CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #13

[IHAVENOCLUE]

You take your time and update until your heart is content. I will check back as often as you ask me to.


All I ask is that you please not be shy and ever keep anything as valuable as that so secret again! LOL

I've seen a lot of timelines in my years here but yours may be the very best one I have ever seen! Complete with links and cites. Absolutely invaluable!

I could have made a timeline just like that , too, if I had wanted to....

NOT!!!!!!!!:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[Ransom]

Some trucks do have seats behind the regular seats, they're called crew cab trucks. Depending on the size of the truck, some of them are not much more than jump seats but some trucks have back seats that are almost full sized. But even if it was a standard pickup, there is sometimes room to stash a backpack behind the seat. But I don't see where this has much to do with what happened.

Also, how do you know that Mark didn't want Dylan texting or that he would reach across and grab the phone? This is pure speculation.
I know a little about deductive reasoning, I do it all the time, but it should be based on facts. These are not facts.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...edwines-father-does-not-call-father-a-suspect

at about :44 - crew cab truck = back seat.

 

[The Cheese]

That's true. I was thinking more along the lines of the overnight hours or during anytime when RSO's might not be obligated to check in or have receipts of where they were or who they were with.

Either way, I know what you mean and I'll bet they are more conscientious than your average Joe, or in this case your average MR, who wouldn't have a reason to give ones' self an alibi or leave a papertrail overnight.

However, LE was still able to make the statement they made to the public which essentially assures the community that there isn't an RSO running around abducting children, and with what is alot of focus on the last person to be with Dylan they're unable to make that same exclusion on MR.

Regarding the last paragraph - I wanted to point out that the police said, in the statement you refer to here, that they don't "believe" a SO is abducting kids, rather than that there's a SO abducting kids.

Phippen wanted to reassure residents that the Sheriff’s Office “does not believe there is a sex offender abducting children” from the area.

 

[PaulR]

I think it's possible that they would. A member of LE was with each team that searched. I know I'm going to regret asking this because I'm sure there is an obvious answer, but how exactly would he contaminate evidence? The presence of his DNA on any items found would not be surprising. Dylan was with him, right? PaulR, be nice in your response, K? :seeya:

Take the hypothetical case that MR had an argument with Dylan and threw his cell phone out the window. MR's fingerprints would be on the phone, and presumably that would be the only way his fingerprints would be present.

Then MR is searching and finds the phone. If he grabs it, then his fingerprints are now on the phone and it would be difficult/impossible to tell whether the prints are because he found the phone searching or because he grabbed the phone during an argument.

Nice enough? :seeya:

 

[absentia]

I wish I had TxJan1971's motivation, but I'm afraid it's not one of my strengths. I did some of MR's quotes/comments, but have to read through so many articles to find when and where he said them, I'm already needing a break. Since there may be something that TxJan1971 missed (not likely though), I'll post what I have done. It's not all quotes, but it's things he's told LE or the press and which things have been verified. I think I've included the sources for everything. I did try to avoid any mention of Elaine so I'm hoping there's none of the he said-she said in here. Thanks.


He picked Dylan up at the airport, went to Walmart for groceries, stopped at McDonald's for food(?), and then started home. All confirmed except the trip home. http://www.canoncitydailyrecord.com/ci_22110078/dad-its-wait-wonder

Dylan asked to go to Bayfield to see friends that night, and was told to wait until morning. http://www.canoncitydailyrecord.com/ci_22110078/dad-its-wait-wonder

Dylan sent a text to his friend to tell him about the change. Confirmed http://www.canoncitydailyrecord.com/ci_22110078/dad-its-wait-wonder

Dylan had been up late the night before and was tired. Confirmed http://www.canoncitydailyrecord.com/ci_22110078/dad-its-wait-wonder

They got home, Dylan laid on the couch (I believe he said to watch tv, but I could be mistaken) and fell asleep shortly after getting home.

~6:00? Mark got up and attempted to wake Dylan, by making noise. I don't believe he ever actually stated the time that he got up, but he had planned to leave by 6:30 http://www.canoncitydailyrecord.com/ci_22110078/dad-its-wait-wonder

7:30 Mark nudged Dylan and said he'd have to get up now if he wanted to go. Dylan didn't want to get up. Mark said he was leaving and would be back around 11, and would take him to Bayfield then. Dylan acknowledge what he said and went back to sleep.

7:30-11:30 Mark drove to Durango, had an appointment with an attorney, dropped some papers off at work and ran a few other errands. Confirmed http://kdvr.com/2012/11/20/officials-looking-for-missing-teen-dylan-redwine-near-durango/

11:30 Mark returned home and found a cereal bowl by the sink, blankets and a few pieces of clothing on the couch, the tv on Nickelodeon, and Dylan gone. http://www.canoncitydailyrecord.com/ci_22110078/dad-its-wait-wonder

At some point he looked around and found Dylan's fishing pole missing. It's never been said when or why he noticed.

He tried sending texts to Dylan several times after returning home, but received no responses. Would be confirmed by phone records and Mark's phone. http://www.canoncitydailyrecord.com/ci_22110078/dad-its-wait-wonder

He looked around the area for him, but hasn't really said what areas he looked.

He went to Dylan's friend in Vallecita to see if Dylan was there. http://www.canoncitydailyrecord.com/ci_22110078/dad-its-wait-wonder

When he wasn't there, he drove to Bayfield to see if he was at another friend's house.
http://kdvr.com/2012/11/20/officials-looking-for-missing-teen-dylan-redwine-near-durango/

At ~4:15 he was told that nobody had seen or heard from Dylan all day. It's confusing what happened next. He may have just gone home, searched more, or stayed there. http://www.canoncitydailyrecord.com/ci_22110078/dad-its-wait-wonder

Somewhere between 4:30 and 5:00 He sent a text to Elaine asking if she'd seen Dylan. She was informed at this time he was missing. Confirmed http://www.canoncitydailyrecord.com/ci_22110078/dad-its-wait-wonder

After talking to Elaine, he went to the Marshall's office and reported him missing. It has been confirmed that he reported him missing, but not how. http://www.canoncitydailyrecord.com/ci_22110078/dad-its-wait-wonder


“We've got to put our faith in God,” Mark Redwine said Sunday morning. “I'm trying to stay strong and not lose my faith.”
Mark Redwine said in a telephone interview that “it's been very difficult” dealing with Dylan's disappearance sometime the morning of Nov. 19. “I'm not eating or sleeping,” he said.
Mark Redwine said he had some frustrations about the whole event, the first being what happened to Dylan.
“We're all searching for that answer,” he said.
“I think we're all frustrated,” including the community, he added. He said in the last day or two he has been trying to contact the task force for updates but has received no response.
Mark Redwine said he was told there's an area of Vallecito Reservoir that's “of interest” to law enforcement
“I tend to be more of a private person,” he explained. “I keep things bottled up inside.”
“Fathers and mothers do what we got to do” to support their families, even if that means long-distance jobs, Redwine said.
He specifically came back Nov. 17 to pick up Dylan at the airport. But Redwine said there had been some mechanical problem with the plane, so Dylan's mother rescheduled for Dylan to fly in Sunday evening.
“I've always said I'm, a city boy,” Redwine said. “It takes awhile getting used to.”
http://durangoherald.com/article/20121203/NEWS01/121209900/Family-keeps-faith-through-adverse-time--


Dylan wouldn't have run away: He was too happy, his father said,
Mark said he learned from some of Dylan's friends in the wake of the disappearance that his son had been known to hitchhike.
"His priority was pretty much with his friends, so I wasn't alarmed," Mark said.
Mark wonders whether Dylan became impatient and hitchhiked. "I can't quite wrap my mind around that yet," he said.
"Reality starting to set in"
"I just want my son back," he said. "I know it's crossing all our minds — reality is starting to set in that that may not be a possibility."
http://www.canoncitydailyrecord.com/ci_22110078/dad-its-wait-wonder


“He has nothing and no one to run away from,” Mark Redwine said.
http://durangoherald.com/article/20...ment-says-missing-teenager-did-not-run-away--


"That boy was my whole world," he told the crowd. "I would do anything to find
him. You don't know how much I love that boy."
Mark Redwine, who said he arrived late because he didn’t know about the vigil, obliquely responded to those comments during his speech.
"Unfortunately, his mother and I don't see eye to eye," he said. "I wish it could be different because at a time like this, we should be together."
http://www.denverpost.com/recommended/ci_22083134#ixzz2Eaau7PMO

very nice work. But, is it clear if DR was awake or asleep when MR left to do errands? Do we know for sure if DR was "out like a light" the whole time, or at some point did he wake up enough to tell MR he wanted to sleep and acknowledged MR would be back at 11:30?

 

[Passin' Me By]

The FBI should be asking for your resume.

Superb timeline Tx! Ty.

Little o/t here, but my friend's sister's boyfriend (swear not a Ferris Bueller story) was being watched by the police for illegal activities. After his arrest, the officers told him they had followed him everywhere. They were even standing in line behind him while he purchased groceries! This guy had no clue whatsoever that he was being watched..let alone leading the police everywhere he went. My point of this o/t story is that the FBI, CBI and LE are all highly trained professionals. IMO, I don't think LE would open a tip-line if they felt something occurred besides an abduction.

 

[cluciano63]

I don't think LE has any idea what happened to Dylan. I also think they waited far too long to do a complete search of the house.

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

My #1 question is:
MR said that DR was "out like a light" and he couldn't rouse him. BUT, he also said that he told DR at 7:30AM that he'd be back at 11:30 and Dylan said he didn't want to get up.
Is it just me or is that an inconsistency?
So, was he able to rouse DR or not? Was DR unresponsive the whole time or not?
Was DR out cold at 6:30AM but communicative at 7:30AM?

Jmo, out like a light means he fell asleep right away.

 

[PaulR]

He said that Dylan's been missing 10 days. I wonder if that was his error or the reporter's error. Dylan has been missing 20/21 days.

That was a quote from a volunteer, not actually something the reporter said.

 

[jjenny]

very nice work. But, is it clear if DR was awake or asleep when MR left to do errands? Do we know for sure if DR was "out like a light" the whole time, or at some point did he wake up enough to tell MR he wanted to sleep and acknowledged MR would be back at 11:30?

Hard to say based on MR's statements. His statements to me appear to be conflicting. He is quoted saying DR was "out like a light" but he also claimed that he communicated with DR that morning.

 

[vasportsmom]

Confusion (the poster, not my state of mind),

Would you be willing to send me your list in a doc format and have it uploaded to the DropBox? If we put all our docs in one place and the links to the media thread and/or first post it might be easier for everyone to find what they are looking for.

If anyone else wants to upload info I'm willing to share my email so you can send it to me and have me upload it or I will share my DropBox login info for the account so you can upload yourself.


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[Sigh Sister]

Take the hypothetical case that MR had an argument with Dylan and threw his cell phone out the window. MR's fingerprints would be on the phone, and presumably that would be the only way his fingerprints would be present.

Then MR is searching and finds the phone. If he grabs it, then his fingerprints are now on the phone and it would be difficult/impossible to tell whether the prints are because he found the phone searching or because he grabbed the phone during an argument.

Nice enough? :seeya:

I knew there would be an obvious answer. It was very nice, but I can feel you rolling your eyes.:crazy:

 

[Dee10]

I asked earlier too, and never heard... Can you guys tell me a case where a parent killed a teenage child without being overt about it in the form of murder-suicide or taking the kids off From the other parent overtly and creating some sort of manhunt?

I am not the expert most of you are, and I can't seem to find a case such as that. Most i am finding are to do with kids under the teen years. Honestly asking, I am sure such exists- it's not a sarcastic challenge

Yes, Karissa Boudreau. She was 12 going on 13. Mom strangled her, called police that she was missing. Collected from fundraisers, went to bars every night, bought lobster, etc. She was later convicted & got life. This was about 4 years ago.

ETA - her body was found about 2 weeks later thrown down an embankment. Her pants had been pulled down. No motive was ever determined.

 

[absentia]

Regarding the last paragraph - I wanted to point out that the police said, in the statement you refer to here, that they don't "believe" a SO is abducting kids, rather than that there's a SO abducting kids.

Phippen wanted to reassure residents that the Sheriff’s Office “does not believe there is a sex offender abducting children” from the area.

from the news report:
"For the tight-knit town that now has posters up everywhere, the thought of an abduction was completely unexpected, yet, investigators told Action 7 News that's exactly what they think happened."

Read more: http://www.koat.com/news/new-mexico...17707274/-/pj5977z/-/index.html#ixzz2EamiChND

so it's not a definitive statement that LE thinks it's an abduction, but it sounds like they do. But there's no source, so who knows, really.

 

[Ransom]

I think it's possible that they would. A member of LE was with each team that searched. I know I'm going to regret asking this because I'm sure there is an obvious answer, but how exactly would he contaminate evidence? The presence of his DNA on any items found would not be surprising. Dylan was with him, right? PaulR, be nice in your response, K? :seeya:

You spot something. Run and pick it up. Your fingerprints are now on it and contaminated what "might" be evidence. For example. Not PaulR obviously. lol.

 

[absentia]

Hard to say based on MR's statements. His statements to me appear to be conflicting. He is quoted saying DR was "out like a light" but he also claimed that he communicated with DR that morning.

right. that's what's weird. inconsistent, right?

 

[Abby Normal Again]

According to google, 1.3 million kids go missing every year. How many of them were actually victims of family members? I am not sure we would ever know that answer.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_kids_runaway_in_a_year

I understand that. I am asking about data already collected. There is no way to interpret unsolved cases, but we can establish some norms via solved cases.

 

[jjenny]

I don't think LE has any idea what happened to Dylan. I also think they waited far too long to do a complete search of the house.

Well, if they are saying they don't believe that sex offender is abducting children from the area, and also think this could be an abduction, then I tend to agree. A stranger will not abduct a 13 year old if they want a child to raise. Since there were no ransom demands, this is not an abduction for ransom. Who will abduct a 13 year old if not a sex offender?
So, really they appear to have no clue.

 

[cluciano63]

from the news report:
"For the tight-knit town that now has posters up everywhere, the thought of an abduction was completely unexpected, yet, investigators told Action 7 News that's exactly what they think happened."

Read more: http://www.koat.com/news/new-mexico...17707274/-/pj5977z/-/index.html#ixzz2EamiChND

so it's not a definitive statement that LE thinks it's an abduction, but it sounds like they do. But there's no source, so who knows, really.

I would prefer to hear a quote from LE, not a reporter's summary.

Also, where is KOAT getting the "inconclusive" results of the LD test? From Nancy Grace?

 

[Confusion]

Yes, this process is called deductive reasoning. In science, there are two ways of arriving at a conclusion: deductive reasoning and inductive reasoning.

Deductive reasoning happens when a researcher works from the more general information to the more specific. Sometimes this is called the “top-down” approach because the researcher starts at the top with a very broad spectrum of information and they work their way down to a specific conclusion.

It's like using the "what if" function in Excel to come to a reasonable and logical conclusion.

There is no "back seat" in a truck so Dylan likely left his backpack sitting either on the floor or seat on the passenger's side of the truck when he was in the stores with his dad so it makes sense that he would take his phone out of his backpack and start texting if he hadn't texted his mother or friend before they headed home.

Mark was sitting within arm's reach of his son in the cab of the truck so if he didn't want his son texting, he would just grab it out of his hands.

At 8 pm, the cell phone was shut off and MR didn't say why Dylan's phone was shut off and so far I have no reason to believe Dylan slept at his dad's Sunday night. JMO

http://sociology.about.com/od/Research/a/Deductive-Reasoning-Versus-Inductive-Reasoning.htm

I don't want to get into a discussion about logic and critical thinking, but that is NOT deductive reasoning. (and many trucks do have back seats!)