CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #13

[LotusPawprint]

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I wonder, if Mark Redwine was a classy looking guy wearing a suit and tie, very educated and well spoken, would people here still suspect him? It seems that the dads who appear kind of scruffy looking and who stumble around with words, aren't good at speaking in front of cameras always seem to get the worst criticism. Mark Lundsford, Steve Groene, for example. They were highly suspicious to LE and the public, but they had nothing to do with their kids' deaths.

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Nobody can understand, not even a fraction, unless they've gone through it themselves. Everybody should go back and read what the poster wrote who went through it. What you think you would do goes out the window when it hits home and you're in that place yourself.

ITA with the last paragraph. I've been through my own hell on a few occasions and I've since blocked out those times and memories. However I didn't care then and I don't care now what anyone thought of my behavior. It was about me and my family and our survival and well-being, the rest was just noise.


As for the first paragraph I can only speak for myself as one of "the people here" who you wondered about. I don't give a hoot what outfit he dresses up in or what he looks like.... I would think he looks odd if he's out searching the woods for his son if he's wearing a suit and tie, but that's neither here nor there. I would expect any parent in this situation to look exhausted and worn out and stressed, as he looks and as Elaine as looked, as most parents have looked. He looks par for the course and that doesn't mean a darn thing to me. If I saw him at chowing down at a 5-star bistro in Greenwich Village looking like he does, I'd stare for a moment. But I don't find his physical appearance "creepy" or questionable or more prone to suspicion. I don't think he's the most articulate, media saavy guy, but that doesn't make him guilty or suspcious.

Just like I'm equally offended when "attractive" potential suspects or criminal defendants in court cases play heavily to the jury or public --and their lawyers even use the person's looks as part of the strategy. Sorry, I don't care!

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

MR did say a fish pole was missing correct ?

It seems to me JMO that one of two things happened. Dylan really did take his backpack and fishing pole and for some reason left his phone and went to go fish to kill time until dad got home. And he has drowned.

Two MR did something to him and got ride of packback and fishing pole for his alibi. The reason he didn't get rid of phone was worried LE would ping it. JMO

The phone is missing along with Dylan.

 

[jjenny]

The phone is missing along with Dylan.

Yep. The phone is gone. Dylan didn't leave the phone at home.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

DURANGO, Colo.—Authorities say a weekend search for a missing 13-year-old boy in southwestern Colorado has turned up a handful of clues.
The La Plata County Sheriff's Office says about 300 people searched an area between Durango and Vallecito on Saturday for clues in the disappearance of Dylan Redwine.
Investigators say that of dozens of items flagged by searchers, 10 were collected for future reference in the case.


Read more: Search for Dylan Redwine in Colorado turns up clues - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_22157584/search-missing-boy-sw-colo-turns-up-clues#ixzz2EfJQqp4s
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http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_22157584/search-missing-boy-sw-colo-turns-up-clues#ixzz2EfGxKE5q

BBM

I wonder if this means a handful of clues specifically pertaining to Dylan or possibly pertaining to Dylan?

 

[TxLady2]

Here's the thing: when MR moaned & whined that "My problem is my ex-wife. She seems to have all the answers, and she seems to be the one everybody wants to listen to." - I think it's possible that what he was really complaining about was that LE was paying heed to ER's statements to LE. I think the realization that investigators were following up on information from ER chapped MR's .

IMO, I think the "everybody" he was referring to may have been investigators.

BBM: He didn't moan and whine, he made a simple statement.
That's one of the things some of us were talking about... perception. Couldn't one just as easily say that Mom moaned and whined that Dad was capable of killing his son??
If we're going to analyze a statement, we should at least refrain from adding inflections of speech to make it sound worse.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

But LE has said that no one can be ruled out as a suspect. I would want to be ruled out, as a parent. I would beg to be ruled out publicly...and if that meant taking a poly, I would. Apparently both parents have taken one...mom said she passed but dad's was inconclusive. He has said nothing, that I can recall, to deny that.

It shows me no matter who takes a poly or passes them or its inconclusive LE simply is not going to rule anyone out until they find Dylan and know what happened to him.

So what would taking another one serve? Elaine said she passed yet she and everyone else right along with her hasnt been ruled out either. I just think it would be futile.

 

[LotusPawprint]

I'm not going back to find the posts that are specifically discussing Marc Klass having "already picked sides" but IMO from listening to him speak, I don't hear that as true. He's not "picking sides". It's not a game for him. I'm sure if MR would be open to speaking with someone like Marc Klass , MK would be more than happy to do so, to get his "side" of the story, to listen to MR and to give advice. And that way MK can see and hear for himself what's going on and hopefully help MR -or- maybe he'll see a man who raises serious red flags. I mean heaven fordbid, someone in the "field" is apprehensive about MarkRedwine... shame on them!!

 

[oceanblueeyes]

BBM: He didn't moan and whine, he made a simple statement.
That's one of the things some of us were talking about... perception. Couldn't one just as easily say that Mom moaned and whined that Dad was capable of killing his son??
If we're going to analyze a statement, we should at least refrain from adding inflections of speech to make it sound worse.

I have found him very gracious and respectful since he has been smeared by his ex in the national media. Im not sure I could show such restraint even though I would know this is not about me but my missing child and really that should be the concern for both parents totally.

I also have found him very open and answers any questions that the reporters have asked him.

I dont think he has whined one time and Im actually surprised that he hasnt.

The only time I did detect some frustration is when he said that everyone seems to want to talk to his ex instead of him and he knows it is his home where Dylan went missing from.......not Elaine's who was supposedly 5.5 hours away at the time.

IMO

 

[tamild]

No, she didn't say that cell phone and charger were specifically in his backpack.

She continued, “If he could call, he would.” His cell phone and charger and various other items were in his backpack, which he supposedly had with him. It’s not at his father’s house, she said.
She said she and Dylan had moved from near Bayfield to Colorado Springs on July 1 this year. He was in eighth grade there and was happy and had a lot of friends there, she said.

http://www.pinerivertimes.com/news.asp?artid=1091
You're right. The BBM isn't a direct quote. Much of this article is paraphrased.

 

[jennapuppy]

IMO the court is by nature very adversarial, it pits parents against each other with legal representation instead of making the parents work together for their childrens best interests.

The only bias the court should have is to protect the childrens safety as much as is possible.

I'm still horrified about a case here where the court ordered two young girls to spend alternate weekends with their pedophile father, with the proviso that they share a room until early teens and they must lock themselves in their room at night.

That is disgusting. That judge should be forced to spend alternate weekends locked in a lion's den and see how it feels.
:furious:

 

[TxLady2]

But LE has said that no one can be ruled out as a suspect. I would want to be ruled out, as a parent. I would beg to be ruled out publicly...and if that meant taking a poly, I would. Apparently both parents have taken one...mom said she passed but dad's was inconclusive. He has said nothing, that I can recall, to deny that.

Agree.... but polygraphs don't rule someone in or out, basically they're just an investigative tool. He could take and pass a dozen of them and it wouldn't change some peoples' minds.
Mom also said she didn't know if he took one, then said he failed, and then it was inconclusive. We don't know if he has asked, or if LE has asked him to take another one. He may have, for all we know.
I don't think distraught parents should be subjected to polygraphs in the first few days of an investigation, it's unfair, IMO because their emotions are like a roller coaster ride right then and it's going to affect their reactions.
I've been wondering why Mom was asked to take one in the first place, if they established that she was in Colorado Springs at the time Dylan went missing. What was the purpose of subjecting her to a polygraph? Maybe just to compare her results to Dad's? I don't get that, but I guess they had their reasons.

 

[Abby Normal Again]

Wow! Interesting. Sounds like he has already chosen which side to take.

That seems to be part of the problem here. Mom gets a pass on odd behaviors or inconsistencies, yet Dad is criticized for every word he speaks.
We can justify that, to an extent, with the fact that Dylan went missing while on Dad's watch, BUT I am not going to take every word she says as gospel, just for that fact alone. I accept that she is innocent, that she probably had nothing to do with it, but that does not automatically make Dad guilty, IMO. I think she was wrong to go public with those allegations when she did, but then I might have done the same thing in her shoes. IOW, just because she believes something does not make it true.

To be fair, if Dylan was last seen with mom that scenario would be reversed. I don't think it's about him personally, or his gender, or even his background... just simply that he's most suspect bc Dylan had been at his house.

I'm not going back to find the posts that are specifically discussing Marc Klass having "already picked sides" but IMO from listening to him speak, I don't hear that as true. He's not "picking sides". It's not a game for him. I'm sure if MR would be open to speaking with someone like Marc Klass , MK would be more than happy to do so, to get his "side" of the story, to listen to MR and to give advice. And that way MK can see and hear for himself what's going on and hopefully help MR -or- maybe he'll see a man who raises serious red flags. I mean heaven fordbid, someone in the "field" is apprehensive about MarkRedwine... shame on them!!

Many of us simply said it was unprofessional to speak definitively based on behavioral observation alone. Unless he has more information from LE, he's just as "in the know" as any of us.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I dont know if this has already been linked.

Mark Redwine says just because it has turned cold doesnt mean they are going to stop searching for Dylan.

Video

http://www.koat.com/news/new-mexico...ne/-/9153728/17714292/-/11uwpygz/-/index.html

 

[oceanblueeyes]

To be fair, if Dylan was last seen with mom that scenario would be reversed. I don't think it's about him personally, or his gender, or even his background... just simply that he's most suspect bc Dylan had been at his house.





Many of us simply said it was unprofessional to speak definitively based on behavioral observation alone. Unless he has more information from LE, he's just as "in the know" as any of us.

Im not sure I agree totally with the top portion of your post Abby. Just by my personal experiences of being here for 8 years the accusations do seem to come more quickly if a dad is involved over a mother when a child went missing on her watch. JMO though

 

[TxLady2]

Me, too, TxLady. As my avatar might suggest, I love cats. I truly sympathize with you over your loss.

(((((((HUGS)))))))

Thank you to both of you... didn't see Shefner's post till you quoted it.

Callie was a special cat, we raised her from a tiny kitten. But she was so attached to my son, if he went away for the weekend, she sat by his bedroom door until he returned, then ignored him for several hours, to "punish" him for leaving. She had her own little personality, we will never stop missing her.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Thank you to both of you... didn't see Shefner's post till you quoted it.

Callie was a special cat, we raised her from a tiny kitten. But she was so attached to my son, if he went away for the weekend, she sat by his bedroom door until he returned, then ignored him for several hours, to "punish" him for leaving. She had her own little personality, we will never stop missing her.

Im so sorry for your loss. Our pets are like our babies and we have cats and dogs. All of them have their own sweet personalities and are endearing in their own ways.

IMO

 

[scorekeeper]

Re: Elaine taking poly

Heck, for all we know someone may have accused her of abducting him while dad was gone.

Therefore, she took a poly to verify her story that she was at home and had nothing to do with her son's disappearance.

Or it may have been standard operating procedure, based on past family history/court cases.

JMO

 

[Abby Normal Again]

Im not sure I agree totally with the top portion of your post Abby. Just by my personal experiences of being here for 8 years the accusations do seem to come more quickly if a dad is involved over a mother when a child went missing on her watch. JMO though

Could be! I've only been here since the Lisa Irwin case, so I don't have as much to go on. I do remember there was a lot of speculation about her dad, even though he had a pretty fair alibi, though. So maybe.

I was raised by a single dad, and I couldn't count the number of times people called CPS on him. For stuff that was really silly. Basically, he was suspect as a capable caregiver most of my life simply because he was male. He was not perfect, but he was far better than the woman who birthed me. She's a trip. I re-met her as an adult, and she only contacts me when she wants money. :banghead:

 

[packerdog]

The way I see it is that the most important issue here for the the mother is to find her son. I don't believe that she would point the finger at the father from the get go just because they went through a tough divorce. She has said that she wants MR to take a poly so that LE can move on. She doesn't want to steer LE in the wrong direction. She wants her son found. Does anyone think for one minute if the tables were turned and Dylan went missing under the mothers watch the dad wouldn't blame her? This is a very sad situation all the way around. Even if they were happily married and the boy went missing on either parents watch I am sure there would be finger pointing on how could they let this happen.

 

[SuziQ]

Im not sure I agree totally with the top portion of your post Abby. Just by my personal experiences of being here for 8 years the accusations do seem to come more quickly if a dad is involved over a mother when a child went missing on her watch. JMO though

That is just your opinion and I disagree.