CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #13

[Psychic Sleuth]

I "think" he said something about he didn't understand why they didn't check the lake sooner since he told them his fishing pole was missing along with him...

JMO - not direct quote

But in another statement he said he didn't think Dylan would try to walk all the way to the lake?

 

[Abby Normal Again]

Hitching a ride or Hitchhiking can both have equally disastrous results.
The only difference is potentially the location. If "hitching a ride" it would most likely be with someone local. If "hitchhiking" it could be with anyone from any state...headed to any state. That was the only distinction I was attempting to make.

I had misunderstood you, thank you for expanding- and my apologies!

 

[Kamille]

The only scenario that seems to fit the circumstances here is not a stranger abduction or a random RSO.Imo, the scenario that fits the situation is if someone that Dylan recognized or was acquainted with, came by the home that morning. Maybe the realtor from the House For Sale, from across the street. Or a neighbor that knew his dad, and stopped by to check in and say hello. If dad worked out of town for long periods, he probably had someone nearby who checked on his property occasionally, or something like that.

But for Dylan to have everything in his backpack with him, I think he thought he was getting a ride to his friends in B-town. And if he was suddenly offered the opportunity for a quick ride, then I can justify his not calling anyone yet. Maybe he planned to do so on the way.

So I hope that LE has looked closely at all of the neighbors and friends of dads already. Even the kindly old neighbor and the local realtor and the friend who helps him stack the firewood.

Well if his phone was on, and he was supposed to meet his friends at 6:30am in the morning, and at least one has indicated that he called and texted all day, then he would have received a call or text before he left from the friend. It's still that phone thing that I can't get past. And we still haven't heard about why he would take his fishing pole. Although to be fair none of the young boys interviewed were asked about what their plans were for the day.

I certainly hope that MR has given LE the names of every person in the area who might have cause to drop in to his home and what his relationship is like with each and every one of his neighbours.

MOO

 

[princessk]

I just can't put together a scenario that doesn't involve an issue on Sunday night. That boy would NOT turn off his phone or let it go dead until the next morning. I just can't see it. I truly believe something happened to him that night. If his phone wasn't working, surely he would use the internet.

 

[tiredblondy]

Guys, if you google Dylan Redwine and go back to the earliest articles and read all of them up till now it can help put things in better perspective. At least it did for me. Be sure and read them in chronological order.

You can see how things started out, how behaviors changed over time and how many of the contradictions MR was accused of was just his trying to clarify things. You will see how ER backed down a bit and seems to be genuinely not so sure anymore that MR is responsible. (my opinion only)

Some of the things attributed here to MR have just not been true.

 

[vasportsmom]

I'm trying to find the link to the news article that was posted recently in which MR said that he had told LE from day one that the fishing pole was missing and didn't understand why they didn't check the lake first thing. He then went on to mention that he heard from friends that Dylan may have tried to hitch a ride and that he didn't think he was in the area and that he may have been abducted while doing this.

So from the get go, MR gave two alternate scenarios to LE of what may have happened. Each one very different as it doesn't explain why Dylan would have taken the fishing pole if he was hitching a ride into Bayfield. Unless the boys were planning on going fishing, which we haven't heard anything about. Or why he would have taken his backpack with everything in it to go fishing.

But he's also indicated that he didn't think Dylan would walk all the way to the lake, another contradiction but he doesn't know how 13yr old boys think. Although he does seem to know that his own 13yr old boy finds his friends to be of the utmost importance. Seems he was just throwing out ideas for LE in the beginning. If we are to believe that MR is somehow involved and that Dylan likely never made it to his home Sunday night, I guess I'd rule out the lake and would guess that Dylan is hidden somewhere in the area.

Now if we are to believe that Dylan was abducted while attempting to get to Bayfield, we'd have to believe that he wanted to take his fishing pole there for some reason and that the very first person to have come across him on the road was a predator because no one else appears to have come forward to say that they saw a boy walking along or hitch hiking on any of the roads in the area. That would be quite a stroke of good luck for a predator who was travelling in a remote area where there are likely few children out and about, especially on a Monday morning when there was no school. So you wouldn't think that this was a predator just travelling through the area trolling for children but rather a local unregistered SO who saw an opportunity and went for it. Which would also seem to indicate that Dylan is still somewhere in the area, hopefully being held alive in an even more remote location than MR's house. Or unfortunately deceased and in a location not far from where he was abducted.

I wonder why LE haven't done a surprise road block and check on a subsequent Monday morning to check on traffic coming in and out of the area during that 4hour window?

MOO

"I question why it has taken this long to start scouring the lake because from Day One they have known it is likely he had a fishing pole with him," Redwine, 52, said.

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22063185/sunday-search-launched-missing-boy-laplata-county


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[tiredblondy]

These are Dylan's friends talking in a phone interview to The Durango Herald 11-24-12

Ryan said he texted and called Dylan’s phone all day but didn’t get replies.

Ryan and friends Fernando Stubbs and Wesley Herring were part of a group of residents Saturday going door-to-door in Bayfield on County Road 502, handing out fliers with information about Dylan.

“We asked (residents) about any sheds or barns where he could take shelter,” Fernando said.

The boys said Dylan wasn’t shy about hitching rides.

“Honestly, I think he was walking into Bayfield and got taken away,” he said.

Wesley agreed.

“I don’t think he’s one to run away,” he said.

http://durangoherald.com/article/20.../0/20121019/Mystery-lingers-over-missing-teen

oops I see Ransom found it first. thanks Ransom. This is still not the article I was talking about but close.

I don't know if MR is responsible or not but I personally can see (based on experience with my son and daughter) Dylan sleeping in, waking up, eating some cereal then taking off down the road with his backpack and fishing pole. Not thinking a thing about danger.

Exactly like his friends said and just the right sicko on the road at the time offered him a ride and poof Dylan is gone.

I was married to a man once who would have handled it exactly like MR would have so based on my personal experience I'm still looking at all possibilities.

 

[NC Analyzer]

I just can't put together a scenario that doesn't involve an issue on Sunday night. That boy would NOT turn off his phone or let it go dead until the next morning. I just can't see it. I truly believe something happened to him that night. If his phone wasn't working, surely he would use the internet.

That's where I keep going as well.

I know there have been at least 100 excuses/reasons for Dylan's phone being off and probably an equal number of reasons/excuses for not using the computer, land line, dad's cell, whatever, but one of the first things ER stated about her son is that he is tech-savy. That speaks volumes to me. Tech savy kids are NEVER separated from their technology. It is with them from their first breath in the morning until they fall asleep at night. One way or another, that child would have been in touch with his friends. This is not only my opinion, but it is my experience with every tech-savy teen in my domain.

 

[margarita25]

respectfully snipped

He's got nothin' to say. Except his wife is a problem. And she has the answers. And everyone wants to listen to her

Unbelievable, isn't it? I anticipate future problems for him bigger than his "wife". :jail:

 

[TxJan1971]

I'm trying to find the link to the news article that was posted recently in which MR said that he had told LE from day one that the fishing pole was missing and didn't understand why they didn't check the lake first thing. He then went on to mention that he heard from friends that Dylan may have tried to hitch a ride and that he didn't think he was in the area and that he may have been abducted while doing this.

So from the get go, MR gave two alternate scenarios to LE of what may have happened. Each one very different as it doesn't explain why Dylan would have taken the fishing pole if he was hitching a ride into Bayfield. Unless the boys were planning on going fishing, which we haven't heard anything about. Or why he would have taken his backpack with everything in it to go fishing.

But he's also indicated that he didn't think Dylan would walk all the way to the lake, another contradiction but he doesn't know how 13yr old boys think. Although he does seem to know that his own 13yr old boy finds his friends to be of the utmost importance. Seems he was just throwing out ideas for LE in the beginning. If we are to believe that MR is somehow involved and that Dylan likely never made it to his home Sunday night, I guess I'd rule out the lake and would guess that Dylan is hidden somewhere in the area.

Now if we are to believe that Dylan was abducted while attempting to get to Bayfield, we'd have to believe that he wanted to take his fishing pole there for some reason and that the very first person to have come across him on the road was a predator because no one else appears to have come forward to say that they saw a boy walking along or hitch hiking on any of the roads in the area. That would be quite a stroke of good luck for a predator who was travelling in a remote area where there are likely few children out and about, especially on a Monday morning when there was no school. So you wouldn't think that this was a predator just travelling through the area trolling for children but rather a local unregistered SO who saw an opportunity and went for it. Which would also seem to indicate that Dylan is still somewhere in the area, hopefully being held alive in an even more remote location than MR's house. Or unfortunately deceased and in a location not far from where he was abducted.

I wonder why LE haven't done a surprise road block and check on a subsequent Monday morning to check on traffic coming in and out of the area during that 4hour window?

MOO

Think this is what you were referring to:
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22063185/sunday-search-launched-missing-boy-laplata-county#ixzz2DlzFLA4j

 

[princessk]

Guys, if you google Dylan Redwine and go back to the earliest articles and read all of them up till now it can help put things in better perspective. At least it did for me. Be sure and read them in chronological order.

You can see how things started out, how behaviors changed over time and how many of the contradictions MR was accused of was just his trying to clarify things. You will see how ER backed down a bit and seems to be genuinely not so sure anymore that MR is responsible. (my opinion only)

Some of the things attributed here to MR have just not been true.

Most people on this thread have been here a long time and seem to know what is going on here. I don't know what to think. I really think he disappeared sunday night and all things lead to dad......BUT I would have thought LE would be all over MR if they thought he was guilty. Not really sure what they have......nothing on MR, or trying to build a case against him before arrest. It's so hard to know this with as little info as we have on all of this.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Guys, if you google Dylan Redwine and go back to the earliest articles and read all of them up till now it can help put things in better perspective. At least it did for me. Be sure and read them in chronological order.

You can see how things started out, how behaviors changed over time and how many of the contradictions MR was accused of was just his trying to clarify things. You will see how ER backed down a bit and seems to be genuinely not so sure anymore that MR is responsible. (my opinion only)

Some of the things attributed here to MR have just not been true.

You could be right. I think it's just that we don't have clarity on many issues. And we may never...

 

[vasportsmom]

Guys, if you google Dylan Redwine and go back to the earliest articles and read all of them up till now it can help put things in better perspective. At least it did for me. Be sure and read them in chronological order.

You can see how things started out, how behaviors changed over time and how many of the contradictions MR was accused of was just his trying to clarify things. You will see how ER backed down a bit and seems to be genuinely not so sure anymore that MR is responsible. (my opinion only)

Some of the things attributed here to MR have just not been true.

Which things haven't been true?


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[margarita25]

Most people on this thread have been here a long time and seem to know what is going on here. I don't know what to think. I really think he disappeared sunday night and all things lead to dad......BUT I would have thought LE would be all over MR if they thought he was guilty. Not really sure what they have......nothing on MR, or trying to build a case against him before arrest. It's so hard to know this with as little info as we have on all of this.

Patience my friend. It's only a matter of time. I'm sure they know what's up. They're on it. They just need to protect the investigation, as well as build a strong case as you mentioned. My opinion of course.

 

[Tennlyn]

"I question why it has taken this long to start scouring the lake because from Day One they have known it is likely he had a fishing pole with him," Redwine, 52, said.

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22063185/sunday-search-launched-missing-boy-laplata-county


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That right there is one of the first things that set off alarm bells in my head. I know some think LE searched the lake because MR was talking about the fishing pole. I still think it was the other way around. LE started searching the lake and MR said that as a CYA for what he was afraid LE would/will find. moo

Of course, I could be, and in fact I hope I am wrong. I really want Dylan safe and sound. I really really don't want parents involved if he's not. But I can't ignore what my instincts tell me might have happened.

 

[jennapuppy]

When I question why 13-year old boys would want to get together at 6:30 am on a school holiday, fishing would be one of the first reasons to come to mind.
However, I've been guilty many times of going to my parents' lakehouse and suggesting that we get up early when the fish are biting. Then, when the time comes, I can't make myself get out of bed. I always have good intentions the night before, but I end up telling myself that the fish will still be there a few hours later.

It's possible that's what happened with Dylan. If he woke up to discover he was having phone problems, he could have grabbed his backpack and fishing pole and took off to hitch a ride. Maybe he didn't use MR's computer because it's password protected, and perhaps the idea of using a landline to call 411 for his friend's numbers just didn't occur to him. He may have actually liked the idea of hitchhiking because it made him feel "cool."
jmo

 

[Abby Normal Again]

That's where I keep going as well.

I know there have been at least 100 excuses/reasons for Dylan's phone being off and probably an equal number of reasons/excuses for not using the computer, land line, dad's cell, whatever, but one of the first things ER stated about her son is that he is tech-savy. That speaks volumes to me. Tech savy kids are NEVER separated from their technology. It is with them from their first breath in the morning until they fall asleep at night. One way or another, that child would have been in touch with his friends. This is not only my opinion, but it is my experience with every tech-savy teen in my domain.

Just sort of jumping on line of thought, this isn't direct.

ER told us that Dylan is not very outdoorsy, and then we saw a video in which he was rather outdoorsy. What I keep saying about baseline is really important, because we can't take phrases like tech savvy or prolific texter and apply them what that means to us- because it may not be the same as what that means to the person speaking.

So if ER says he's not very outdoorsy and very techy, them being more accustomed to small town- that might very well mean something different. My kids are tech savvy, but they aren't tech obsessed. They like jumping in creeks and water skiing. It's not all about the phone to them, but they still send a ton of texts. Usually in spurts. That's our baseline.

Every time I talk about this, about baselines, people start suggesting that we're stringing coincidences together to get any possible scenario other than MR being guilty. But it's not coincidences we're stringing together, it's possible norms we're stringing together.

To ER Dylan may be non-outdoorsy and tech savvy, but her idea of outdoorsy and tech savvy may be different than mine. I can't really take that an apply it full speed ahead.

If there is anything that websleuths has taught me, is that we all interpret things differently based on our norms and baselines. Which means we are all coming from a different place- the speaker as well.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

Which things haven't been true?


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Yeah I'd like to know what things haven't been true too. Scratching my head trying to think of anything thats untrue.

 

[princessk]

Patience my friend. It's only a matter of time. I'm sure they know what's up. They're on it. They just need to protect the investigation, as well as build a strong case as you mentioned. My opinion of course.

Patience is not my best virtue! I wanna know now!!! Even though I know why I shouldn't know

 

[katydid23]

I don't know if MR is responsible or not but I personally can see (based on experience with my son and daughter) Dylan sleeping in, waking up, eating some cereal then taking off down the road with his backpack and fishing pole. Not thinking a thing about danger.

Exactly like his friends said and just the right sicko on the road at the time offered him a ride and poof Dylan is gone.

I was married to a man once who would have handled it exactly like MR would have so based on my personal experience I'm still looking at all possibilities.

But here is what I don't understand. We know that his plans changed the night before, and Dylan dutifully contacted his friend and said he was not coming over that night. Right?

So why didnt he do that again, the next morning, when THOSE plans changed again? If he was responsible enough to keep his friends updated Sunday night, why wouldnt he do the same thing on Monday morning?

He told his friends he was being dropped off at 6:30 am. Why wouldnt he give them a quick text to say he missed his ride after he decided to walk or hitch a ride later?