CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #13

[oceanblueeyes]

So what do you think the next course of action should be as it seems very quiet and time is very important in these cases ??

I really think LE is stumped. They are trying as hard as they can but I dont think they even know what happened to Dylan much less who is involved.

I imagine they will still do some searches and continue to follow the tips coming in.

Other than that...I dont know.

imo

 

[Simply Caustic]

<modsnip> The discussion rules have been relaxed but that does not mean you can outright accuse him.

No 'tunnel talk' discussion allowed.

All opinions are welcome, please don't talk about being on one team or another. We all want the same thing... Dylan to be found safe and brought home!!!

Bumping what I consider to be a very important post - let's remember we are all here out of concern for Dylan, regardless of what side of the fence we sit on.

I know this goes without saying, but I'd simply LOVE to refresh my WS window for Dylan's thread, NOT cringing in fear of that emboldened "Found deceased."

I see a lot of cases where you KNOW the outcome is going to be bad. This case? I still hold out hope. I still think, in my heart of hearts, that there IS a chance he is okay. Maybe it's because he's a bit older than the little ones that go missing, defenseless....maybe it's wishful thinking, on my part.

In any case. Wouldn't that just be the bees knees, for good news today? Thanks to everyone on this thread, the mods/admins, the prolific posters, the locals - I appreciate all you do, very much.

:grouphug:

 

[FruitTingles]

I have always loved Marc Klass and his advocacy for children but I have seen Marc come down hard on a parent when it turned out they had no involvement. I think he thinks its his job to critize and thinks they should all do just like he wants them to do. Marc didnt have the media hounds and internet breathing down his neck when Paulie went missing like parents do today. Its a whole new world out there today and sometimes not a very pretty one for parents with missing children.

But Marc Klass has no law enforcement background even though I think he is a fine man.

IMO

Agreed, but it was just good to get a different perspective on the case. I'm still at a loss, though. I'm not persuaded that easily.
LE are so quiet and it is frustrating. JMO.


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[shefner]

It would really help matter if MR would beg and plead to take a poly....just so he can be publicly cleared. I would want my name cleared by LE.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

In my work experience (Cook County gov't, here in Chicago) - yup. They most definitely do state 'passed' as the confirmation of a satisfactory outcome on the polygraph.

I was thinking maybe due to his emotional state of mind (he says he holds things inside and a lot of men do) that he may have failed a part of his poly test like LE told Ruthie Lunsford she did and when the FBI told Steve Greone he failed a part of his test. But that would not be correct now that Ive thought about it some more. LE in those cases did say later on that both of these people failed due to being in an emotional state of mind when the poly was taken.

But MR did not fail or they would have said failed but it was inconclusive instead which means the examiner couldnt tell by his answers either way.

I also read that sometimes why it can be inconclusive is the examiner may write down some of the case facts wrong before beginning and that can confuse the examinee when asked certain questions.

IMO

 

[DylansMom34]

This thread reminds me of people leading up to the presidential election. Everyone has an opinion about what may have happened to Dylan and who is responsible. Everyone has an opinion about parenting abilities or inabilities of the parents in this situation. Can we ever just agree to disagree? I don't think anything someone posts on here is really going to sway someone from their opinions.

I think part of this is the lack of information from LE. Hopefully they name a suspect or make an arrest soon.

 

[TexasCharm]

Good Morning! Just popped in and obviously haven't missed anything. We're still dancing around the same old couple o' bushes ....

Thanks to all who searched on Saturday ...

Where is that kid?

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Yes, MR said it was spotty, ER says she hasn't had much trouble (paraphrasing), it was reported that texts go through, and MR has a computer (unsure who has access/passwords). Let me see if I can find a specific link(s).

Also,

Spotty Cell Phone Service per MR:
Mark said he tried texting Dylan all afternoon in an area with spotty cellphone service. When he didn't hear anything back by late afternoon, he went to Dylan's friend's house in Vallecito. That friend hadn't seen him.

http://www.denverpost.com/frontpage/ci_22108222?source=rss

Spotty Cell Phone/Texts Go Through per ER: (Nancy Grace Interview with ER)
GRACE: What`s this business about bad cell reception in that area? Was there bad cell reception? Did you have a problem hearing from him back on Labor Day, the last time he had visited his dad?

REDWINE: You know, there is bad cell reception, but texts always seemed to come through. So while you can`t necessarily speak with someone on the phone...

GRACE: That`s true.

REDWINE: ... it doesn`t seem like I ever had an issue getting texts from Dylan up there.

GRACE: You know, that`s true. That`s a very common experience. You cannot get a cell to make a cell phone call, but you can get texts in and out. You can even get texts up in the air on an airplane somehow.

REDWINE: Right.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1212/03/ng.01.html

Also, I believe MR has a landline phone. Have to find a link though...

Jumping off your post...

the situation with spotty cell service would have been known to Dylan prior to his Thanksgiving visit..

And it looks like dad had back up lines of communication... i.e.... Landline, computer, etc....because dad and mom would need to have been in communication prior since they needed to discuss legal matters.... And the traveling details regarding Dylan...

So it would seem to me that even if Dylan's cell wasn't acting properly due to burn out... Battery down...Dylan would have already known the various alternate ways to communicate with friends, mom, etc.....

In other words... If Dylan's cell had gone kerplunk on that night/morning in question...for any reason... He and his dad would have probably already had discussed other forms of communication in prior visits...

JMO

 

[Abby Normal Again]

I should have known what tact Marc Klaas was going to take tonight. He was anti-Mark Redwine during the interview with Nancy Grace last week.

I just thought that as a parent who lost a child, he'd understand that no one behaves the way one expects them to. Everyone is looking at you thinking you did it. If you are lucky, they aren't in your face about it, getting on national news outlets outright accusing you of having everything to do with it.

I was watching a show last night......Motives & Murders or Cold Blood or Unsual Suspects. It was about a man whose sister was murdered by a serial killer. Years later his wife disappeared.

He said years later that everyone was saying that he did it, that he couldn't possibly be innocent, he was giving interviews, smiling on camera, looking like he wasn't grieving. After the murderer was caught, with plenty of DNA evidence as well as the person who murdered his wife having her jewelry, he said that during the time following his wife's disappearance, everything seemed surreal, that he was numb, in a fog, doesn't even remember most of it. He said that when he sees some of that footage, he can see where people might have thought he wasn't grieving and that he did it, but he was innocent, he had nothing to do with it.

IME people who behave "right" or set the standards in some way are the most arrogant about others who dont do as well. Example- I grew up inner city, below poverty line. Of those of us who made it beyond that, and went to college, I see a huge amount of arrogance and animosity to those who don't make it "out." It's very "I did it, So they should too" in nature.

Not saying this specifically of Klaas, I am not familiar enough with him to make specific observations. Just speaking generally.

 

[asyousay]

It would really help matter if MR would beg and plead to take a poly....just so he can be publicly cleared. I would want my name cleared by LE.

But why would he if LE believe him ? , why offer to do something that could put you in the frame if the LE are not asking you so it !

It's self preservation imo

 

[TxLady2]

I bolded MR's statements only. Help me understand how anything stated above is really significant in the scheme of finding out what happened to his son? I'm just not seeing it ... but I'm tired, so maybe I should just come back tomorrow with fresh eyes. Help....

The answers were probably to questions thrown at him by reporters. I noticed that in some of these articles, the media has hounded on his relationship with his ex-wife, and how he felt about the allegations she made, instead of asking what they could do to help find Dylan. This is how the media rolls, they seem to be more concerned with the back story, the divorce and custody issues.
That is all well and good, because it COULD have a bearing on the case, just saying that while his answers may not be much help in finding Dylan, he is only responding to what they're asking.

 

[TxLady2]

O/T and stupid compared to the reason we are here but something is wrong with my hamster and I'm afraid I'm about to lose her. I'm crying my eyes out along with my youngest. Please cross your fingers, say a prayer, whatever you believe in.


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My sympathies to you. We lost our 11 y.o. cat last week, and my son and I are still grieving, him more than me, she was his cat... or rather he was her human.
Funny how our pets have such an impact on our lives, isn't it?

 

[shefner]

My sympathies to you. We lost our 11 y.o. cat last week, and my son and I are still grieving, him more than me, she was his cat... or rather he was her human.
Funny how our pets have such an impact on our lives, isn't it?

Aww....I'm so sorry for the loss of your sweet cat, TxLady. We have 2 cats that are 7 years old. They drive me absolutely crazy! They are what I like to call, "'Neaky!'" They shed fur everywhere....and run when I yell at them for catching them breaking the rules. But if they were gone, I would miss them so bad.
Praying comfort for you and your son....

 

[Ten-96]

I have read all the pages of all the threads about Dylan and have a couple of thoughts I just can't keep to myself any longer.

My husband was as a child and remains an ardent fly fisherman. If, when he was 13, his parents had come home to find him nowhere in evidence they would have looked for his fly rod immediately. If he had awakened and had a couple of hours to kill until whatever, especially in the world class fly fishing environs of Durango, he absolutely would have been on the stream. Alone. Without telling anyone. Although I've seen no indication of it here I sincerely hope that whole stream by Dylan's dad's home has been thoroughly searched.

I'm very interested to learn how came LE to rule out the runaway scenario. The post a few pages back alluding to one of Dylan's friends fb posts smacked to me of the friend believing Dylan was gone of his own volition and would, in fact, be reading the post. When I was 13 my best friend's parents were on the back side of a vitriolic divorce and she was in the custody of her impressively alcoholic mother. I concurred with her decision to run away in protest. Although her plans carried her through New York's Port Authority and Grand Central Station I had not one iota of fear for her well-being. We were 13, we were invincible, we thought the world was a safe place, and no one understood us as well as we understood each other. When her mother called to ask whether I knew where she was I lied. When our headmaster called with the same question I lied again. Would I have lied to LE? Undoubtedly. Would I still have been lying 3 weeks later? Possibly. Our loyalties were to each other. My friend arrived safely at her destination and was returned to her mother within a week or so. She never ratted me out about all the lying so far as I know.

As a former middle school teacher I think that trying to second guess the thought processes of a 13 year old is the road to folly. Although second guessing is much of what we have to work with here, I do it with long teeth.

As does everyone else I continue to hope for a happy outcome here. I'm not convinced that we won't have one.

 

[shefner]

But why would he if LE believe him ? , why offer to do something that could put you in the frame if the LE are not asking you so it !

It's self preservation imo

But LE has said that no one can be ruled out as a suspect. I would want to be ruled out, as a parent. I would beg to be ruled out publicly...and if that meant taking a poly, I would. Apparently both parents have taken one...mom said she passed but dad's was inconclusive. He has said nothing, that I can recall, to deny that.

 

[SCHMAE]

Bumping what I consider to be a very important post - let's remember we are all here out of concern for Dylan, regardless of what side of the fence we sit on.

I know this goes without saying, but I'd simply LOVE to refresh my WS window for Dylan's thread, NOT cringing in fear of that emboldened "Found deceased."

I see a lot of cases where you KNOW the outcome is going to be bad. This case? I still hold out hope. I still think, in my heart of hearts, that there IS a chance he is okay. Maybe it's because he's a bit older than the little ones that go missing, defenseless....maybe it's wishful thinking, on my part.

In any case. Wouldn't that just be the bees knees, for good news today? Thanks to everyone on this thread, the mods/admins, the prolific posters, the locals - I appreciate all you do, very much.

:grouphug:

Ive been thinking that too... just thinking he's somewhere, a friends, a strangers, a great aunts house, laying low and thinking OH CRAP am i gonna be in trouble. I know it's unlikely. I wanted to ask those of you who follow more of these cases than I do, it is common to have this hope ? Is this false hope ? Because I keep feeling like he's alive somewhere but I dont' have ESP or even very good instincts about things, so I feel like I'm lying to myself.
So to those who follow a lot, is the sense of hope real or is it just a 'coping mechanism' for lack of a better term ? tia

 

[asyousay]

But LE has said that no one can be ruled out as a suspect. I would want to be ruled out, as a parent. I would beg to be ruled out publicly...and if that meant taking a poly, I would. Apparently both parents have taken one...mom said she passed but dad's was inconclusive. He has said nothing, that I can recall, to deny that.

I thought I had read on here that LE said MR was not a suspect ?

And if he is not then a poly would not be needed .

 

[SuziQ]

I've seen many past cases where well intentioned inner circle people post the "You won't be in trouble, please come home." statement to a missing person. And it turns out the missing person has been deceased from day one. I believe most of the time those statements are made in desperation because it would be the best ending possible to that nightmare. Sadly, the only things these type of public pleas accomplish is creating more speculation.

 

[SuziQ]

Ive been thinking that too... just thinking he's somewhere, a friends, a strangers, a great aunts house, laying low and thinking OH CRAP am i gonna be in trouble. I know it's unlikely. I wanted to ask those of you who follow more of these cases than I do, it is common to have this hope ? Is this false hope ? Because I keep feeling like he's alive somewhere but I dont' have ESP or even very good instincts about things, so I feel like I'm lying to myself.
So to those who follow a lot, is the sense of hope real or is it just a 'coping mechanism' for lack of a better term ? tia

BBM. I believe it's a coping mechanism and not realistic. But we always have to have hope, because there are always exceptions the the rule.

 

[TxLady2]

As much as I hate the typical, "Who in their right mind does that?" questions, I finally have one. Who sends their child to Colorado at this time of year without a coat? I hope he at least had some long pants with him.

Good point. Especially since the general opinion is that mom would make sure his cell phone was charged and he took his charger with him, before sending him off on the plane.