CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #13

[tiredblondy]

(these are excerpts from the linked article, since the focus seems to be on MR I thought his words were worth listing here)

5 days ago

Dylan Redwine's parents are suffering through one of the worst possible tragedies to hit a parent – a missing child. Even with the community support Mark and Elaine Redwine have received, nothing truly takes away from their pain.

“We've got to put our faith in God,” Mark Redwine said Sunday morning. “I'm trying to stay strong and not lose my faith.”

“Everybody's pitched in,” Elaine Redwine said, noting how the community, including many strangers, have helped in the search for Dylan and in helping the family survive the ordeal.

“Dylan has become our child,” she said about the community.

Mark Redwine said in a telephone interview that “it's been very difficult” dealing with Dylan's disappearance sometime the morning of Nov. 19. “I'm not eating or sleeping,” he said.

Dylan was visiting his father in Vallecito on a court-ordered visit. The Redwines have been divorced since 2007 and Elaine Redwine recently moved with Dylan and his older brother Cory to the Colorado Springs area.

Mark Redwine said he had some frustrations about the whole event, the first being what happened to Dylan.

“We're all searching for that answer,” he said.

“I think we're all frustrated,” including the community, he added.

One of the hardest parts is the type of information he does get.

Mark Redwine said he was told there's an area of Vallecito Reservoir that's “of interest” to law enforcement. This follows a search by New Mexico state dive crews Nov. 25 near the Vallecito dam. At that time, nothing was found.

At the same time, Mark Redwine has been thrust into the public spotlight, something he's not used to.

“I tend to be more of a private person,” he explained. “I keep things bottled up inside.”

Because of the economic recession, Mark Redwine has been working out of the area and comes home to Vallecito when he can.

“Fathers and mothers do what we got to do” to support their families, even if that means long-distance jobs, Redwine said.

He specifically came back Nov. 17 to pick up Dylan at the airport. But Redwine said there had been some mechanical problem with the plane, so Dylan's mother rescheduled for Dylan to fly in Sunday evening.

The 13-year-old was still asleep when his father ran some errands in Durango the morning of Nov. 19. When he came back, Dylan was gone. The search began late that day.
http://www.durangoherald.com/articl...faith-through-adverse-time&template=mobileart

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The article above was one day before the article below. The next day he told the reporter the info below. I think it needs to be presented the way it happened.
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6 days ago
Durango Herald -When contacted Monday, Mark Redwine declined to be interviewed, saying, “At this point, I think I’ve said as much as I need to say.”

He added: “The community’s been great. My problem is my ex-wife. She seems to have all the answers, and she seems to be the one everybody wants to listen to.”

http://www.durangoherald.com/apps/p...ce-reveal-no-new-leads--&template=printpicart

 

[shefner]

Ya'll have slap worn me out around here! I mean, a girl hosts a Christmas party for a few hours, cleans up the kitchen, and next thing ya know she's 30 pages behind on her main case! I read as much as I could...then shrugged my shoulders and hit "last." Soooo....forgive me please.

Has anyone missed me? Did anyone send out a search party for me? Did TxJan make a timeline? Someone create a poster?

But back on track now, I'm sad to see that Dylan still isn't home.

 

[Kamille]

Guys, if you google Dylan Redwine and go back to the earliest articles and read all of them up till now it can help put things in better perspective. At least it did for me. Be sure and read them in chronological order.

You can see how things started out, how behaviors changed over time and how many of the contradictions MR was accused of was just his trying to clarify things. You will see how ER backed down a bit and seems to be genuinely not so sure anymore that MR is responsible. (my opinion only)

Some of the things attributed here to MR have just not been true.

What I do seem to be missing in all of the media articles and interviews with MR is some kind of information on just what they did or discussed in the few hours that they were supposedly together on Sunday evening. I've seen many parents in similar situations who talk about their last hours with their missing child, what they did and what their child said, some nice little story about a conversation they had or something they did that personalizes the child.

Did he ask Dylan about how his flight was? Did they discuss the issue about the one day delay in him getting there and how crazy it was trying to book another flight? Did they talk about his new school? What did Dylan want or ask him to buy at Walmart for his week there? What did he order to eat at McDonalds? How did he come to end up sleeping on the couch with a blanket? Did he just crash in front of the television so MR had to bring him a blanket and just decided to leave him there sleeping? What was he watching on the television? Were they watching it together? I just didn't get that personal, I love my son, we were having such a great time and I miss him so much vibe from him in that interview.

Maybe it is the fact that there have been no press conferences and no opportunity for the parents to get in front of the local media to plead for their son's safe return that is making me feel this way?

MOO

 

[katydid23]

Just sort of jumping on line of thought, this isn't direct.

ER told us that Dylan is not very outdoorsy, and then we saw a video in which he was rather outdoorsy. What I keep saying about baseline is really important, because we can't take phrases like tech savvy or prolific texter and apply them what that means to us- because it may not be the same as what that means to the person speaking.

So if ER says he's not very outdoorsy and very techy, them being more accustomed to small town- that might very well mean something different. My kids are tech savvy, but they aren't tech obsessed. They like jumping in creeks and water skiing. It's not all about the phone to them, but they still send a ton of texts. Usually in spurts. That's our baseline.

Every time I talk about this, about baselines, people start suggesting that we're stringing coincidences together to get any possible scenario other than MR being guilty. But it's not coincidences we're stringing together, it's possible norms we're stringing together.

To ER Dylan may be non-outdoorsy and tech savvy, but her idea of outdoorsy and tech savvy may be different than mine. I can't really take that an apply it full speed ahead.

If there is anything that websleuths has taught me, is that we all interpret things differently based on our norms and baselines. Which means we are all coming from a different place- the speaker as well.

But her use of the term 'out doorsy' was in response to MR's suggestion that he hiked to a remote lake by himself, 4 miles, to go fishing, while his friends were waiting for him in town. So her reply, that her kid was not that 'out doorsy' was an explanation for her disbelief in that scenario. She was trying to say that he would not want to be all alone in the woods to fish when he could be with his group of friends hanging out instead.

So those videos of him swimming and running around and playing ball are all with friends. Not him alone hiking in nature in remote spots. I think that was what she meant as his baseline.

 

[vasportsmom]

Ya'll have slap worn me out around here! I mean, a girl hosts a Christmas party for a few hours, cleans up the kitchen, and next thing ya know she's 30 pages behind on her main case! I read as much as I could...then shrugged my shoulders and hit "last." Soooo....forgive me please.

Has anyone missed me? Did anyone send out a search party for me? Did TxJan make a timeline? Someone create a poster?

But back on track now, I'm sad to see that Dylan still isn't home.

The most interesting stuff you missed was Marc K's opinions on the case from the radio show.


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[margarita25]

respectfully snipped

“I don’t want to have dinner with her and become buddy, buddy, but as parents of a missing child, people need to know that we can put our differences aside and that we want our son back,” he said.

Here's another one for the list of pertinent, sensitive, constructive comments at a time like this.

(Why even saaaay this? The second half of the sentence would just fine! If I were his lawyer I'd stuff a sock in his mouth. Keep talkin buddy!! :jail

 

[tiredblondy]

Yeah I'd like to know what things haven't been true too. Scratching my head trying to think of anything thats untrue.

I went back to look and I think some posts have been removed or I'd quote them for you guys. I'll look more tomorrow. There's a lot of threads to go through.

I just hope and pray Dylan is alive somewhere. I just cannot rule out an abduction in my mind at this time.

:bedtime:fftobed:

 

[NC Analyzer]

Just sort of jumping on line of thought, this isn't direct.

ER told us that Dylan is not very outdoorsy, and then we saw a video in which he was rather outdoorsy. What I keep saying about baseline is really important, because we can't take phrases like tech savvy or prolific texter and apply them what that means to us- because it may not be the same as what that means to the person speaking.

So if ER says he's not very outdoorsy and very techy, them being more accustomed to small town- that might very well mean something different. My kids are tech savvy, but they aren't tech obsessed. They like jumping in creeks and water skiing. It's not all about the phone to them, but they still send a ton of texts. Usually in spurts. That's our baseline.

Every time I talk about this, about baselines, people start suggesting that we're stringing coincidences together to get any possible scenario other than MR being guilty. But it's not coincidences we're stringing together, it's possible norms we're stringing together.

To ER Dylan may be non-outdoorsy and tech savvy, but her idea of outdoorsy and tech savvy may be different than mine. I can't really take that an apply it full speed ahead.

If there is anything that websleuths has taught me, is that we all interpret things differently based on our norms and baselines. Which means we are all coming from a different place- the speaker as well.

I can see what you're saying, but just because mom described him as "tech savvy" doesn't exclude him from that and a 100+ other interests. The phone thing is an appendage from what I know of this subject. They text while brushing their teeth/hair, walking to the bus, in class, out of class, hanging out with friends, watching tv and on and on. It can be random...as in just reading everyone else's text's (they tend to send out one text to multiple recipients so there are plenty to read) or they may send out one or two of their own. I have a 15-yr old that averages 10,000 texts (incoming and outgoing) per month...and I have been told that is even on the low side of "normal". We live in a rural area...but outside a large city...so my kid is street and country smart. She does all the typical girly things but she also likes the great outdoors as well as after school activities and friends. She also has a boyfriend. They text constantly. I work with tons of kids on a daily basis. They all do the same thing. The cell phone is glued to their hand. I also have a 22-yr old grandson living with me. His mom couldn't afford to pay his monthly cell bill so service was cut off. He still uses the cell phone. He texts messages through Facebook to all his friends using wifi. They may not be the
"texter" but they are always in contact with their friends....or SOMEBODY hears about it.

 

[ttcRider]

When I question why 13-year old boys would want to get together at 6:30 am on a school holiday, fishing would be one of the first reasons to come to mind.
However, I've been guilty many times of going to my parents' lakehouse and suggesting that we get up early when the fish are biting. Then, when the time comes, I can't make myself get out of bed. I always have good intentions the night before, but I end up telling myself that the fish will still be there a few hours later.

It's possible that's what happened with Dylan. If he woke up to discover he was having phone problems, he could have grabbed his backpack and fishing pole and took off to hitch a ride. Maybe he didn't use MR's computer because it's password protected, and perhaps the idea of using a landline to call 411 for his friend's numbers just didn't occur to him. He may have actually liked the idea of hitchhiking because it made him feel "cool."
jmo

oh no.. tell me you didnt bring up 411. :floorlaugh: I better go to bed.

 

[tiredblondy]

Ya'll have slap worn me out around here! I mean, a girl hosts a Christmas party for a few hours, cleans up the kitchen, and next thing ya know she's 30 pages behind on her main case! I read as much as I could...then shrugged my shoulders and hit "last." Soooo....forgive me please.

Has anyone missed me? Did anyone send out a search party for me? Did TxJan make a timeline? Someone create a poster?

But back on track now, I'm sad to see that Dylan still isn't home.

I missed you Heffy but I'm worn out and going to bed now. Yes there is a timeline I'm sure one of these wonderful WSers will give you the lease, lol link.

I'm on the wall and feel alone up here and am so sleepy I can't reach the floor.

See you later!

 

[margarita25]

<Putting myself in timeout...Please don't get the needle out Nurse!>

 

[aust amateur slueth]

(these are excerpts from the linked article, since the focus seems to be on MR I thought his words were worth listing here)

5 days ago

Dylan Redwine's parents are suffering through one of the worst possible tragedies to hit a parent – a missing child. Even with the community support Mark and Elaine Redwine have received, nothing truly takes away from their pain.

“We've got to put our faith in God,” Mark Redwine said Sunday morning. “I'm trying to stay strong and not lose my faith.”

“Everybody's pitched in,” Elaine Redwine said, noting how the community, including many strangers, have helped in the search for Dylan and in helping the family survive the ordeal.

“Dylan has become our child,” she said about the community.

Mark Redwine said in a telephone interview that “it's been very difficult” dealing with Dylan's disappearance sometime the morning of Nov. 19. “I'm not eating or sleeping,” he said.

Dylan was visiting his father in Vallecito on a court-ordered visit. The Redwines have been divorced since 2007 and Elaine Redwine recently moved with Dylan and his older brother Cory to the Colorado Springs area.

Mark Redwine said he had some frustrations about the whole event, the first being what happened to Dylan.

“We're all searching for that answer,” he said.

“I think we're all frustrated,” including the community, he added.

One of the hardest parts is the type of information he does get.

Mark Redwine said he was told there's an area of Vallecito Reservoir that's “of interest” to law enforcement. This follows a search by New Mexico state dive crews Nov. 25 near the Vallecito dam. At that time, nothing was found.

At the same time, Mark Redwine has been thrust into the public spotlight, something he's not used to.

“I tend to be more of a private person,” he explained. “I keep things bottled up inside.”

Because of the economic recession, Mark Redwine has been working out of the area and comes home to Vallecito when he can.

“Fathers and mothers do what we got to do” to support their families, even if that means long-distance jobs, Redwine said.

He specifically came back Nov. 17 to pick up Dylan at the airport. But Redwine said there had been some mechanical problem with the plane, so Dylan's mother rescheduled for Dylan to fly in Sunday evening.

The 13-year-old was still asleep when his father ran some errands in Durango the morning of Nov. 19. When he came back, Dylan was gone. The search began late that day.
http://www.durangoherald.com/articl...faith-through-adverse-time&template=mobileart

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The article above was one day before the article below. The next day he told the reporter the info below. I think it needs to be presented the way it happened.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
6 days ago
Durango Herald -When contacted Monday, Mark Redwine declined to be interviewed, saying, “At this point, I think I’ve said as much as I need to say.”

He added: “The community’s been great. My problem is my ex-wife. She seems to have all the answers, and she seems to be the one everybody wants to listen to.”

http://www.durangoherald.com/apps/p...ce-reveal-no-new-leads--&template=printpicart

I see MR having a dig at ER

IMO in light of the situation I can understand ER making the comment that she originally did, its not something you would come out with for no reason.

I can't however in this situation see why he would be so negative towards ER, I mean Dylan was in his care and if the positions were reversed and he had gone missing while in ERs care then we would expect him to be negative toward her.

 

[tiredblondy]

Here's another one for the list of pertinent, sensitive, constructive comments at a time like this.

(Why even saaaay this? The second half of the sentence would just fine! If I were his lawyer I'd stuff a sock in his mouth. Keep talkin buddy!! :jail

LOVE YOUR NAME!!!! Wish I had one right now. I don't know why I am just trying to provide some information. Now I'm gonna dream about Margaritas...yummmm

 

[jennapuppy]

oh no.. tell me you didnt bring up 411. :floorlaugh: I better go to bed.

My bad. It's just that, sometimes our kids are so tech-savvy that they're unaware of how we did it in the "olden days".

 

[TxJan1971]

Ya'll have slap worn me out around here! I mean, a girl hosts a Christmas party for a few hours, cleans up the kitchen, and next thing ya know she's 30 pages behind on her main case! I read as much as I could...then shrugged my shoulders and hit "last." Soooo....forgive me please.

Has anyone missed me? Did anyone send out a search party for me? Did TxJan make a timeline? Someone create a poster?

But back on track now, I'm sad to see that Dylan still isn't home.

Yes, there's a timeline, but "yinz guyz" have made me work even harder. I just updated it again, but not quite ready to reload. The current version is available here: (I have LOTS to add)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zyp4517k6z77s2f/Dylan%20Timeline%20Final.doc

 

[katydid23]

The boys were supposed to play baseball... I do not have the link at my finger tips..

NO< ***********ALERT ****************** 'baseball' was a mistake made by someone transcribing a NG transcript. It was supposed to say he was heading to Bayfield, and the genius transcriber wrote ' baseball'...

 

[scorekeeper]

The boys were supposed to play baseball... I do not have the link at my finger tips..

No, no. not again...remember the article should have said "Bayfield" not baseball.....'member, clue?

I think I'm going to bed too!!

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[tiredblondy]

Just and FYI about SHefner....

She is a WONDERFUL hostess and a great cook. I could smell her food and see her Christmas lights 2 hours away!!!:christmastree::blowkiss:

 

[tiredblondy]

Darn, I can tell the fun's starting now...just when I have to leave...bummer...

 

[Tennlyn]

My bad. It's just that, sometimes our kids are so tech-savvy that they're unaware of how we did it in the "olden days".

I thought kids knew about 411. Don't they use that as a synonym for the word "information"?