CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #11

[Confusion]

MR texted ER, not called.

ER has said that texts worked there, but calls didn't always.

 

[AlexisFresca]

Volunteers to search ditches for Dylan Redwine clues Saturday


Volunteers and investigators in La Plata County will search ditches between Durango and Vallecito Saturday for clues in the disappearance of 13-year-old Dylan Redwine.

In a statement Thursday evening, the Sheriff's Department said the search was not prompted by new leads, but to get in one more look ahead of potential snowfall arriving this weekend.

The search along La Plata County 240 will begin at 8:30 a.m. at the Edgemont Ranch picnic area in the 5300 block of La Plata County 240 west La Plata County 234.


Read more: Volunteers to search ditches for Dylan Redwine clues Saturday - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/breakingn...es-dylan-redwine-clues-saturday#ixzz2ELvm4GeB

Is anyone posting who is familiar with this area?
Is there anything you can tell us about this picnic area?
Interesting they are including ditches in Durango

 

[SmoothOperator]

His last visit was Labor Day weekend, that's September. This was his first visit since the custody change on Sept. 21. Not that it really makes any difference. I'm just a stickler for details.



There could be a lot of things that could account for that (which I included in my outline in the last thread). I'd really like to know what may have happened TO DYLAN between 7:30 and 11:30 am, but it's hard to discuss that because nobody wants to talk about him - MR is more important. MOO

Above BBM.. This is not true that no one wants to talk about Dylan.. Dylan Redwine is exactly why and what we are here for.. It is Dylan Redwine who my heart hurts for, and that I continue to pray to God to help lead these LE to find him!..and while some may believe that prayer does no good IMO it's the only thing I can do from here where I am at clear across the country..

I will remind anyone who has selectively forgotten, or fail to mention there are threads, multiple threads earlier on where the 4 hours that you refer to have been thoroughly discussed, inside and out, backward and forward, and over again 10 times in each direction.. There are several of us who CONTINUALLY BROUGHT UP, SUGGESTED, THEORIZED, DISCUSSED THOROUGHLY AD NAUSEUM ALL OTHER SCENARIOS POSSIBLE other than those involving Mark Redwine...

This discussion and repeated discussion, traveling of avenues, and going over and over and over what, how, who, when, where regarding Dylan Redwine's disappearing into thin air SPECIFICALLY IN THAT FOUR HOUR SPACE OF TIME..

So, it's in my strong opinion that to indicate differently, or ignore those hours of thorough discussion that many people took part in THAT DISCUSSED ANY/ALL AVENUES OTHER THAN MARK REDWINE is just not an honest or accurate statement.. We have earlier threads worth of hundreds, if not thousand worth of posts to prove that this above statement that we've not, is just not accurate or factual..

(and just to be clear I am in no way indicating that our prior discussion of the other possibilities means that it's a topic not up for discussion for any who would still like to discuss those other possibilities..not at all is that what I am saying..I am only saying that to speak as tho our threads of prior thorough discussion NEVER OCCURRED is not honest...Many of us looked AT EVERY OTHER POSSIBILITY away from Mark before we ever came to the opinion of Mark as a viable suspect.. IN OUR OPINION, not stating fact)

Not an expert, so backing up

Federal regulations: http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/registration-licensing/cdl/cdl.htm


Colorado page on the subject: http://www.dmv.org/co-colorado/apply-cdl.php#Federal-Guidelines



If ER was telling the truth, and why wouldn't she, then we can safely assume MR has a clean driving record and stays sober when he is on the road.

Previous post I'm expanding on:

In all honesty WRT to ER telling the truth(above BBM).. Elaine made it very clear that she in all honesty was not at all sure what job Mark held in recent years..

I understand it's being reported but I don't think the cell company has the ability to tell whether - especially on a cheap flip phone - whether a phone was manually turned off or whether it isn't sending pings for some other reason. The only way that could happen is if the cell phone sent an explicit signal to a cell tower saying (in effect) "I'm turning off now" and he was within range of a tower that could receive that signal. While maybe a smartphone does that, I'm not sure a dumbphone would.

But the point of "HOW" the cell phone was last powered off(ie.manually turned off, battery actually removed, submerged in water, etc ) is not relevant to the simple fact of importance that THE PHONE WAS NEVER EVER POWERED ON after its powering off on SUNDAY EVENING ..

IMO it's that key point that's of importance, not how it was powered off, but rather just the fact that IT WAS BY SOME MEANS POWERED OFF PERMANENTLY SUNDAY EVENING ..

Jmo, tho and it's altogether possible that I am misunderstanding your meaning of importance and if so forgive me and scroll past and disregard.. I'm going in circles again :crazyie. Time for me to jump off here for the night)

Why not? :waitasec:

WRT to AlexisFresca's statement that she understands why Elaine is not pleading for her Childs release from a possible abductor..but NOT understanding why Mark would not be pleading for such..

The way I took Alexis' statement is that the reason why mom is not pleading to an abductor is because she does not believe there is an abductor out there who has taken and harmed or is holding captive her son..but rather that Elaine believes Mark is responsible for her son's disappearance thereby knowing there's no abductor of which to make a publkc plea of mercy on her son's behalf..

Jmo on how I read it and the reason why mom would not be making public pleas WRT to her son's release..:moo:

 

[katydid23]

You know, I haven't seen one bit of evidence pointing to the possibility that Mark Redwine harmed Dylan.

You havent seen one bit of evidence pointing to the ' POSSIBILITY' that dad harmed Dylan? Really? There is nothing that says it is even possible?

I haven't seen any evidence that says it is proven with certainty. But I have seen plenty of evidence that says it is possible.

For example, he was the last known person to see him, and the only adult in charge of a minor. There were no other adults present and no apparent witnesses to Dylan being safe and sound after 8 pm on Sunday night.

And on Monday, Dylan did not act in his characteristic way, nor follow routine practices, and communicate with others as was his regular pattern.

 

[katydid23]

ER has said that texts worked there, but calls didn't always.

Yes, but he wasn't at his home, supposedly. According to the timeline, he should have been in Bayfield, looking for Dylan. He said he went to the friends and when he heard that Dylan had never been there, he called ER and then reported his son missing. So there was no reason his cell shouldnt work in town. He wasnt in the mountains at that time, supposedly.

 

[katydid23]

I don't see anything irregular about his question. He checked with friends in the area first, and when they hadn't heard from Dylan, he called Dylan's mom. Seems perfectly normal when a person is missing to contact the people in his circle, no matter how far away. She has said Dylan checked in with her pretty regularly. So naturally MR would consider she might have heard from him.

But he didnt ask her for help finding his missing son until 4:30 pm. And yet he came home to an empty cqbin at 1130 am. Why didnt he call her then to see if she had heard anything? He didnt actively start searching for Dylan until just before dark. He went to the ffriends in Vallecito. just a couple of miles away, about 4 pm. What took him so long to check on his sons whereabouts?

 

[SmoothOperator]

The friends mentioned hitchhiking in the first few days.

Novemer 27, 2012

Dylan's friends in Bayfield told The Durango Herald that Dylan was supposed to meet them Sunday night, but he changed that to Monday morning. They told the newspaper they think Dylan hitchhiked to meet them and then was abducted.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...e-task-force-created-in-missing-teenager-case

And apparently mom was concerned he might hitchhike because she cautioned him against it. She also said it would be "uncharacteristic" of Dylan to hitchhike. If she's so sure, then why did she warn him no to do it? At some point the notion must have entered her mind. I wonder why. Did she know of an instance when he did?

Similarly, while some of Dylan's Bayfield friends suggested he might hitchhike down from Vallecito to Bayfield for a scheduled visit with them, Elaine Redwine said she and Dylan had talked about being safe, including not hitchhiking.

“It would be uncharacteristic of Dylan to do that,” she said.

http://durangoherald.com/article/20121203/NEWS01/121209900&template=mobileart

December 2, 2012
Redwine says he believes Dylan may have disappeared while hitchhiking in the rural area where the crime rate is generally low.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2012/12/02/Colorado-youth-missing-two-weeks/UPI-85631354470782/

I, too have thought quite a bit about this particular "hitching" issue/possibility a few threads back.. Below is one of my posts(that I c/p from thread #5) discussing at length my thoughts on the hitching and that I absolutely from the onset have given weight to this particular issue as well as discussed at length differing scenarios and theories of Dylan having met with foul play via the "hitching"..

As explained below it's the other IMO missing key elements that made me move away from this as a likely possibility..jmo, tho..

My opinion is NOT that I don't believe that Dylan would have hitched a ride..because I have given weight to the statement made by his friends that Dylan was not shy and in their opinion would have been likely to hitch a ride, if not had at some point in time earlier possibly may have even actually hitched a ride from a neighbor, family friends, acquaintance, or even stranger for all we know..

I have given this weight and IMO find it even believable that Dylan would have attempted to hitch a ride IF NEED BE..

IF NEED BE IMO IS KEY ... Again not to sound like a broken record(but really I am) I will again go back to the words of those who know Dylan best.. That if Dylan had overslept, refused to get up early when dad attempted to wake him..if he'd instead woke up after his dad had already left THAT DYLAN WOULD HAVE CONTACTED FRIENDS TO NOT ONLY ASK IF THEIR PARENTS COULD GIVE HIM A RIDE, BUT THAT HE WOULD HAVE CALLED THEM TO LET THEM KNOW WHY HE'D NOT SHOWN UP AT 630AM AS THEY HAD EXPECTED HIM TO.. and his not doing this IMO indicates to me that there was no setting out on foot to get a cell signal..or to hitch a ride...

Now if Dylan had called the friends and learned that nope, none of their parents were avaiable to come pick up Dylan..yes, I absolutely believe that given his friends opinion that AT THAT POINT that Dylan quite likely would have attempted to hitch a ride to get to his friends..jmo..

So, for me its not at all that I believe this young man was somehow above hitching a ride, too shy or somehow otherwise incapable of hitching a ride..that is not my belief.. I just believe that NO MATTER WHAT the situation was that one of the very first things that Dylan would have done upon awaking to an empty house, with dad already long gone, therefor ha img missed his ride to his friends..the very first thing he would have done is contact his friends via text, cell call, or landline call and first let them know he'd missed his ride and that's why he was not yet there..and second to see if any of their family/friends could come pick him up..

IMO that would have happened..and IMO it certainly would have happened before this 13yo naive young boy set out intent on hitching a ride..

All jmo,tho.

 

[katydid23]

I have been gone all day and away from the computer. Just got home late tonight and my heart is very heavy after reading these articles about Dylan's family crisis.

I see ER as a strong, resilient parent, trying to better her life and move on from the chaos. I think she has grown and is trying to help her boys heal as well. But I think MR was still stuck in the vicious cycle, and still bitter and struggling. As he himself said, his problem is his ex-wife.

I think the family struggle continued that night, between father and son. Dad perhaps got got angry, took the phone from Dylan, who may have reacted like a 13 yr old that has some issues with his dysfunctional father. I don't know what happened, but I have a terrible, gut wrenching feeling about that night.

I get very bad juju vibes from MR. And have since day one, as evidenced by my brief forced vacation. But I will be very surprised, if we don't learn at some later date, that LE has been focused on dad since late monday night. JMO

 

[aust amateur slueth]

ER has said that texts worked there, but calls didn't always.

thats true for Vallecito lake but is it also true of Bayfield?

remember he had travelled to Dylans friends houses so he wasn't up in the rural area

 

[margarita25]

Not sure if this has been discussed, but I remember ER stating on NG that she thinks MR may have been working as a truck driver. I would like to learn more about this...what his routes were, what he was hauling, etc.

 

[SmoothOperator]

They were divorced in 2007. The alleged incident occurred in 2008. Still, not cool if it really happened, but ER wasn't his wife at the time.

http://www.9news.com/news/article/303598/339/Missing-boys-family-had-violent-history

My apologies in not differentiating wife from estranged wife.. My mistake for not specifying that it was in his estranged wife and children's front/side yard, more specifically under his estranged wife, Elaine's bedroom window that Mark proceeded to have sex with a mutual "friend" of he and his estranged wife, Elaine..and this taking place in front of atlesst one of his sons that beared witness to his father's overt acts there outside the family home..

With it being better or more accurately detailed I stand by my opinion that this is SEVERE FAMILY DYSFUNCTION at it's finest..but thats jmo, tho regardless of if he and his estranged wife were legally divorced or not as the divorce began in 2007, but by no means were they divorced soon thereafter...

 

[sadnpod]

I've been following, but haven't posted much. Not only do I think there is a "POSSIBILITY" dad harmed Dylan, I think its probable. Where are you beautiful boy?

 

[Money Girl]

You havent seen one bit of evidence pointing to the ' POSSIBILITY' that dad harmed Dylan? Really? There is nothing that says it is even possible?

I haven't seen any evidence that says it is proven with certainty. But I have seen plenty of evidence that says it is possible.

For example, he was the last known person to see him, and the only adult in charge of a minor. There were no other adults present and no apparent witnesses to Dylan being safe and sound after 8 pm on Sunday night.

And on Monday, Dylan did not act in his characteristic way, nor follow routine practices, and communicate with others as was his regular pattern.

That's your opinion, but I do not share it at all.

 

[Money Girl]

I've been following, but haven't posted much. Not only do I think there is a "POSSIBILITY" dad harmed Dylan, I think its probable. Where are you beautiful boy?

What a horrible thing to say.

 

[Money Girl]

I am really shocked at all the unfounded accusations on this thread.

 

[Eileen730]

They were divorced in 2007. The alleged incident occurred in 2008. Still, not cool if it really happened, but ER wasn't his wife at the time.

http://www.9news.com/news/article/303598/339/Missing-boys-family-had-violent-history

There is a link in here saying all this happend during the marriage and AFTER the divorce.
Seems it was an ongoing pattern.

I

 

[Eileen730]

I am really shocked at all the unfounded accusations on this thread.

What unfounded accusations?

 

[Eileen730]

Listen to this video and you will hear why.
http://www.9news.com/news/article/303598/339/Missing-boys-family-had-violent-history

 

[marlywings]

Volunteers and investigators in La Plata County will search ditches between Durango and Vallecito Saturday for clues in the disappearance of 13-year-old Dylan Redwine.

In a statement Thursday evening, the Sheriff's Department said the search was not prompted by new leads, but to get in one more look ahead of potential snowfall arriving this weekend.

The search along La Plata County 240 will begin at 8:30 a.m. at the Edgemont Ranch picnic area in the 5300 block of La Plata County 240 west La Plata County 234.

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingn...s-search-ditches-dylan-redwine-clues-saturday

 

[Eileen730]

Typically, police use surveillance video to determine the interaction between the missing child and anyone else that comes in contact with them. In this case, investigators would look to determine how Dylan interacted with his father and see if anyone else approaches the boy. They might also contact customers who were in the store at the time to determine if they saw or overheard anything suspicious

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...ast-seen-night-before-he-was-reported-missing