CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #14

[OneLove]

Wouldn't ER have had to make some claim first in her report that he had taken the kids without her permission for it to make sense that he made this up to cover for it by saying she was drinking then driving with the kids in the car???

And a judge wouldn't order 2 years of no drinking then driving with kids in the car just on his word alone. Why would he order such a thing just based on that??? There had to be somthing more to that.

No.

. She could simply have been enraged at her husband for taking the boys out of school and threatening to leave with them. Who knows? Maybe he even said "you'll never see them again". They may have had an extremely bitter and contentious battle. And he may have gone down to the courthouse and filed this "claim" just to insure he had more leverage over her. And she might have justifiably been scared out of her ever loving mind. So maybe she didn't even contest it. So it would have automatically been granted. No investigation would have been done at all.

It's just possible that the alcohol problem was NOT with her. I don't know. But I have known alcoholics, both professionally as a child advocate in social services AND personally in my family, that could easily have done just this kind of thing. Sadly, it's not that uncommon. Family court judges know this. All too well.

 

[asyousay]

It would be interesting to know what MR did between 8pm and 7:30am . Did he have no friends who would of rung him that evening ? .

The problem is that Gap of time is so massive that god forbid anything did happen then over 9 hours for a clean up .

 

[OneLove]

If you visit a CDL/truck driver bulletin board (which are more common that you'd expect, they are usually looking for conversation after being alone all day) you'll get fried alive if you ask if you can drive after one beer. It's seriously hugely taboo, so I have no idea where you met your CDL drivers- but what a shame.

Yeah, well, bulletin boards are pretty public. I don't imagine these drivers are advertising their illegal activities that could cost them their licenses. :floorlaugh:

We met them at Loves and Pilot stations all across the country.

 

[Ransom]

Thanks.

But didn't we wonder what scent item(s) they were using, since Mark had nothing to give them - Elaine had to get something from their home.

Does this article mean they were trailing Dylan's scent?

TIA

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1211/28/ng.01.html

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And Dylan`s family was asked to bring more of his clothes by investigators so the dogs could pick up a better scent.

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BENDER: I don`t know what the history of the visitation was.

GRACE: Well, what I`m trying to get at, Sergeant, is did he even have friends in that area?

BENDER: Dylan actually lived in the Bayfield and Vallecito area -- they`re two towns very close to each other -- for a number of years. He went through the schools there. So he has many friends in the area.

GRACE: So he does have a lot of friends there.

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GRACE: To Sergeant Dan Bender, joining me from the sheriff`s office. Any explanation about why he did not take his son with him to run errands? It may have been as simple as Denise has said that a lot of -- that a lot of boys don`t want to get up that early.

BENDER: That was something that the father did mention.

GRACE: And to you, Sgt. Bender, please help me out. The mother is indicating the father is not sharing information with her?

BENDER: I`ve heard that in the media.

GRACE: OK. So you don`t have a beat on that.

Ellie, do we know when the mom finally learned that the little boy was missing?

JOSTAD: It`s my understanding that she learned that Dylan was missing shortly after around the same time that the dad reported him missing. She said she jumped in her car in Colorado Springs, 300 some miles away, and headed straight to Vallecito to help look for him.

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GRACE: Good question. Out to Sgt. Dan Bender. Did he take a poly?

BENDER: I do know that the investigators spoke with him on a number of occasions, that would be information on the ongoing investigation, I couldn`t refer to now.

GRACE: To Denise Hess, this is a very close friend of the family. She`s even organizing searches for this little boy.

Denise, do we know if the father`s taken a polygraph?

HESS: I do not know that information. I`ve been in close contact with the family, but, of course, I`m sure investigators are telling them to not really speak publicly even with close friends at this point.

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GRACE: We are taking your calls. To Sgt. Dan Bender, spokesperson, La Plata County Sheriffs Office.

Sergeant, the search of the lake has been called off. Why?

BENDER: We`re still searching in the area, the Vallecito area. However, it`s a very large lake. It takes 12 miles to drive around the entire lake. And we were searching, the reason we brought up the divers and the sonar and such is because of the dog alerts in a very small area. Our search by the divers and sonar actually covered an area probably 20 times the (INAUDIBLE) where the dogs alerted and there was simply nothing found there.

There's more ... but no where did LE ever say MR gave NO scent items for DR. ER supposed/surmised/inferred that and off it went..........

IMO

 

[FruitTingles]

Wouldn't ER have had to make some claim first in her report that he had taken the kids without her permission for it to make sense that he made this up to cover for it by saying she was drinking then driving with the kids in the car???

And a judge wouldn't order 2 years of no drinking then driving with kids in the car just on his word alone. Why would he order such a thing just based on that??? There had to be somthing more to that.

:goodpost:

 

[Ransom]

No.

. She could simply have been enraged at her husband for taking the boys out of school and threatening to leave with them. Who knows? Maybe he even said "you'll never see them again". They may have had an extremely bitter and contentious battle. And he may have gone down to the courthouse and filed this "claim" just to insure he had more leverage over her. And she might have justifiably been scared out of her ever loving mind. So maybe she didn't even contest it. So it would have automatically been granted. No investigation would have been done at all.

It's just possible that the alcohol problem was NOT with her. I don't know. But I have known alcoholics, both professionally as a child advocate in social services AND personally in my family, that could easily have done just this kind of thing. Sadly, it's not that uncommon. Family court judges know this. All too well.

deleted. NM

 

[asyousay]

I do not why some posters are dragging ER names though the mud as she can not be guilty in any shape or form and by the sounds of her and Dylan was close .

She has had difficult times but it seems has turned her life around and that should be admired IMO

 

[Ransom]

But we don't know if his allegations are even valid. And it doesnt seem like the judge took them too seriously either, because his 'order' not to drink with kids in the car is kind of a joke. JMO

WHY is a judges order a "joke"? Don't get this.
http://www.9news.com/rss/story.aspx?storyid=303598
VIDEO
1:32 a JUDGE issued an order to prevent ER from DRINKING ........

 

[katydid23]

WHY is a judges order a "joke"? Don't get this.

Because it is a civil divorce judge ' ordering' a mother not to drink while
her kids are in the car with her. Well DUH, that is already a major criminal law.

So having a judge give you a ' two year order' not to drink and drive with your kids is kind of a joke, imo. Of course you are not allowed to drink with your kids in the car.

eta: imo, if this judge actually believed she was drinking while driving with her kids, he could have
sent her to rehab or sent the kids to live with someone else.

 

[OneLove]

I would encourage you to report this whenever you see it happening. If it's widely accepted, that's all the more reason to IMO. It's just an accident waiting to happen.
moo

I very much agree with you on this. It's very scary. And the same people buying the beer were usually the same people buying the legal "speed" sold at these places too.

We feel shamefully guilty about not reporting it. It was a topic of debate for hours and hours the first time we saw it. And the driver was very genuinely friendly and open about telling us exactly why he was going to drive down the road drinking his beer. It made us wonder if he was not already drunk.

The reason we have never reported it is this: it is always late at night when we see this. Commercial drivers know EVERYTHING that happens on the road. They follow/ drive along with the same cross-country travelers sometimes for days, passing and falling behind the same people over and over. The RV stops for people just making time are few. Our RV stands out. .

You might wonder why we would fear being targeted by angry drivers if we were to turn someone in, so ill tell you a story that makes my stomach churn to remember. Way back when I was teaching 6th grade (waaaay back, lol), I had a student transfer into my class mid year from another state. She was quiet. And......unique. And very precious, as were they all. Her mother waited about 8 weeks to come conference with me, she said because she didn't want my knowledge of her daughter's situation to color my interactions with her. She then told me that her daughter had been abducted by a trucker and was missing for over 6 months the previous year. The mother had been coached by almost everyone she knew to give up on her daughter's likelihood of survival. Then a miracle happened one night. Her daughter, having been kept naked and drugged (needle drugs!) and passed FROM TRUCK TO TRUCK for all those months, had decided death would be welcome relief. When the truck she was in slowed down (due to a pileup on the interstate), she kicked the door open and flung herself out onto the pavement. Because the truck was moving slowly, she did not die from the impact. She got up, bloody, dazed, and naked, and had the sense to cross the median of the interstate and start flagging traffic. Someone picked her up, called 911, and she was saved. She would never fully recover, as you can imagine.

When I pass groups of trucks parked in rest stops or congregated in empty parking lots, I get queasy remembering this. I will never forget. There is an underworld on the road that I cannot even bear to think about. And it scares me very seriously. I know I should call and report these drinking truck drivers. But something tells me that, if its so common, LE already knows its an issue. All they have to do is have an undercover presence at any of these interstate gas stops. I don't think this is a big priority because it would be easy enough to stop. I'm not sure of the reasons why it is NOT stopped. But I'm not giving up my life fighting it.

We have cut way back on driving later at night tho.

 

[FruitTingles]

Because it is a civil divorce judge ' ordering' a mother not to drink while
her kids are in the car with her. Well DUH, that is already a major criminal law.

So having a judge give you a ' two year order' not to drink and drive with your kids is kind of a joke, imo. Of course you are not allowed to drink with your kids in the car.

But she was obviously doing it in the first place and needed to be told not to. That does not mean it is a joke.
A judge isn't going to tell her not to do it, just for his/her own amusement.

 

[Ransom]

Because it is a civil divorce judge ' ordering' a mother not to drink while
her kids are in the car with her. Well DUH, that is already a major criminal law.

So having a judge give you a ' two year order' not to drink and drive with your kids is kind of a joke, imo. Of course you are not allowed to drink with your kids in the car.

eta: imo, if this judge actually believed she was drinking while driving with her kids, he could have
sent her to rehab or sent the kids to live with someone else.

BBM: No it's not. Where is that coming from? No one ever said "criminal"... wtheck.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

WHY is a judges order a "joke"? Don't get this.

because no one should be drink driving to begin with and we don't know if it is fact that ER ever did drink drive with the children in the car.


A few years ago a friend of mine was going through a bad break up, her ex made up whopping great lies about her and didn't have to prove them, he tried saying she was always drinking and taking drugs, which she wasn't, she told the court that she was willing to take any test they liked whenever they wanted her to, the court ordered her ex to take the tests, they knew who was lying.

 

[PaulR]

Because it is a civil divorce judge ' ordering' a mother not to drink while
her kids are in the car with her. Well DUH, that is already a major criminal law.

So having a judge give you a ' two year order' not to drink and drive with your kids is kind of a joke, imo. Of course you are not allowed to drink with your kids in the car.

If people followed the law, we wouldn't need judges.

 

[FruitTingles]

Wow, I clearly need to step away from here for a while. If only I could have a wine or two.


Maybe there will be some good news when I come back <modsnip>.

:seeya:

 

[Abby Normal Again]

Yeah, well, bulletin boards are pretty public. I don't imagine these drivers are advertising their illegal activities that could cost them their licenses. :floorlaugh:

We met them at Loves and Pilot stations all across the country.

I was only giving you an accessible place to reference those immersed in the culture.

I grew up in this culture. I've known hundreds of truck drivers over years and years. I've yet to meet ONE who would seriously drink, although I've met many who would joke about it.

It completely goes against everything I've established as a norm in my time. Therefore I spoke to that.

And my opinion remains. If MR was able to hold a CDL for any length of time, I believe he can turn off the need to drink. Because those who drink don't last long in the industry. ZERO tolerance. One time caught, even in your private vehicle or 3 points on your license and your CDL is revoked. That's federal, local police aren't risking themselves covering for these guys.

For all we know, though, MR has had his CDL revoked. I did qualify my assessment with that possibility and I stand by it.

 

[katydid23]

BBM: No it's not. Where is that coming from? No one ever said "criminal"... wtheck.

It is a criminal offense to drive drunk with your kids. iT is a felony if you get in a wreck. And you can be arrested even if you don't crash.

 

[Ransom]

because no one should be drink driving to begin with and we don't know if it is fact that ER ever did drink drive with the children in the car.

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BBM:
A JUDGE issued an order for her to STOP that. Get it? A judge. Not me, nor you, nor some friend... a JUDGE in a court case in 2005 issued a protective order.

 

[OneLove]

But she was obviously doing it in the first place and needed to be told not to. That does not mean it is a joke.
A judge isn't going to tell her not to do it, just for his/her own amusement.

She was not obviously doing it in the first place. There is NOTHING to suggest she was doing it EVER except for the word of Mark Redwine. And we now know some things that bring his 'word' on anything into question.

That's the point.

And a judge would have no choice but to grant this ridiculous order if no one showed up to contest it.

And I could understand a frightened ER choosing to stand down. Her sons were much younger then and much more vulnerable to explosive temper and violence. I would like to know if he had ever threatened to take the sons and disappear with them. I would like to hear HER story on why he took the boys out of school that day. And the reason he gave the teachers and school administration.

 

[asyousay]

How does this help find Dylan ?