he was going to 'treat' us with in the market. We would get treats and small gifts that first night because he was happy to see us. I don't remember scowling or frowning in the market on his first night of seeing us. [ by the final night, lots of frowns, on our part and his.]

 

[TexasCharm]

How do we know they both have been going at it for years? Or that either of them have alienated the kids against the other?

http://durangoherald.com/article/20121203/NEWS01/121209881/Police-reveal-no-new-leads--

Mark Redwine and Elaine Redwine divorced in 2007. Dylan and his mother moved to Colorado Springs this summer, along with Dylan’s brother, Cory.

They have had a protracted divorce with court proceedings occurring in almost monthly since 2005.

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I never said that one of these parents alienated .. I said in a hypothetical situation it is usually the one that alienates the kids from the other parent....

imo

 

[Amster]

Dylan is 13, not 3.....just saying....

 

[katydid23]

People do not walk around with a grin on their fact at all times. (Well, not the sane ones.. lol) These pic are only a moment in time.... on a very poor quality photo.

I agree he doesn't look happy, but refuse to imagine what horrible thing must have happened to him to make him look that way.

What would you or I look like at any given moment on a photo at walmart..?

I'm RARELY happy in Walmart .. and would hope that people don't imagine that I was just abused horribly because I'm not walking around with a grin on my face.

A moment in time ....

imo

imo

True, only a moment in time. But it is 'the one moment' that LE put out to the public. If they had tons of happy go lucky smiling footage, and one moment of sullenness, why would they put this one moment out? I tend to think this was the general tone of his emotions during the Walmart experience. jmo

 

[Amster]

Just a wild guess....but the 2 photos released by LE might, possibly be the best at showing what Dylan was wearing and what he looked like on that Sun. evening. Maybe, possibly, he was tired.

 

[katydid23]

http://durangoherald.com/article/20121203/NEWS01/121209881/Police-reveal-no-new-leads--

Mark Redwine and Elaine Redwine divorced in 2007. Dylan and his mother moved to Colorado Springs this summer, along with Dylan’s brother, Cory.

They have had a protracted divorce with court proceedings occurring in almost monthly since 2005.

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I never said that one of these parents alienated .. I said in a hypothetical situation it is usually the one that alienates the kids from the other parent....

imo

I got the feeling from your previous post that you were implying that ER was the one dragging out the divorce and alienating the kids from him. I think maybe because you said somethng like " I think I know which one it was.."

I am not sure it was ER that was dragging anything out. I get the feeling she was trying to move on with her life, and start a new fresh life. She had a very good job and a new home and was getting remarried. jmo

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I don't really put too much into what Mom says about Dad. They have obviously been going at it for years. I did however, have a tendency to listen to her a little closer after the NG show and seeing that she wasn't bashing Dad as I expected her to. (at least to me she wasn't) If she would have been on there bad mouthing and bashing and accusing him I probably wouldn't have paid any attention to her.

 

[JustJeannie]

I wonder what we would look like in a Walmart surveillance photo shot? I know I often get irritated in Walmart so I might have a scowl on my face too

LOL... very true. That's one picture representing one milisecond in time. And I know when I worked at a mom and pop store years ago, we were robbed, and after that the owner put in a security camera. We would occasionally review the footage, and we'd either lsugh hysterically or cringe looking at some of the expressions we were seen making.

I mentioned in a previous thread, pause your DVR or dvd player randomly on a person's face. Nine times out of ten, you'll catch some very weird expression, that you would totally not see just watching the show.

JMO, but I can't make too much out of his expression because of knowing that happens. It could be he was irritated over something, or it could just be a passing expression. No way to know for sure without seeing the video footage, IMO.

 

[TexasCharm]

I got the feeling from your previous post that you were implying that ER was the one dragging out the divorce and alienating the kids from him. I think maybe because you said somethng like " I think I know which one it was.."

I am not sure it was ER that was dragging anything out. I get the feeling she was trying to move on with her life, and start a new fresh life. She had a very good job and a new home and was getting remarried. jmo

I dont' know them, so I can't speak to that. .. Only that it typically means at least one of them is out to hurt the other ...

I have my opinion, but it's just that .. my opinion.

 

[TxLady2]

I actually tended to believe her at first. Then when I found out that these two have been going at it for YEARS .. pulease.

When two people fight like that for years after their divorce it usually means at least ONE of them is just trying to hurt the other. I don't know which one (if not both) it is in this case, but I have my guess.

It's usually the same one who alienates the kids from the other parent.

I hate when adult people ruin childrens lives because they only think of themselves. Selfish selfish selfish.

imo

We went through a lot of crap with my hubby's ex, so I know what some women are capable of. There is always some jealousy or resentment, especially if one or both find another partner. In our case, she remarried months before we did, but she cried and told the kids that their Dad didn't love them anymore and that I wanted him to forget about them.
She even told some people that my hubby had hired a hit man to kill her b/f, the one she left him for. First, he didn't have a clue where to find one, and second, he barely had two nickels to rub together when they split up, she got everything, and third, he doesn't have a violent bone in his body, it just wouldn't be his style. Oh, and more importantly, her b/f wasn't dead.

I don't know what the case is here between the two of them. I'm just saying that it might be perfectly natural to her to imagine that her ex could harm their child. It might not be to me, but I don't know. And again... she may have her reasons, but once Dylan is found and if it is proved that Mark had nothing to do with it, she can look back and wonder why she had those suspicions in the first place. If he DID do something to him, then she will be justified. Either way, I can't necessarily say she is wrong for thinking it, because mothers usually have wild imaginations and are like mama bears when it comes to their kids. It's just MOO that maybe she should not have made those thoughts public so soon, ya know? I think I would have kept those thoughts to myself, but that's just me.

 

[jennapuppy]

oh right. I forgot about DR being "asleep" in the AM. I don't believe MR spoke with DR - he was "out like a light". so he wasn't conscious and maybe wasn't alive at that time.
I think that right there is the comment that is setting up the dad to defend himself if it's learned that DR was deceased by Monday morning. He can say - oh no! he wasn't alive? I thought he was sleeping. even if the cause of death (god forbid) is not determined he can say he didn't even know he was dead. but if this turns out to be the case, how does a deceased person go missing if not removed by the killer?
am I making any sense?

I don't know if anyone has replied to this, but the latest reports have MR telling Dylan that he had to leave and Dylan replying "OK, I understand". Don't have time to find the link right now, though.

 

[T4Tide]

If you have time, you can find Dylan's friends on his Facebook page. Several of them have albums in which Dylan is pictured. One album in particular depicts Dylan and his friends riding around on a trailer pulled by an ATV. There are at least 30-40 pictures. In several of them, Dylan's friends are laughing and smiling. It is interesting to note that of the pictures that include Dylan, he is NOT smiling. Not once. In fact, he looks like he'd rather be somewhere else!! I do not know that is how he felt, or if this is his natural demeanor. It might be his way of "looking cool." I have seen some other pictures in which Dylan is sporting a smirk-ish smile, but never a full, molar-showing grin. Because of the pictures I have viewed, I would say that it is quite impossible to gauge Dylan's emotions, much less other speculations, based on photographs of him. He was captured with his very best friends (the one who made the video) and presented with the exact same demeanor as the surveillance footage.

I cannot link any of said albums due to the fact that they belong to minors, but they are easy to find if you start on Dylan's page as a reference point.

 

[DylansMom34]

Sorry, but unless any of us were in the courtroom or otherwise associated with Mark and Elaine's marriage, divorce proceedings, protection orders, etc., none of us know what was going on. To me, any discussions about the goings on during the divorce and child custody hearings are purely speculation.

 

[jennapuppy]

That comment has always stood out to me. I could see someone doing this with a young child or baby but Dylan is 13. They wouldn't be able to keep him in hiding forever and chances are he would find a way to contact his Mom. I'm not saying this is an impossible theory but probably pretty unlikely.

On the flip side how many times have we heard boyfriends/husbands make this comment about the girlfriend/wife and end up killing them.

And just because Mom said this doesn't mean it's true. She did not say that MR ever said this, this was just her opinion of how he thought about Dylan.

They've been separated and divorced for several years. It doesn't seem likely that he would wait years to get retribution by harming Dylan - especially after he had just gone to court to obtain visitation. And I don't think he sought visitation rights for the sole purpose of killing Dylan to get back ER. I know we've seen that happen before, but I just don't get that vibe in this case.

That's just my opinion, though.

 

[DylansMom34]

http://www.9news.com/news/article/3...n-by-missing-boy?odyssey=tab|topnews|bc|large

New story but it doesn't really say anything....

 

[catswhiskers]

Even in a poor quality photo, one can see the difference between a smile and a frown. I do not know why he was frowning, maybe because Dad wouldn't buy him an expensive request of some kind or something along those lines. But he does appear to be unhappy, imo.

These also aren't photo's as such - they're grabs from poor quality security video. Not to mention probably the very best grabs LE could snip that showed Dylan's entire face and clothing. They catch people on the move - including moving facial expressions. He was hardly going to be walking around Walmart looking cheery and excited about shopping IMO. A grab from a security camera can make anyone look like they are grimacing! When we know we are being photographed by a still camera, even if we don't particularly want to be snapped - we tend to hold our facial expressions still until we think the photo has been taken.

Off in another direction, and harking back to the hitchhiking ... I really think that if ER saw fit to have a discussion with Dylan about this before he left, then there could very well have been some history there - why else would the subject even arise?

I have 13 and 15 year old sons myself, and know that they wouldn't even consider hitchhiking - they have told me as much themselves whenever we have passed hitchhikers on the highway here. We live in a reasonable sized semi rural town located between several popular tourist/beachy regions - the hitchhikers are usually foreign backpackers or just dodgy looking men you would never dream of slowing down for! We have enough sad stories here in Australia about predators targeting hitchhikers over the past decades, and most parents would make their kids fully aware of the dangers. We also live only an hour or so away from where 13yo Daniel Morcombe went missing in 2003, and his parents are now national public figures who promote child safety in schools. Daniel wasn't hitchhiking, but it seems he accepted a ride after missing a bus His beautiful face has stayed in the news all these years - his alleged abductor/killer and remains were only found in late 2011. And his funeral is finally happening today, as his remains have only recently been released for this to occur

For Dylan and his mates in more wilderness type areas where most people know everyone else in their towns, hitchhiking might seem a good option if parents aren't around and they want to see each other. I know it is mentioned often that DR being a runaway has been discounted - but would that necessarily eliminate the possibility that he just headed off on foot to see if he could make his own way to his meeting with friends?

:moo:

 

[katydid23]

They've been separated and divorced for several years. It doesn't seem likely that he would wait years to get retribution by harming Dylan - especially after he had just gone to court to obtain visitation. And I don't think he sought visitation rights for the sole purpose of killing Dylan to get back ER. I know we've seen that happen before, but I just don't get that vibe in this case.

That's just my opinion, though.

I don't think the prevailing suspicion involves him premeditating the disappearance in the way described above. I think it is more along the lines of wondering if someone got into an argument that went sideways.