CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #12

[Confusion]

What about bait? Do people even use worms anymore? If not, how would he have got bait? No reports of any tackle shops nearby that we've heard about. Did Mark maybe buy some at hellmart the night before? Not that I believe that he went fishing that morning, but that 'details' thing, yanno?

Still thinking the whole fishing pole thing is a red herring.

jmo

I would say he may have been fly casting, but I can't see MR calling that a fishing pole. For years when I fished, I just used corn as bait.

I know you didn't mention walking 4 miles to the lake, but a lot of other people have. When I was 14, I walked about 3.5 miles to the lake practically every day during the summer, and on a lot of weekend at other times of the year. It usually took me 45 minutes, and sometimes less if I was in a hurry. I know my younger brothers also walked there at times, and it didn't take them much longer. I could see him easily making it in an hour or less.

 

[PaulR]

Ummm ... I know nothing about fly fishing, so what does that mean? I thought you do that in streams, not lakes?

Nope, you can do it in a lake too.

http://www.flyfishingforbeginners.com/Techniques/lakes.html

The only time I've gone fly fishing was in a stream.

 

[Crosby87]

Here is what I think happened, in terms of that situation, from what we have been told.

MR reportedly texted ER, around 4:30, right after finding out that Dylan never arrived at his friends home in Bayfield. He asked her if she had heard from their son. Then apparently, she called MR, and asked what was going on. She told him he needed to call and report him missing. He said he would do so.

After she hung up, she immediately called LE herself. The reason she said she did not know if MR actually called the Sheriffs Dept, imo, is because MR did not
respond to her calls/texts for the first couple of days, according to what she said at one time. And then there was so much tension between them, they stopped communicating w/each other. JMO

During her interview with NG, ER didn't say MR needed to contact LE when she texted him back, she said we should call the sheriff and she went ahead and placed the call herself. She didn't tell Mark to and she said she didn't know if he called or not.

Only one call is necessary and because Dylan was with Mark it would be better for him to call and file a missing person's report because only he can provide them with the specific details they need not her.

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REDWINE: Well, his dad texted me at around, oh, 4:30. Maybe it was closer to 5:00 on Monday. And I texted him back. You know, it was like, Well, we should call the sheriff. So I went ahead and I actually called the sheriff that day. I don`t know if Mark had called the sheriff that day, either, but I called the sheriff right after I got the text from Mark.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1212/03/ng.01.html

 

[AlexisFresca]

Even if he loved fishing, he was clearly very eager to see his friends.
Wanted to go see them as soon as he arrived, then had to change for first thing the next morning. So why in the world would he then decide to go fishing? Without even contacting his friends to tell them he won't be arriving when he promised.

Yep, not buying it here, either. Imo, Mark was trying to delay LE and steer them in the wrong direction to buy some more time. Then he had the audacity to turn around and say that he felt LE was handing the search all wrong! :furious:

 

[katydid23]

If they taught fly fishing at the middle school where Dylan's friends went (and maybe Dylan went there too since he lived in Bayfield for a time), there's a good chance he was fly fishing.

I don't see how that follows, logically. I am sure there were about 100 or more kids who took that fly fishing class. Were they all out fishing that morning, leaving no notes or messages for their family and friends? And hiking 4 miles each way, all alone?

Just because he may have once taken fly fishing, it does not automatically follow that he took off all alone to fish, and decided not to contact anyone that morning. JMO

ETA: Paul, I just saw your reply and now realize you were responding to a prior question about fly vs bait. Now I get ya. Thanks.

 

[AlexisFresca]

I've found out worse news via email.

Understand that and saw your post; however, this is a child and involves a mother who loved her son very much and I get the impression Dylan cared and loved for her deeply as well. They had a good relationship and kept regular contact. We can disagree; I just feel its in really bad taste and shows total disrespect.

 

[asyousay]

Hi - I have been reading this thread and I have a couple of questions ( they may be stupid ones to the seasoned pros on here)

If Dylan had made it back to the house on Sunday night , why would be of worn the same dirty clothes he traveled in on the Sunday on Monday ?

If he slept in the bed then surely there would be fresh DNA to prove that , no? ( as in the father would of put on clean bedding so would of left traces of Dylan sleeping in the bed)

Also why would he not of made something to eat for breakfast on Monday morning ( he is a growing teenager )which would of left finger prints and a mess as how many teenage boys wash up after themselves ?

 

[PaulR]

I don't see how that follows, logically. I am sure there were about 100 or more kids who took that fly fishing class. Were they all out fishing that morning, leaving no notes or messages for their family and friends? And hiking 4 miles each way, all alone?

Just because he may have once taken fly fishing, it does not automatically follow that he took off all alone to fish, and decided not to contact anyone that morning. JMO

You asked whether he went bait fishing. I suggested that it was probably fly fishing because that was what he was exposed to (and his friends probably fly fish too since they teach it at Bayfield Middle School.)

You are right that him being more liable to go fly fishing does not mean he DID go fly fishing but I wasn't answering that question.

I would be surprised if no other kids went fly fishing if school was out, though.

 

[katydid23]

During her interview with NG, ER didn't say MR needed to contact LE when she texted him back, she said we should call the sheriff and she went ahead and placed the call herself. She didn't tell Mark to and she said she didn't know if he called or not.

Only one call is necessary and because Dylan was with Mark it would be better for him to call and file a missing person's report because only he can provide them with the specific details they need not her.

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REDWINE: Well, his dad texted me at around, oh, 4:30. Maybe it was closer to 5:00 on Monday. And I texted him back. You know, it was like, Well, we should call the sheriff. So I went ahead and I actually called the sheriff that day. I don`t know if Mark had called the sheriff that day, either, but I called the sheriff right after I got the text from Mark.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1212/03/ng.01.html

BBM

Reading that now cracks me up, because when I say to my husband:

"we need to ____________" what I really mean is " You need to do that." :angel:


ETA: to clarify, the way I interpreted what ER was saying was that when she said to her ex " WE need to call the sheriff" what she meant was " you need to call the sheriff,"

 

[Seajay]

I've found out worse news via email.

Or Facebook.

 

[AlexisFresca]

Nope, you can do it in a lake too.

http://www.flyfishingforbeginners.com/Techniques/lakes.html

The only time I've gone fly fishing was in a stream.

So, what? Dylan would have been at the lake looking for dead flies to put on the hook to cast his line? Sorry, like I said, no knowledge about fly fishing whatsoever.

 

[Seajay]

I would say he may have been fly casting, but I can't see MR calling that a fishing pole. For years when I fished, I just used corn as bait.

I know you didn't mention walking 4 miles to the lake, but a lot of other people have. When I was 14, I walked about 3.5 miles to the lake practically every day during the summer, and on a lot of weekend at other times of the year. It usually took me 45 minutes, and sometimes less if I was in a hurry. I know my younger brothers also walked there at times, and it didn't take them much longer. I could see him easily making it in an hour or less.

I walked 3 miles to school each day, one way. It took me about an hour in high heels.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

Normal people don't get divorced.

plenty of normal people get divorced every day. people who know that it is far better for their relationship to end rather than maintain a false facade where one or both are unhappy.

normal people are not perfect and nor are their relationships

 

[PaulR]

So, what? Dylan would have been at the lake looking for dead flies to put on the hook to cast his line? Sorry, like I said, no knowledge about fly fishing whatsoever.

It's ok With fly fishing you generally make lures out of various materials, the idea being that it looks like a certain type of insect or other edible to fish. At least that is how I did it, we didn't actually use dead flies.

Usually you make these ahead of time so all you have to do is grab some lures. MR hasn't explicitly said that Dylan took lures but I interpret "fishing pole" as more than just the physical pole.

 

[Confusion]

I walked 3 miles to school each day, one way. It took me about an hour in high heels.

I never wore shoes unless I absolutely had to, but it was usually heels when I did.

 

[Seajay]

It doesn't look good for MR. Odds are he's involved. In what capacity, I'd like LE figure that out. There are still other things that could have happened.

Just think how boring this place would be if everyone agreed about every detail of this case. Everyone would say they agree, each time a detail was posted and that would be it.

If nothing else, those of us who are waiting for LE to make a move, announce a suspect or a POI or to make an arrest are at least keeping everyone on their toes.

When all is said and done, maybe we will know what happened. We will know if Dylan is still around. I'm praying he is and there is a good explanation was to why he's been missing so long.

 

[AlexisFresca]

No, not love loss, it's about control and his need to.

Normal people don't litigate for 7 years. One of them is dragging the other into court all the time. My money is on it being dad, evidenced by his lawyer visit the first full he he was supposed to have the son he supposedly fought so long and hard to see.


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Josh Powell's dad, Stephen Powell, fought for 11 years with his wife in divorce court over not only the divorce, but custody of the kids as well. Look at all we've learned about him since Susan went missing! :what: Another very disturbed .... person.

 

[catswhiskers]

Wow, her child is missing and she texts him back instead of calling? That's cold and heartless.

I believe the reaction here in these threads to MR's text letting ER know Dylan was missing was that he* had been cold and heartless - maybe this is what PaulR was getting at. The patchy cell reception may be the reason texting was the first choice for all concerned that day. We don't know that MR didn't begin his text off by asking if ER had heard from Dylan that day, as he hadn't seen him for hours. Or his text could have been one of panic - we don't know.
I feel that ER has been pretty vague about the actual wording of any texts she sent or received over those couple of days. I'm definitely not implying anything sinister here at all - but she presumably has her cell phone with her still, and could have read NG or any other interested reporter what was sent (and exactly when) via text from all parties verbatim.

Regarding the fishing and lack of bait scenario - I might be mistaken, but I thought Ransom said using live bait wasn't permitted in the area?? I know so little about fishing period - I don't even know if that means you are only allowed to use artificial "bait" like man-made lures??
:moo:

*ie ... if MR was cold and heartless for sending an important message via text, surely ER was cold and heartless as well

 

[katydid23]

Ok, so lets say it was going to take him about 45 minutes to walk to the lake, each way.

What time do we think he left the cabin? He was apparently 'out like a light' at 7:30, and too tired to get a lift to his friends. So how much longer did he sleep? An hour at least I would think.

Then he ate some cereal and watched some tv. So we are looking at 9:30 or 10 by that time. So why would he plan on a fishing trip right then when he knew his dad was on his way home to give him a lift to his friends house in town? Especially when it was 45 minutes each way. JMO

 

[AlexisFresca]

Normal people don't get divorced.

:what: Paul, Paul, Paul.