CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #14

[Eileen730]

Did Mark Redwine go back home that morning?

MR is the only one that can fill in the missing pieces.
And If they dont know where he was from 11 am to 4 pm I dont think hes telling them what they need to know. Thats JMO

 

[Eileen730]

Oh no I'm so sorry. That's horrible.
My nephew in 1st grade had a classmate die
last year at the dentist's office just getting
routine cleaning under ' gas' anesthesia.
Crazy stuff happens. So sad for that family .
I'll be thinking of you .

I had a Gf of mine when we were back in NY and her child died at the dentists also
and same in this case it was the anesthesia.

Im telling ya its scary!

thanks for your thoughts!

 

[Eileen730]

I'm trying my best to understand the reasoning behind someone thinking it's hinky to get back with an ex. Can you (or someone) explain the reasoning behind thinking this is suspicious? (I don't get it.)

My husband and I divorced and after 5 yrs are back together.
Our relationship is better now.
Nothing Hinky about it it happens often.

 

[mmmagique]

I wonder if this is why the older brother commented that he's not sure who his father is (sorry don't have a quote but read it in a post here earlier today).

here it is: http://news.gcu.edu/2012/12/search-continues-for-13-year-old-brother-of-gcu-enrollment-counselor/

I took it more as a I'm trying to learn who my father is inside his own mind and heart rather than, I'm not sure who my biological dad is.

 

[mmmagique]

a commenter on a news story mentioned that MR is unaccounted for between 11AM-4:30PM on Monday. I never realized that. Has anyone heard of MR's whereabouts or activities between 11-4?

Trying to text in an area with spotty reception is the best I got. I would assume he was hanging out at the house waiting for Dylan, since he was supposed to be giving him a ride.

 

[SCHMAE]

You know I've been really fairly convinced from day one that MR was likely responsible. But there are some things I cannot get passed when it comes to that.
A) Why would MR want Dylan permanently out of his life?
Seems if he wanted that , they were already basically estranged and now
Dylan lives in another city. Problem solved.......he's out of your life.
So why go to an elaborate court process/plane ticket expense to
FURTHER get him out of your life? It makes no sense. So that leaves
B) the option I feel is more likely, an accident/ explosion. MR loses his
cool and an incident takes place. The problem with this theory is that
most spur of the moment incidents would leave MOUNDS of evidence.
Since there seems to be none, how can that be? MR would have to be
the luckiest man on earth for an unplanned incident to take place that
leaves not one shred of evidence pointing to him or to ANYONE for that
matter.

Hinky meter says MR but most of the logic says it cannot be.

 

[tamild]

I'm trying my best to understand the reasoning behind someone thinking it's hinky to get back with an ex. Can you (or someone) explain the reasoning behind thinking this is suspicious? (I don't get it.)

Hi mmmagique I can't speak for honeybun, of course, but I think the concern that many posters had was that MR could have jealousy issues relating to ER and her fiance. HTH!

 

[asyousay]

The thing is MR could of done anything the time he had spare ( if guilty which he may not be )

About 10 hours between 8pm and the morning and then 11am till 4:30pm . So I can see this case never being solved IMO .

Think would could of been done in about 13/14 hours !

 

[SCHMAE]

Hi mmmagique I can't speak for honeybun, of course, but I think the concern that many posters had was that MR could have jealousy issues relating to ER and her fiance. HTH!

Yes that's what I'm thinking. Its' pretty natural and common to be jealous of one's x. So possibly during the MR ER marriage, MR was always jealous of the first hubby. Perhaps when things started to fall apart, ER was paying more attention to x hubby. Maybe an affair with x hubby even caused the MR ER marriage to fail. Who knows? So while the events themselves are not hinky ish, MR's reaction or attitude about it may explain a lot of the tension between the two today. I'm imaging things like '' he was always a better hub than you '' Or from the x to MR ' you werent' man enough to keep her'' . OF course I just made those statements up and they were never said by these parties, to my knowledge. But You know people in heat of divorce say these kind of things to hurt each other. Some people are able to ignore them and others are not.

Ugh and then I thought of something horrible.......... supposed Dylan said something unforgivable in MR 's mind like " mike? is a way better dad than you , I wish I was his kid instead'' .... pretty common kinda talk for a mad 13 yr old and it would have gone all over MR.

 

[tamild]

You know I've been really fairly convinced from day one that MR was likely responsible. But there are some things I cannot get passed when it comes to that.
A) Why would MR want Dylan permanently out of his life?
Seems if he wanted that , they were already basically estranged and now
Dylan lives in another city. Problem solved.......he's out of your life.
So why go to an elaborate court process/plane ticket expense to
FURTHER get him out of your life? It makes no sense. So that leaves
B) the option I feel is more likely, an accident/ explosion. MR loses his
cool and an incident takes place. The problem with this theory is that
most spur of the moment incidents would leave MOUNDS of evidence.
Since there seems to be none, how can that be? MR would have to be
the luckiest man on earth for an unplanned incident to take place that
leaves not one shred of evidence pointing to him or to ANYONE for that
matter.

Hinky meter says MR but most of the logic says it cannot be.

BBM
Schmae-I am right there with you on this. If we add to that the fact that MR seemed to do everything right-kept his appointments, called Dylan's phone, checked with his friends, and as a last resort, checked with his ex-I don't know...it all sounds pretty above-board to me. JMO

 

[Eileen730]

You know I've been really fairly convinced from day one that MR was likely responsible. But there are some things I cannot get passed when it comes to that.
A) Why would MR want Dylan permanently out of his life?
Seems if he wanted that , they were already basically estranged and now
Dylan lives in another city. Problem solved.......he's out of your life.
So why go to an elaborate court process/plane ticket expense to
FURTHER get him out of your life? It makes no sense. So that leaves
B) the option I feel is more likely, an accident/ explosion. MR loses his
cool and an incident takes place. The problem with this theory is that
most spur of the moment incidents would leave MOUNDS of evidence.
Since there seems to be none, how can that be? MR would have to be
the luckiest man on earth for an unplanned incident to take place that
leaves not one shred of evidence pointing to him or to ANYONE for that
matter.

Hinky meter says MR but most of the logic says it cannot be.

I dont think he wanted him out of his life. I honestly believe he was looking forward to this visit. I think he got mad because maybe Dylan was more interested in his friends and texting than dad. I dont think Dad knew how to handle a teen that wants nothing to do with parents and just wants to be with friends texting and online stuff they dont have time for us Its just how it is we al go thru it. My kids have to leave their phones in a basket till dinner is over.

If ya take someone with maybe anger issues to start with and add a tempermental teen things can happen.

I think this was an argument that went horribly wrong..
It wasnt premeditated in any way.
Alll JMO

 

[mmmagique]

But she was obviously doing it in the first place and needed to be told not to. That does not mean it is a joke.
A judge isn't going to tell her not to do it, just for his/her own amusement.

What makes you believe she was obviously doing it in the first place? Civil courts (especially family court) do not have the burden of proof criminal court does.

 

[mmmagique]

BBM: No it's not. Where is that coming from? No one ever said "criminal"... wtheck.

Katydid was saying it's already the law not to drink and drive with your kids in the car, so a court mandate telling you *not* to break the law can be seen as kind of silly. (especially when the order only lasts for two years)

 

[Eileen730]

The thing is MR could of done anything the time he had spare ( if guilty which he may not be )

About 10 hours between 8pm and the morning and then 11am till 4:30pm . So I can see this case never being solved IMO .

Think would could of been done in about 13/14 hours !

I dont think dylan made it home that sunday evening.
Dylan could have been moved to another location.

 

[tamild]

:what:

What about the ' friend' whose house he went to see if Dylan was there?
That has not been verified? A nameless, faceless friend he just said he
went to check but maybe that friend doesn't remember MR coming by ?
yikes !

This is what Bender had to say on NG:

Sergeant Dan Bender is joining us, spokesperson from La Plata County sheriff`s office. Have the friends, the little friends, been interviewed?

BENDER: We have interviewed everyone that we`ve been able to identify who knew or had any time spent with Dylan, and several of those have been multiple interviews.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1211/28/ng.01.html

I take that to mean that this particular friend would've been interviewed. I would think that LE would've checked to be sure MR arrived there. Thoughts?

 

[Donjeta]

You know I've been really fairly convinced from day one that MR was likely responsible. But there are some things I cannot get passed when it comes to that.
A) Why would MR want Dylan permanently out of his life?
Seems if he wanted that , they were already basically estranged and now
Dylan lives in another city. Problem solved.......he's out of your life.
So why go to an elaborate court process/plane ticket expense to
FURTHER get him out of your life? It makes no sense. So that leaves
B) the option I feel is more likely, an accident/ explosion. MR loses his
cool and an incident takes place. The problem with this theory is that
most spur of the moment incidents would leave MOUNDS of evidence.
Since there seems to be none, how can that be? MR would have to be
the luckiest man on earth for an unplanned incident to take place that
leaves not one shred of evidence pointing to him or to ANYONE for that
matter.

Hinky meter says MR but most of the logic says it cannot be.

BBM. Hmm. I guess it would depend on where the incident took place. I mean, if it didn't happen at home or in their vehicle or any obvious places that they are known to frequent there could be mounds of evidence somewhere that no one has searched yet.

(I haven't followed the case and I have no opinion about who is likely to have done what. Just a general thought.)

 

[mmmagique]

You know I've been really fairly convinced from day one that MR was likely responsible. But there are some things I cannot get passed when it comes to that.
A) Why would MR want Dylan permanently out of his life?
Seems if he wanted that , they were already basically estranged and now
Dylan lives in another city. Problem solved.......he's out of your life.
So why go to an elaborate court process/plane ticket expense to
FURTHER get him out of your life? It makes no sense. So that leaves
B) the option I feel is more likely, an accident/ explosion. MR loses his
cool and an incident takes place. The problem with this theory is that
most spur of the moment incidents would leave MOUNDS of evidence.
Since there seems to be none, how can that be? MR would have to be
the luckiest man on earth for an unplanned incident to take place that
leaves not one shred of evidence pointing to him or to ANYONE for that
matter.

Hinky meter says MR but most of the logic says it cannot be.

A. Maybe he didn't love his child more than he hated his ex?

B. He had a lot of time for clean up (if an accident did happen)

There's always option C. Someone got really lucky, and was in the right place at the wrong time. : /

 

[Abby Normal Again]

On Oct. 7, 2005, Dylan's dad Mark Redwine requested protection against him mom Elaine saying she was "drinking and driving with kids." A judge temporarily ordered her not to drive the kids around or even be with them while under the influence.http://www.9news.com/rss/story.aspx?storyid=303598

Since we don't have access to the court order, it's impossible to know the exact wording. We only have the reporter's interpretation.

I'm thinking the court order probably stated that ER was A) prohibited from driving the kids anywhere, as well as B) prohibited from being intoxicated while with them.

I'd be surprised if the court order actually stated that ER was prohibited from "drinking & driving with the children in the car", since drinking & driving is already prohibited by law, regardless of whether or not one has children in the car.

I think the reporter's wording has caused much confusion.

That is exactly how I interpreted it as well. Which is why I said that the judge may have had some reason to believe it was true.

 

[SCHMAE]

A. Maybe he didn't love his child more than he hated his ex?

B. He had a lot of time for clean up (if an accident did happen)

There's always option C. Someone got really lucky, and was in the right place at the wrong time. : /

Yes there are other options and I've not ruled them out either.
I just meant for MR's involvement only. MR just seems a
reasonable choice and yet he doesn't at the same time.
I can honestly say I would hate to be L E in a case like
this.

 

[JustJeannie]

The thing is MR could of done anything the time he had spare ( if guilty which he may not be )

About 10 hours between 8pm and the morning and then 11am till 4:30pm . So I can see this case never being solved IMO .

Think would could of been done in about 13/14 hours !

Yes, it's a lot of hours of unverified time. But where I have a problem with the "accident in a moment of rage" idea is that I would think if that happened, your immediate reaction would be "OMG, What have I done?" and that you would pretty much fall apart mentally. (At least I believe I would feel that way.) How could you go about disposing of a body, planning your alibi as best as it could be made, while thinking about what you had just done? How could you show up in town Monday morning and act normally? In a small town like that, if he wasn't acting normally, you would think the gossip mill would be all over it once news of his disappearance become public. At least in every small town I've ever been in, it would be. And we haven't heard any of that. (Not saying LE hasn't heard it and they aren't sharing... but people talk when things like that happen. And not just to LE.)

You'd have to dispose of the body somewhere fairly far away, but close enough that you could be in town Monday morning. (And I would think somewhere it could be found in a relatively short time period, so you could bring your child home to bury him. If it was an accident in a moment of rage, it makes sense to me that you would want that.) You'd have to act normal and like absolutely nothing was wrong, despite knowing what you had done. You'd have to be thinking of every possible little item that could trip your story up. And then you have to go home and sit and wait until you thought it was "safe" to report him missing. I'd think at that point you'd go home, text his phone, and then immediately head to the friend's house and get the search going, just so you could start showing your true emotions.

Maybe MR could do that... I couldn't. And that is what makes the possibilty a difficult one for me to accept.

All JMO, of course. I'm still fence sitting.

What I do know is that I want Dylan to be found and brought home. Soon.