CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #13

[Ransom]

It seems to include everything that has been reported since Dylan went missing. What is opinionated about a document with supporting links, etc.?

Leaving out links that don't support a "theory". Stating only one side, etc. IMO.

Our poster here (TxJan) did a great job.

 

[cluciano63]

LE has said this could be an abduction from the earliest days. I don't see that the statement posted recently is anything new.

 

[vasportsmom]

Is this timeline going in the first post of each thread? I need to see a link and check it out.....
Thank you Tx for doing the timeline work!!

Here is the link. The DropBox is my personal one but the work is all TxJan1971's

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zyp4517k6z77s2f/Dylan Timeline Final.doc


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[PaulR]

I thought that info came from his X wife. Have not seen it in MSM. Doesn't mean it isn't there, I just haven't seen it. jmo

One MSM article mentions it, it was published yesterday. I haven't seen any other article stating this, which is why I'm concerned that this may be lazy reporting. It's not the first time we've seen it in this case.

 

[cfreyja23]

I bolded it for a reason...

The FBI should be asking for your resume.

 

[DylansMom34]

Leaving out links that don't support a "theory". Stating only one side, etc. IMO.

Our poster here (TxJan) did a great job.

I totally agree! It is TxJan's document I was talking about. If there is some other document, I guess I haven't seen it. The one that TxJan created seems very complete and impartial.

 

[TxJan1971]

Is this timeline going in the first post of each thread? I need to see a link and check it out.....
Thank you Tx for doing the timeline work!!

VASportsmom uploaded it for me to docstop but it probably would be a good idea to put it in the first thread. I just don't know how....

I'm about to upload an updated version in the next 5 minutes so it may be unavailable in docstop. I think the link to it was posted previously if you don't have it.

 

[katydid23]

1. He planned to buy a new battery.
2. Why would he call his mom to tell her his cell was broken?
3. How could he call his friends?
4. Maybe he knew his mom's number but why would he call her just to tell her his cell was broken? or email her?
5. And because of the fractured relationship with his dad he probably did not know his cell number.

ER had said that Dylan hated his flip phone and wanted a new smart phone. I bet he would have called her to say it was dead.

My DD used to call me instantly when her cheap cell phones died, just to tell me that she NEEDED a new phone.

It just doesnt make sense to me that coincidentally, his cell died on the very day he went missing. jmo

 

[Angelonline]

That is what I was afraid of. so how accurate is it.. Is it factual or opinionated? Just asking not trying to be an SA.

Go check it out. It doesn't lean either way it just gives a timeline based on all msm reports. It has links and quotes from each. The timeline author's opinions are not included or even hinted at.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Woohoo! Thank you Beach. I was about to risk a mod smack just to share TxJan's doc because it kicks butt and everyone should get to see it.

THIS IS NOT MY WORK. ALL CREDIT (AND THERE SHOULD BE TONS) GOES TO TXJAN1971.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zyp4517k6z77s2f/Dylan Timeline Final.doc


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Absolutely Incredible:rocker::great::rocker::great::great:!!!!

 

[vasportsmom]

I moved the link to TxJan1971's timeline over to the media thread so it will be easier to find. Hopefully we can get a mod to start linking it in the first post instead of my older timeline.

Here is the link one more time

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zyp4517k6z77s2f/Dylan Timeline Final.doc


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[mmmagique]

It was documented his wife said that. Both RO were dismissed in Dec. 2008.

I believe I said that his wife claimed it in court. Whether true or not, it has been alleged. (and long before Dylan disappeared)

 

[katydid23]

I asked earlier too, and never heard... Can you guys tell me a case where a parent killed a teenage child without being overt about it in the form of murder-suicide or taking the kids off From the other parent overtly and creating some sort of manhunt?

I am not the expert most of you are, and I can't seem to find a case such as that. Most i am finding are to do with kids under the teen years. Honestly asking, I am sure such exists- it's not a sarcastic challenge

According to google, 1.3 million kids go missing every year. How many of them were actually victims of family members? I am not sure we would ever know that answer.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_kids_runaway_in_a_year

 

[cfreyja23]

This is just the point. The parents had shared custody for years, the divorce was 5 years ago. The custody had changed recently due to the mom moving several hours away. WHY would he have a motive to murder his son? It makes no sense!

All this talk of him having problems dealing with his ex moving on with her life is only speculation, it's not fact. They both admit they don't see eye-to-eye, but how many divorced couples do? If they all got along, they wouldn't be getting a divorce!

There is a history of violence but not towards his kids, only of his older son beating him up. Many men will hit and beat their wives but treat their children very well and would never dream of hurting one.

I don't get why the man would have any motive, that's all. Did he ever pursue getting full custody of Dylan?? Since he works out of town a lot, would he even want to have him there full time? It's not making sense to me.

I could tell you of hundreds of stories of batterers who don't physically abuse their kids until they get old enough to really talk back. Though not everyone agrees, IMO abusing a spouse in front of your children (or at least where the child knows about it) is, in itself, abusive to the child. Those children tend to grow up being aggressive themselves (as it appears Corey and Dylan may have become). As ER said herself, if Dylan mouthed off to his father, who knows how someone with a volatile temper would respond? Especially someone who paid so much in attorneys fees to end up with visitation with a child who was unhappy to being visiting his dad.

 

[mck16]

ER had said that Dylan hated his flip phone and wanted a new smart phone. I bet he would have called her to say it was dead.

My DD used to call me instantly when her cheap cell phones died, just to tell me that she NEEDED a new phone.

It just doesnt make sense to me that coincidentally, his cell died on the very day he went missing. jmo

I have no idea what happended, I was just throwing out other possibilities. There are other explanations as to what could have happened and they don't point to a father killing his son. These are the ones I want to dwell on. jmo

 

[scorekeeper]

I wonder if Dylan ever used the internet/computer at dad's place?
Did anyone go back and see if he used the computer during his visit in September? Did he make any posts to his FB?

TIA

(and no I don't use FB...)

 

[TxJan1971]

The FBI should be asking for your resume.

I'd probably take them up on it... :floorlaugh:

 

[Confusion]

I wish I had TxJan1971's motivation, but I'm afraid it's not one of my strengths. I did some of MR's quotes/comments, but have to read through so many articles to find when and where he said them, I'm already needing a break. Since there may be something that TxJan1971 missed (not likely though), I'll post what I have done. It's not all quotes, but it's things he's told LE or the press and which things have been verified. I think I've included the sources for everything. I did try to avoid any mention of Elaine so I'm hoping there's none of the he said-she said in here. Thanks.


He picked Dylan up at the airport, went to Walmart for groceries, stopped at McDonald's for food(?), and then started home. All confirmed except the trip home. http://www.canoncitydailyrecord.com/ci_22110078/dad-its-wait-wonder

Dylan asked to go to Bayfield to see friends that night, and was told to wait until morning. http://www.canoncitydailyrecord.com/ci_22110078/dad-its-wait-wonder

Dylan sent a text to his friend to tell him about the change. Confirmed http://www.canoncitydailyrecord.com/ci_22110078/dad-its-wait-wonder

Dylan had been up late the night before and was tired. Confirmed http://www.canoncitydailyrecord.com/ci_22110078/dad-its-wait-wonder

They got home, Dylan laid on the couch (I believe he said to watch tv, but I could be mistaken) and fell asleep shortly after getting home.

~6:00? Mark got up and attempted to wake Dylan, by making noise. I don't believe he ever actually stated the time that he got up, but he had planned to leave by 6:30 http://www.canoncitydailyrecord.com/ci_22110078/dad-its-wait-wonder

7:30 Mark nudged Dylan and said he'd have to get up now if he wanted to go. Dylan didn't want to get up. Mark said he was leaving and would be back around 11, and would take him to Bayfield then. Dylan acknowledge what he said and went back to sleep.

7:30-11:30 Mark drove to Durango, had an appointment with an attorney, dropped some papers off at work and ran a few other errands. Confirmed http://kdvr.com/2012/11/20/officials-looking-for-missing-teen-dylan-redwine-near-durango/

11:30 Mark returned home and found a cereal bowl by the sink, blankets and a few pieces of clothing on the couch, the tv on Nickelodeon, and Dylan gone. http://www.canoncitydailyrecord.com/ci_22110078/dad-its-wait-wonder

At some point he looked around and found Dylan's fishing pole missing. It's never been said when or why he noticed.

He tried sending texts to Dylan several times after returning home, but received no responses. Would be confirmed by phone records and Mark's phone. http://www.canoncitydailyrecord.com/ci_22110078/dad-its-wait-wonder

He looked around the area for him, but hasn't really said what areas he looked.

He went to Dylan's friend in Vallecita to see if Dylan was there. http://www.canoncitydailyrecord.com/ci_22110078/dad-its-wait-wonder

When he wasn't there, he drove to Bayfield to see if he was at another friend's house.
http://kdvr.com/2012/11/20/officials-looking-for-missing-teen-dylan-redwine-near-durango/

At ~4:15 he was told that nobody had seen or heard from Dylan all day. It's confusing what happened next. He may have just gone home, searched more, or stayed there. http://www.canoncitydailyrecord.com/ci_22110078/dad-its-wait-wonder

Somewhere between 4:30 and 5:00 He sent a text to Elaine asking if she'd seen Dylan. She was informed at this time he was missing. Confirmed http://www.canoncitydailyrecord.com/ci_22110078/dad-its-wait-wonder

After talking to Elaine, he went to the Marshall's office and reported him missing. It has been confirmed that he reported him missing, but not how. http://www.canoncitydailyrecord.com/ci_22110078/dad-its-wait-wonder


“We've got to put our faith in God,” Mark Redwine said Sunday morning. “I'm trying to stay strong and not lose my faith.”
Mark Redwine said in a telephone interview that “it's been very difficult” dealing with Dylan's disappearance sometime the morning of Nov. 19. “I'm not eating or sleeping,” he said.
Mark Redwine said he had some frustrations about the whole event, the first being what happened to Dylan.
“We're all searching for that answer,” he said.
“I think we're all frustrated,” including the community, he added. He said in the last day or two he has been trying to contact the task force for updates but has received no response.
Mark Redwine said he was told there's an area of Vallecito Reservoir that's “of interest” to law enforcement
“I tend to be more of a private person,” he explained. “I keep things bottled up inside.”
“Fathers and mothers do what we got to do” to support their families, even if that means long-distance jobs, Redwine said.
He specifically came back Nov. 17 to pick up Dylan at the airport. But Redwine said there had been some mechanical problem with the plane, so Dylan's mother rescheduled for Dylan to fly in Sunday evening.
“I've always said I'm, a city boy,” Redwine said. “It takes awhile getting used to.”
http://durangoherald.com/article/20121203/NEWS01/121209900/Family-keeps-faith-through-adverse-time--


Dylan wouldn't have run away: He was too happy, his father said,
Mark said he learned from some of Dylan's friends in the wake of the disappearance that his son had been known to hitchhike.
"His priority was pretty much with his friends, so I wasn't alarmed," Mark said.
Mark wonders whether Dylan became impatient and hitchhiked. "I can't quite wrap my mind around that yet," he said.
"Reality starting to set in"
"I just want my son back," he said. "I know it's crossing all our minds — reality is starting to set in that that may not be a possibility."
http://www.canoncitydailyrecord.com/ci_22110078/dad-its-wait-wonder


“He has nothing and no one to run away from,” Mark Redwine said.
http://durangoherald.com/article/20...ment-says-missing-teenager-did-not-run-away--


"That boy was my whole world," he told the crowd. "I would do anything to find
him. You don't know how much I love that boy."
Mark Redwine, who said he arrived late because he didn’t know about the vigil, obliquely responded to those comments during his speech.
"Unfortunately, his mother and I don't see eye to eye," he said. "I wish it could be different because at a time like this, we should be together."
http://www.denverpost.com/recommended/ci_22083134#ixzz2Eaau7PMO

 

[dlc]

Stepbrother? Do you mean the son of Mark's by another woman? He would be a half-brother to Dylan, not stepbrother, if they share the same dad.

Beach, the way I understand it is, Cory and Dylan were born to Mark and Elaine, so they are full brothers. I think Cory's last name is Redwine.

Thank you. I posted about being in error - now I'll go back and fix the post, which I didn't think to do.

 

[mrsu]

I don't understand the roundabout discussion about the phone? I think it's obvious the battery was not fried and the phone didn't go kaput. Mark HIMSELF said he tried texting Dylan on Monday to see where he was. Obviously the phone hadn't died.