CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #13

[TxLady2]

But I don't understand why he wouldn't just plug his cell into the charger, if it was dead.

And I really don't understand why it would be dead. He was on the plane, where he couldnt use it. And we have been told about a couple of calls/texts he made after dad picked him up, an d that's it. Flip phones can last pretty long on a charged battery, and I am pretty sure he left home with a full battery because his mom would make sure it was charged up, since he would be traveling alone. jmo

But even if it was dead, he had a charger. And I highly doubt that he was too tired to at least plug in his cell before he fell asleep.

Not disagreeing with you here, you make some good points, but how can you be "pretty sure" he left home with a full battery? How can you be sure his mother would have made sure he had charged it? And how can you be sure he would have thought to put it on the charger before he went to sleep? 13 y.o.'s are often not the most responsible people.

We all forget things sometimes. I've left for a trip and got halfway there only to remember I didn't take my curling iron, or something else. Stuff happens.

As to flip phones being able to hold a charge for a long time, what's a long time? I've had two... the first one would hold a charge for two days or more. This one will start going down within 12 hours of when I charged it, even when I haven't used it much. And I found out recently that with some phones, if you overcharge them, the battery goes down faster. Don't ask me why, I have no idea.

Yes, the phone not being used is troublesome. But maybe he was so tired, he fell asleep and forgot to put it on the charger, or he didn't feel like digging around in his backpack for it. We just don't know.

The point is, we can't assume facts that are not in evidence, as they say in court.

 

[Tennlyn]

They haven't said they are now focusing on abduction.

I'm so confused. Just nevermind me.

 

[Ransom]

right. that's what's weird. inconsistent, right?

Depends on how "we" read things. At 6:30 ... out like a light. Leaving at 7:30 (1 hour later) acknowledged.

Happened here this a.m. I wasn't about to get up when DH tried to awake me because I was supposed to do something. If my hands weren't under the covers, I would have thrown something at him. lol.

 

[The Cheese]

We have previous quotes where LE has said they do not think Dylan's disappearance was an abduction...now they are saying that it might have been. Just confusing that's all. If it was an abduction, then maybe Dylan has a chance to be alive. That would be wonderful...and a best case scenario in my book.

I pay very close attention to what the police say, and I haven't seen them state they don't think Dylan's disappearance was an abduction. In fact, they've stated repeatedly that abduction was one of the scenarios they're looking at.

I would be interested in reading or listening to where they've said they don't think that.

 

[Abby Normal Again]

Double post from phone! Sorry

 

[cfreyja23]

Superb timeline Tx! Ty.

Little o/t here, but my friend's sister's boyfriend (swear not a Ferris Bueller story) was being watched by the police for illegal activities. After his arrest, the officers told him they had followed him everywhere. They were even standing in line behind him while he purchased groceries! This guy had no clue whatsoever that he was being watched..let alone leading the police everywhere he went. My point of this o/t story is that the FBI, CBI and LE are all highly trained professionals. IMO, I don't think LE would open a tip-line if they felt something occurred besides an abduction.

But even if it wasn't an abduction by a stranger, tipsters could still provide useful information: maybe Dylan said something ominous to a friend who wants to remain anonymous, perhaps the perp confesses to someone, maybe someone saw weird behavior by Dylan or his dad at the McDonalds. I would think LE would want to keep a line open for any possibilities. I see what you mean, though.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Woohoo! Thank you Beach. I was about to risk a mod smack just to share TxJan's doc because it kicks butt and everyone should get to see it.

THIS IS NOT MY WORK. ALL CREDIT (AND THERE SHOULD BE TONS) GOES TO TXJAN1971.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zyp4517k6z77s2f/Dylan Timeline Final.doc


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Umm... Err.... TXJan..... I think I saw a typo.....

On line 12,342.... The comma should be a period!...:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[vasportsmom]

TxJan's timeline has been updated in DropBox if you want to check it out. If anyone else has docs they would be willing to add just give me a yell.


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[jjenny]

I would prefer to hear a quote from LE, not a reporter's summary.

Also, where is KOAT getting the "inconclusive" results of the LD test? From Nancy Grace?

Agreed. We don't know where this reporter got an idea of LD test (no source) and how this reporter came up with the idea that abduction is what authorities believe happened. When authorities says something, providing a direct quote is a good idea.

 

[Abby Normal Again]

Yes, Karissa Boudreau. She was 12 going on 13. Mom strangled her, called police that she was missing. Collected from fundraisers, went to bars every night, bought lobster, etc. She was later convicted & got life. This was about 4 years ago.

Ok! Thanks! So one so far, by a primary custody parent who wanted more freedom.

I want to see a precedent for what we are seeing here- non-custodial parent of teen who is sneaky about- and didn't just lose their sanity and go off. Falsifies abduction/etc. We are using data to show that stranger abductions are less common, so I want to apply that same data to how common THIS scenario has been in recent history.

Any more?

 

[cluciano63]

One of my problems with this case is that LE has put great weight on the fact that Dylan did not use his phone; it is not something we here decided. They used this fact to rule out running away, or an accidental injury/death where he is yet to be located.

So obviously they find it very significant that he did not use his phone after 8pm-ish on Sunday.

 

[mmmagique]

Take the hypothetical case that MR had an argument with Dylan and threw his cell phone out the window. MR's fingerprints would be on the phone, and presumably that would be the only way his fingerprints would be present.

Then MR is searching and finds the phone. If he grabs it, then his fingerprints are now on the phone and it would be difficult/impossible to tell whether the prints are because he found the phone searching or because he grabbed the phone during an argument.

Nice enough? :seeya:

There could be any number of innocent reasons his fingerprints could be on the phone.

He was probably instructed (as I imagine everyone is) if he finds anything to "just yell" and mark the area, so someone with the proper equipment (gloves and a plastic bag) can come over and gather the evidence.

It would also be HIGHLY unlikely for him to be assigned the exact spot a phone (or whatever other evidence) might land. (although arguably, of course, it could happen.)

 

[cluciano63]

Ok! Thanks! So one so far, by a primary custody parent who wanted more freedom.

I want to see a precedent for what we are seeing here- non-custodial parent of teen who is sneaky about- and didn't just lose their sanity and go off. Falsifies abduction/etc. We are using data to show that stranger abductions are less common, so I want to apply that same data to how common THIS scenario has been in recent history.

Any more?

Just look at all of the kids still missing, here on WS-how do we know what the circumstances really are in their cases? They could have all been killed by their parents and reported as abducted, for all we know.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Your timeline rocks! Everyone on this thread should read it and refer to it when links are asked for. Thank you!!

Can you provide a link for TXJan's time line please?...

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[Confusion]

very nice work. But, is it clear if DR was awake or asleep when MR left to do errands? Do we know for sure if DR was "out like a light" the whole time, or at some point did he wake up enough to tell MR he wanted to sleep and acknowledged MR would be back at 11:30?

They aren't mutually exclusive. Perhaps he was "out like a light" in the beginning, and eventually responded a bit and went back to sleep. I've only supplied the quotes, and confirmations when there are any. I'm not judging whether any statement is true or false. I hope that makes sense.

 

[cluciano63]

There could be any number of innocent reasons his fingerprints could be on the phone.

He was probably instructed (as I imagine everyone is) if he finds anything to "just yell" and mark the area, so someone with the proper equipment (gloves and a plastic bag) can come over and gather the evidence.

It would also be HIGHLY unlikely for him to be assigned the exact spot a phone (or whatever other evidence) might land. (although arguably, of course, it could happen.)

Since Dad is not been ruled out, perhaps LE wanted him on the search. They knew they could watch his movements and behavior and that he would not be left alone to wander. If they did not want him to search, they could have easily prevented it happening.

 

[TxLady2]

I don't think he had any motive to kill his son. I havent seen many posts saying that he set out intentionally to harm him. I think the question is about his temper. Was he volatile enough to blow up and injure his son, unintentionally?

When my cousin was about 14 he and his father got into a physical fight because of a lot of built up issues between them. His Dad was divorced and never showed him much attention and disappointed him many times. But finally, at the birthday party for dad's new kid, by his new wife, the dad got angry because my cousin would not call him dad. He called him by his first name. And he did that because he said his dad had never acted like ' a dad.' Anyway they came to blows, and luckily the people looking on were able to stop them quickly.

What if MR told Dylan to stop texting and he replied " Make me." ? Would MR grab the cell away from him?

Sure. But the post I was replying to was intimating that it could be a revenge killing to get back at the mom.

There could be bad blood between them, true. And it could have been as you said, just a sassy 13 y.o. boy smarting off and Dad lost his temper. I may have him pegged all wrong, but while I can see him grabbing the phone and chunking it, I can't see him hitting him hard enough to kill him and then covering it up. It would be difficult to hit a kid that size with a fist and kill them, all while driving down the road. A baby, yeah, not a bigger child. Not unless he had a tire iron in his hand. Oooohh, I don't even want to go there!

 

[vasportsmom]

Can you provide a link for TXJan's time line please?...

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zyp4517k6z77s2f/Dylan Timeline Final.doc


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[Passin' Me By]

But even if it wasn't an abduction by a stranger, tipsters could still provide useful information: maybe Dylan said something ominous to a friend who wants to remain anonymous, perhaps the perp confesses to someone, maybe someone saw weird behavior by Dylan or his dad at the McDonalds. I would think LE would want to keep a line open for any possibilities. I see what you mean, though.

I agree with your thinking, too. If LE opens a tip-line, it can be an anonymous communication of pertinent information. Great point.

 

[DylansMom34]

If all the cases of missing kids were alike, only one would need to be solved and all the others would fall into place. Dylan's case "sort of" reminds me of some other missing kids, but obviously every scenario and situation is different.

However, I will say that the cases that get to me the most are the ones, like this one, where I feel like it was likely someone close to the child who is ultimately responsible for whatever happened.