CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #13

[tamild]

MR alleges they made two stops after he picked up his son at the airport Sunday night so Dylan probably began texting as soon as he got in the truck and were heading home.

If MR didn’t want Dylan texting his friends, because he was sitting right next to his son, he would probably just grab it out of his hands and in turn Dylan would say “hey, give me my phone back” and try to get it back. Since his father was sitting next to Dylan, he likely hit him with his right fist to stop him.

I’m not sure if striking a person once with the side of your fist would leave telltale marks on it but Dylan is a small boy so a blow from an adult male would definitely harm him.

If the blow killed Dylan, what would MR do next? Drive to his house or somewhere else to dispose of his body and cell phone?

There is no reason for MR’s fingerprints to be on Dylan’s cell phone so if this is what happened, MR would need to get rid of it and since Dylan’s backpack is also missing, it's probably in there.

If this altercation occurred around 8 pm, MR had 12 hours to dispose of his son’s body, fabricate an alibi, and stage the house to make it appear like his son was there.

jmo

I don't really mind this theory, except that it would require MR to have the foresight to remove clothing from the backpack (and possibly an iPod-haven't determined yet that it was Dylan's) before disposing of the remains and backpack. Also, I would think we would've had a cadaver dog hit on the truck. JMO

 

[beach]

Also, I a little confused about the family dynamics, if someone could help me clear that up.

1. How long were Mark & Elanie married? I know the divorce dragged out several years (7?) Anyone clear on how long they were separated before the divorce?

2. The kids. I know about Corey, Dylan, Nick and I believe we discovered a Mark, Jr. last night. I know that Dylan was the bio son of both ER & MR. I am unclear about Corey. I think Nick & Mark Jr. are the bio sons of Mark Sr. but unsure if they have the same mother. Any clues as to the ages or even birth order of those kids? (I am thinking Mark, Sr. --> Nick --> Corey --> Dylan.) Do I have any of that right?

3. Does anyone know how many times both ER & MR have been married to others? Also, have any of their ex-spouses spoken out? Do we know if there was violence or similar problems in those marriages?

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

I don't know very many men who will make the bed. Since he's single, who is going to see it to complain?
My husband will keep piling dishes and cups and glasses in the sink all day, and unless I break down and do it, they don't get washed.
We don't have a dishwasher so the dishes are washed by hand.
He doesn't cook, either.

It sounds like you do have a dishwasher... It just happens to be YOU! :wink:

 

[Ransom]

Also, I a little confused about the family dynamics, if someone could help me clear that up.

1. How long were Mark & Elanie married? I know the divorce dragged out several years (7?) Anyone clear on how long they were separated before the divorce?

2. The kids. I know about Corey, Dylan, Nick and I believe we discovered a Mark, Jr. last night. I know that Dylan was the bio son of both ER & MR. I am unclear about Corey. I think Nick & Mark Jr. are the bio sons of Mark Sr. but unsure if they have the same mother. Any clues as to the ages or even birth order of those kids? (I am thinking Mark, Sr. --> Nick --> Corey --> Dylan.) Do I have any of that right?

3. Does anyone know how many times both ER & MR have been married to others? Also, have any of their ex-spouses spoken out? Do we know if there was violence or similar problems in those marriages?

They were divorced in 2007.
http://www.pinerivertimes.com/news.asp?artid=1098

 

[kkdj]

And so has mom.

This is true. So did Cory I believe. Quite curious.

Thanks again Ransom for all your hard work!

 

[katydid23]

Wow, those are pretty staggering stats.Thank you so much for sharing.
So the idea of an RSO or an SO are very unlikely in these kind of cases .

But we would have to narrow down those stats according to WHERE the child was abducted from. If he was abducted from the home that morning, it would likely be by someone Dylan knew or was acquainted with. But if he was abducted while hitch hiking, then it would likely be a stranger. Then again, if he was 'abducted' from Dad's car, Sunday night, not so much.

 

[shefner]

Why is it that when I have the time, everyone is sleeping....and when I don't have the time, everyone is posting? Just wondering...

The stats on sexually motivated kidnappings of kids makes me sick! I don't think this is one of those cases, however.

 

[dlc]

Three weeks ago today Elaine put her baby on a plane to his father and never saw him again. I just can't fathom how that happened or the hell she must be living in because of it. I remember sending my oldest off for visits with his dad. I knew I was going to get him back in need of a nap, a bath and a meal that didn't come from a drive thru window but I never had any doubts that I would get him back. That's the way it is supposed to work. You send your child off to a parent that loves them, misses them and spoils them rotten for the short time they have them then they return a happy, perhaps cranky child to you. What went wrong here?

It should be unthinkable that MR did something to his own child but sadly it isn't. We see it time and time again here. And it isn't just fathers that would rather kill their children than see their ex's happily move on with their lives. There is a break down in our culture that the system is failing to catch or address. It can't be allowed to continue.

In this case, if the reports are true then the warning signs were there. MR had a history of violence and at least one of his children was involved. Dylan, at 13 was expressing a desire to skip forced visits. The constant court proceedings should have been a huge red flag for control issues on one side and that alone should have triggered an investigation. Dylan was failed and now he is missing. Somebody is responsible for that and they need to be held accountable now.

Where is that precious child?

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Great post; thank you.

I think the article about Dylan's half-brother is also important (for some reason my "search" feature isn't working?). It's the one with the picture of him with his new baby. IMO, it's important because the stepbrother talks about the broken relationship _he_ had with his father, and kind of cools (IMO) the speculation by some that Mrs. Redwine is responsible for the strained relationships between Dylan, Corey, and Mr. Redwine. This young man was from a different marriage.

Again, great post. How awful.

 

[TxJan1971]

Mod Request

I need your help. lol Tricia has been swamped with other duties and cases recently and she has not had a chance to familiarize herself with all the facts concerning Dylan's case. And though I've been reading and feel pretty much up to date, I don't trust myself as well as many of you who have kept up since the very beginning.

The last half-hour of Tricia's radio show tonight will be dedicated to Dylan's case. Marc Klass will be joining her on that discussion. I need to provide a synopsis so Tricia will be up-to-date and can ask Marc for his input/opinions on the most pertinent matters. Don't post your questions for Tricia & Mark here - We will do that later and much closer to show time. However, you can help me with the following:

Is Mysticrose's timeline (linked here) pretty much up to date? Is there anything that needs to be added? For instance, I know Dylan called his mom after he landed at the airport, but I am not sure of the exact time of that last text.

Please let me know & post anything else that you guys feel is relevant and important that Tricia needs to be aware of before her interview. I need to put this together for her by 3:00p central time. I was on here all day & night yesterday and I have a few personal things I MUST take care of today, so I will be jumping in and out.

You guys are the BEST and I am SO appreciative of any help y'all can give me on this!


Also, I know of a poster who has done some excellent sleuthing on the properties that we have been confused about. I am going to let her post it herself. I think you guys will be very impressed and it will clear up a lot of the confusion.

Thanks again SO MUCH for your help. You can post it in singular posts or even better, if you guys can make a list, then I can "marry" the info together in one doc for Tricia's review. Any help is appreciated.

:blowkiss:

PLEASE BUMP THIS AS NEEDED SO OTHERS CAN HELP THAT MAY HAVE MISSED MY REQUEST.

I created a document for personal use that I wouldn't mind sharing if it would help. It's a timeline, but I added a column which includes a related Keywords/phrases to make it easier for me to quickly search/find who said what/when/where or who did what/when/where, etc. There are also brief summaries and then links. It's a work in progress. I just need to know how to get you the WORD document. You can use, share, post or whatever you deem appropriate. Please advise.

 

[vasportsmom]

I created a document for personal use that I wouldn't mind sharing if it would help. It's a timeline, but I added a column which includes a related Keywords/phrases to make it easier for me to quickly search/find who said what/when/where or who did what/when/where, etc. There are also brief summaries and then links. It's a work in progress. I just need to know how to get you the WORD document. You can use, share, post or whatever you deem appropriate. Please advise.

I did the same and I uploaded mine to DropBox and sent Beach the link. I can send you a DropBox invite if you would like.


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[shefner]

I cannot accept that something didn't happen to Dylan on Sunday night. I can't.
I have tried...repeatedly....to justify something else.
That kid would NOT turn off his phone after 8 pm.
If the phone was dead, he would charge it right away.
If it was broken, dad would know.
No other explanations...except that something happened to Dylan Sunday night.

 

[TxJan1971]

I did the same and I uploaded mine to DropBox and sent Beach the link. I can send you a DropBox invite if you would like.


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Could I just sent it to you? I'd probably mess it up... LOL

 

[scorekeeper]

The bottom line is -

Dylan has not been seen for 21 days
He was last seen in a Walmart video
It is very, very possible that he did NOT want to make this trip to see his dad - he wanted to see his friends - he had made plans to see his friends Sunday evening
He lived in the same town as his dad (until July 2012) and had very minimal interaction or contact with his dad the past 3 years or longer
On November 18 he was put on a plane to spend a whole week with pretty much a stranger with anger issues
It wouldn't be hard for me to imagine that Dylan also had some pent-up anger against his dad
No activity on phone since around 8 pm Sunday night
No online activity
No witness (other than dad) that Dylan even made it to the remote location of his dad's place
Dad arrived at his home on Saturday or before (Dylan's plan got delayed until Sunday) - did anyone see him/talk to him/what was he doing? If he was already at the airport waiting on Dylan's plane on Saturday, why didn't he do the major part of his grocery shopping then? Was there enough food in the house for 2 men to eat for a week?

Too many unanswered questions....

What happened after that Walmart video?

So, LE my question is - DID THE TRACKING DOGS PICK UP DYLAN'S SCENT AT HIS DAD'S HOUSE??

And if NOT, well tell us what really happened, Mark.

 

[dlc]

Also, I a little confused about the family dynamics, if someone could help me clear that up.

1. How long were Mark & Elanie married? I know the divorce dragged out several years (7?) Anyone clear on how long they were separated before the divorce?

2. The kids. I know about Corey, Dylan, Nick and I believe we discovered a Mark, Jr. last night. I know that Dylan was the bio son of both ER & MR. I am unclear about Corey. I think Nick & Mark Jr. are the bio sons of Mark Sr. but unsure if they have the same mother. Any clues as to the ages or even birth order of those kids? (I am thinking Mark, Sr. --> Nick --> Corey --> Dylan.) Do I have any of that right?

3. Does anyone know how many times both ER & MR have been married to others? Also, have any of their ex-spouses spoken out? Do we know if there was violence or similar problems in those marriages?

I just posted this in response to someone else's post, but I do think the article with Dylan's half-brother should be reread, as it mentions the issues he had with his father as well. Not meaning that MR is guilty of anything; just that he seemed to have issues with managing his relationships with his sons.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Another good article from 2002: Non-family Abducted Children: National Estimates and
Characteristics.

Note the six Tables at the bottom.

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/ojjdp/196467.pdf

Thank you for this info,TXJan!

I am still still a bit surprised when I read that the ages of abductors are relatively young... Considering the stereotype I grew up with of "The dirty old man"...

Also interesting was the breakdown of numbers of abductions by the four seasons!

:seeya:

 

[TxJan1971]

Thank you for this info,TXJan!

I am still still a bit surprised when I read that the ages of abductors are relatively young... Considering the stereotype I grew up with of "The dirty old man"...

Also interesting was the breakdown of numbers of abductions by the four seasons!

:seeya:

You're welcome. Someone had just asked a question about possible abduction etc. and statistics, etc. and I just did some googling... Glad to be of help.

 

[shefner]

The bottom line is -

Dylan has not been seen for 21 days
He was last seen in a Walmart video
It is very, very possible that he did NOT want to make this trip to see his dad - he wanted to see his friends - he had made plans to see his friends Sunday evening
He lived in the same town as his dad (until July 2012) and had very minimal interaction or contact with his dad the past 3 years or longer
On November 18 he was put on a plane to spend a whole week with pretty much a stranger with anger issues
It wouldn't be hard for me to imagine that Dylan also had some pent-up anger against his dad
No activity on phone since around 8 pm Sunday night
No online activity
No witness (other than dad) that Dylan even made it to the remote location of his dad's place
Dad arrived at his home on Saturday or before (Dylan's plan got delayed until Sunday) - did anyone see him/talk to him/what was he doing? If he was already at the airport waiting on Dylan's plane on Saturday, why didn't he do the major part of his grocery shopping then? Was there enough food in the house for 2 men to eat for a week?

Too many unanswered questions....

What happened after that Walmart video?

So, LE my question is - DID THE TRACKING DOGS PICK UP DYLAN'S SCENT AT HIS DAD'S HOUSE??

And if NOT, well tell us what really happened, Mark.

:goodpost::clap:

 

[katydid23]

I don't really mind this theory, except that it would require MR to have the foresight to remove clothing from the backpack (and possibly an iPod-haven't determined yet that it was Dylan's) before disposing of the remains and backpack. Also, I would think we would've had a cadaver dog hit on the truck. JMO

I am still very unclear on the clothing that was supposedly left behind by Dylan.
ER was not aware of any clothing left behind by him. It makes me wonder if maybe that clothing was left over from September's visit.

The cadaver dog is a very good question. It is possible that he was unconscious from a head blow, and not dead. But Dad thought he was and took his to be hidden when he realized the truth. Then what? Could he really be cold blooded enought to finish him off? That is hard to believe.

 

[LotusPawprint]

Great post; thank you.

I think the article about Dylan's stepbrother is also important (for some reason my "search" feature isn't working?). It's the one with the picture of him with his new baby. IMO, it's important because the stepbrother talks about the broken relationship _he_ had with his father, and kind of cools (IMO) the speculation by some that Mrs. Redwine is responsible for the strained relationships between Dylan, Corey, and Mr. Redwine. This young man was from a different marriage.

Again, great post. How awful.

With the search efforts intensifying, Nick said the most difficult part is the scrutiny involving his estranged father, with whom he had a fragmented childhood.

“I’m trying to find out who my father is as I try to deal with the loss of a brother,” he said.

http://news.gcu.edu/2012/12/search-continues-for-13-year-old-brother-of-gcu-enrollment-counselor/

 

[mck16]

I just posted this in response to someone else's post, but I do think the article with Dylan's stepbrother should be reread, as it mentions the issues he had with his father as well. Not meaning that MR is guilty of anything; just that he seemed to have issues with managing his relationships with his sons.

Where is this article? do you have a link? tia