CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #14

[asyousay]

I would buy him randomally being snatched if it fitted but why did he not use his mobile phone after 8pm .

The night before he let down his friends and had to cancel his plans who he really wanted to meet up with . Ok so why does not contact them to explain why he did not meet up with them the following morning , after all the night before he did ??


I am hoping for LE they have some kind of idea of what happened but just lack any kind of proof .

 

[aust amateur slueth]

You know I've been really fairly convinced from day one that MR was likely responsible. But there are some things I cannot get passed when it comes to that.
A) Why would MR want Dylan permanently out of his life?
Seems if he wanted that , they were already basically estranged and now
Dylan lives in another city. Problem solved.......he's out of your life.
So why go to an elaborate court process/plane ticket expense to
FURTHER get him out of your life? It makes no sense. So that leaves
B) the option I feel is more likely, an accident/ explosion. MR loses his
cool and an incident takes place. The problem with this theory is that
most spur of the moment incidents would leave MOUNDS of evidence.
Since there seems to be none, how can that be? MR would have to be
the luckiest man on earth for an unplanned incident to take place that
leaves not one shred of evidence pointing to him or to ANYONE for that
matter.

Hinky meter says MR but most of the logic says it cannot be.

he'd also have to be the most unluckiest man to have so many coincidences happen within 24 hours of his sons arrival and disappearance.

your first option I'd say possible jealousy anger hurt and maybe financial

option b possible but super lucky if there was not one shred of evidence


I took a step downstairs which was interesting

 

[alp1981]

hello everyone. i have quietly sat and read along in this forum since dylan went missing. i have kept myself up to date on any news media coverage. since i have a photographic memory i can pretty much say i know everything that has been released...
i am proud to be a member of the united states of america and i believe in the justice system. the american way has always been innocent until proven guilty. freedom of speech is also the american way. i can see how there is a "thin" line many of you walk while debating different theories here. i see no harm in a good debate as long as the facts are straight and no mud slinging slander is thrown around. i know most of you are probably thinking, "who is this newb and why should we even bother to read her post?". you should read my post because i was an outsider looking in and what i might have to say could prove some valid points. here are a few thoughts i have gathered since dylan went missing til now. i should also point out that these are JUST MY OPINIONS. it seems that is the common thing to do in these forums.
1. out of the dozens of cases nationwide that have happened within the past decade or two why is dylans case the only one to not receive as much/barely any media attention? why are the parents not pleading on a daily basis for dylans return? why has LE not addressed the media? it makes you wonder.... with that being said i can only conclude that LE is hiding some very important evidence OR they lack evidence and are at a stand still. i am leaning towards lack of evidence. they are no farther ahead today than they were 3 weeks ago.
2. every human will react to trauma different than the next. you cannot assume guilt or lack of guilt by how a person reacts. if your child went missing how would you act? its too horrible to even think about. MR and ER's actions or lack of actions should not be used as evidence against them at this point in time. i totally understand ER and her initial outbursts but that is basically "at the heat of the moment". she has since spoke with police and stopped waving an accusing finger. those were just the defensive actions of a normal mother freaking out. leave it for what it really is, there is no need to read too much in to that.
3. the cell phone! i have a 14 year old sister (yes i am more than twice her age) who always has her cell near her as well but its not attached to her dang hip! she can set it down or put it on a pocket. just this past thanksgiving she turned it off so she wouldnt be bothered while having thanksgiving dinner with all of us. it was no big deal. cell phones are important to many kids but its certainly not their blood and they will not die if they do not make a phone call or text. give them more credit. my sister doesnt reach for her phone as soon as she opens her eyes in the morning. she is too busy farting around. eating and probably watching tv! sound familiar?
4. unless LE is holding on to some vital clues than dylans friends should be investigated farther. those areas where his friends reside should also be processed. there are also quite a few vacation resorts/cabins of sorts. this is an area for those who vacation. i did not read anywhere that these places were searched inside and out. perhaps that would be a good place to search next.

until LE gives me good reason to suspect MR i will continue forming thoughts and theories that so not revolve around him. all of you here at this forum seem to really care about the safe return of this child and that is great! i would love nothing more than to see him walk through his parents door unharmed. im not sure of a good word to use here but i guess "tunnel vision" comes to mind. some of you here seem to have already made up your mind as to what has happened. maybe you are right. maybe you are wrong. i dont know. but i do know that i will continue to look at everything we (general public) have access to and i will try my best to work from to formulate what has happened. its very hard to form an opinion when barely any evidence has been presented to us.
it seems many people can agree to disagree here but atleast everyones heart is in the right place and THAT is finding dylan

 

[Eileen730]

That is exactly how I interpreted it as well. Which is why I said that the judge may have had some reason to believe it was true.

IF she was caught drinking and driving with her children in the car they would take her LIC away. I dont think this was the case. Thing is with protective orders
Unless LE caught her drinking and driving how can it be proven? Its a he said she did case. the judge will say dont drink and drive with your kids in the car.

Drinking and driving with your kids in the car is serious.

Sadly I think there was alot of game playing in this fractured family!

 

[tamild]

hello everyone. i have quietly sat and read along in this forum since dylan went missing. i have kept myself up to date on any news media coverage. since i have a photographic memory i can pretty much say i know everything that has been released...
i am proud to be a member of the united states of america and i believe in the justice system. the american way has always been innocent until proven guilty. freedom of speech is also the american way. i can see how there is a "thin" line many of you walk while debating different theories here. i see no harm in a good debate as long as the facts are straight and no mud slinging slander is thrown around. i know most of you are probably thinking, "who is this newb and why should we even bother to read her post?". you should read my post because i was an outsider looking in and what i might have to say could prove some valid points. here are a few thoughts i have gathered since dylan went missing til now. i should also point out that these are JUST MY OPINIONS. it seems that is the common thing to do in these forums.
1. out of the dozens of cases nationwide that have happened within the past decade or two why is dylans case the only one to not receive as much/barely any media attention? why are the parents not pleading on a daily basis for dylans return? why has LE not addressed the media? it makes you wonder.... with that being said i can only conclude that LE is hiding some very important evidence OR they lack evidence and are at a stand still. i am leaning towards lack of evidence. they are no farther ahead today than they were 3 weeks ago.
2. every human will react to trauma different than the next. you cannot assume guilt or lack of guilt by how a person reacts. if your child went missing how would you act? its too horrible to even think about. MR and ER's actions or lack of actions should not be used as evidence against them at this point in time. i totally understand ER and her initial outbursts but that is basically "at the heat of the moment". she has since spoke with police and stopped waving an accusing finger. those were just the defensive actions of a normal mother freaking out. leave it for what it really is, there is no need to read too much in to that.
3. the cell phone! i have a 14 year old sister (yes i am more than twice her age) who always has her cell near her as well but its not attached to her dang hip! she can set it down or put it on a pocket. just this past thanksgiving she turned it off so she wouldnt be bothered while having thanksgiving dinner with all of us. it was no big deal. cell phones are important to many kids but its certainly not their blood and they will not die if they do not make a phone call or text. give them more credit. my sister doesnt reach for her phone as soon as she opens her eyes in the morning. she is too busy farting around. eating and probably watching tv! sound familiar?
4. unless LE is holding on to some vital clues than dylans friends should be investigated farther. those areas where his friends reside should also be processed. there are also quite a few vacation resorts/cabins of sorts. this is an area for those who vacation. i did not read anywhere that these places were searched inside and out. perhaps that would be a good place to search next.

until LE gives me good reason to suspect MR i will continue forming thoughts and theories that so not revolve around him. all of you here at this forum seem to really care about the safe return of this child and that is great! i would love nothing more than to see him walk through his parents door unharmed. im not sure of a good word to use here but i guess "tunnel vision" comes to mind. some of you here seem to have already made up your mind as to what has happened. maybe you are right. maybe you are wrong. i dont know. but i do know that i will continue to look at everything we (general public) have access to and i will try my best to work from to formulate what has happened. its very hard to form an opinion when barely any evidence has been presented to us.
it seems many people can agree to disagree here but atleast everyones heart is in the right place and THAT is finding dylan

Welcome! :seeya: You raise some very good points. I look forward to your thoughts as we go forward.

 

[nursebeeme]

welcome to websleuths alp1981 :cheer:

that was a beautifully written first post!

 

[Abby Normal Again]

Yes, it's a lot of hours of unverified time. But where I have a problem with the "accident in a moment of rage" idea is that I would think if that happened, your immediate reaction would be "OMG, What have I done?" and that you would pretty much fall apart mentally. (At least I believe I would feel that way.) How could you go about disposing of a body, planning your alibi as best as it could be made, while thinking about what you had just done? How could you show up in town Monday morning and act normally? In a small town like that, if he wasn't acting normally, you would think the gossip mill would be all over it once news of his disappearance become public. At least in every small town I've ever been in, it would be. And we haven't heard any of that. (Not saying LE hasn't heard it and they aren't sharing... but people talk when things like that happen. And not just to LE.)

You'd have to dispose of the body somewhere fairly far away, but close enough that you could be in town Monday morning. (And I would think somewhere it could be found in a relatively short time period, so you could bring your child home to bury him. If it was an accident in a moment of rage, it makes sense to me that you would want that.) You'd have to act normal and like absolutely nothing was wrong, despite knowing what you had done. You'd have to be thinking of every possible little item that could trip your story up. And then you have to go home and sit and wait until you thought it was "safe" to report him missing. I'd think at that point you'd go home, text his phone, and then immediately head to the friend's house and get the search going, just so you could start showing your true emotions.

Maybe MR could do that... I couldn't. And that is what makes the possibilty a difficult one for me to accept.

All JMO, of course. I'm still fence sitting.

What I do know is that I want Dylan to be found and brought home. Soon.

Jumping off/thinking out loud.

The problem I have with disposing of bodies far away (in general) is that the assailant usually has some sort of ties to the dump region, because otherwise you don't have a good sense of what is a remote location.

Think about it- if you are driving off in the middle of the night, in the dark, to dispose of a body, you could end up putting it in farmer's Jones' backyard or right off a hiking trail. It's more likely to be found, even at a distance by strangers, unless you know the area well enough to know what areas are remote. Most of us would be able to find a better hiding place within a half hour than 2-3 hours away. Of course some will get "lucky." I'm just speaking generally.

OT but in this sense, I think they will narrow in on Liz & Lyric's murderer partially because of who has ties to the area they were found.

 

[Eileen730]

I would buy him randomally being snatched if it fitted but why did he not use his mobile phone after 8pm .

The night before he let down his friends and had to cancel his plans who he really wanted to meet up with . Ok so why does not contact them to explain why he did not meet up with them the following morning , after all the night before he did ??


I am hoping for LE they have some kind of idea of what happened but just lack any kind of proof .

Not only that why wouldnt Dylan be texting his friends all night ...this is what they do...
REd FLAG!

 

[mmmagique]

Hi Alp1981, and welcome!

I believe most missing person's cases are NOT on the nightly news and don't get much attention at all. Especially with adults and teenagers who could have run away.

 

[TxLady2]

True! And since he didn't begin to look until after 4:00 and chose to drive the distances instead of phone, it was dark by the time LE was informed. Did he think they would not search for Dylan that night? And why did he not get out and help with the early searching? That is sooooo intriguing. I can understand it MAYBE days later when it's looking pretty dire, but wouldn't that first day AT LEAST have been all about finding Dylan? At least to a parent frantic to find him.

How do we know he didn't begin to look until 4:00? Perhaps he was out looking for miles around the area around his house. Perhaps he was talking to neighbors asking if anyone had seen Dylan. I doubt he was just sitting around doing nothing.
Our little dog disappeared one night several years ago and the next day we spent HOURS just driving up and down the roads and walking through woods, within a 10 mile radius, looking for her and stopping to ask people if they had seen her. It took up the biggest part of the day, but we never found her. Maybe this is what Mark was doing in the 4 hours before he went to the friend's house.

 

[Eileen730]

Jumping off/thinking out loud.

The problem I have with disposing of bodies far away (in general) is that the assailant usually has some sort of ties to the dump region, because otherwise you don't have a good sense of what is a remote location.

Think about it- if you are driving off in the middle of the night, in the dark, to dispose of a body, you could end up putting it in farmer's Jones' backyard or right off a hiking trail. It's more likely to be found, even at a distance by strangers, unless you know the area well enough to know what areas are remote. Most of us would be able to find a better hiding place within a half hour than 2-3 hours away. Of course some will get "lucky." I'm just speaking generally.

OT but in this sense, I think they will narrow in on Liz & Lyric's murderer partially because of who has ties to the area they were found.

How far is it to Denver?

 

[asyousay]

I am on the Fence on how it may of gone down . None of makes much sense as I honestly do not understand how you could kill your child but it happens all the time and it is just sickening .

Maybe a accident happened and he thought nobody would believe him and so covered it ?

I just hope whatever the outcome the family get closure as nothing can be worse than not knowing .

Yes, it's a lot of hours of unverified time. But where I have a problem with the "accident in a moment of rage" idea is that I would think if that happened, your immediate reaction would be "OMG, What have I done?" and that you would pretty much fall apart mentally. (At least I believe I would feel that way.) How could you go about disposing of a body, planning your alibi as best as it could be made, while thinking about what you had just done? How could you show up in town Monday morning and act normally? In a small town like that, if he wasn't acting normally, you would think the gossip mill would be all over it once news of his disappearance become public. At least in every small town I've ever been in, it would be. And we haven't heard any of that. (Not saying LE hasn't heard it and they aren't sharing... but people talk when things like that happen. And not just to LE.)

You'd have to dispose of the body somewhere fairly far away, but close enough that you could be in town Monday morning. (And I would think somewhere it could be found in a relatively short time period, so you could bring your child home to bury him. If it was an accident in a moment of rage, it makes sense to me that you would want that.) You'd have to act normal and like absolutely nothing was wrong, despite knowing what you had done. You'd have to be thinking of every possible little item that could trip your story up. And then you have to go home and sit and wait until you thought it was "safe" to report him missing. I'd think at that point you'd go home, text his phone, and then immediately head to the friend's house and get the search going, just so you could start showing your true emotions.

Maybe MR could do that... I couldn't. And that is what makes the possibilty a difficult one for me to accept.

All JMO, of course. I'm still fence sitting.

What I do know is that I want Dylan to be found and brought home. Soon.

 

[Eileen730]

I am on the Fence on how it may of gone down . None of makes much sense as I honestly do not understand how you could kill your child but it happens all the time and it is just sickening .

Maybe a accident happened and he thought nobody would believe him and so covered it ?

I just hope whatever the outcome the family get closure as nothing can be worse than not knowing .

I think Accident and then he panicked!

 

[Eileen730]

What if this was a fight?
Why would MR cover it up?


Why have we not seen any video of Dad in Walmart?

 

[Eileen730]

I knew a guy that was the nicest guy you would ever want to meet!
Till he got drunk.
He would smash things break things punch walls and faces.

Pass out
and wouldnt remember a thing in the morning!

 

[Money Girl]

Not only that why wouldnt Dylan be texting his friends all night ...this is what they do...
REd FLAG!

Because he had stayed up until 4 a.m. the previous night. He was tired. He went to sleep.

 

[Abby Normal Again]

hello everyone. i have quietly sat and read along in this forum since dylan went missing. i have kept myself up to date on any news media coverage. since i have a photographic memory i can pretty much say i know everything that has been released...
i am proud to be a member of the united states of america and i believe in the justice system. the american way has always been innocent until proven guilty. freedom of speech is also the american way. i can see how there is a "thin" line many of you walk while debating different theories here. i see no harm in a good debate as long as the facts are straight and no mud slinging slander is thrown around. i know most of you are probably thinking, "who is this newb and why should we even bother to read her post?". you should read my post because i was an outsider looking in and what i might have to say could prove some valid points. here are a few thoughts i have gathered since dylan went missing til now. i should also point out that these are JUST MY OPINIONS. it seems that is the common thing to do in these forums.
1. out of the dozens of cases nationwide that have happened within the past decade or two why is dylans case the only one to not receive as much/barely any media attention? why are the parents not pleading on a daily basis for dylans return? why has LE not addressed the media? it makes you wonder.... with that being said i can only conclude that LE is hiding some very important evidence OR they lack evidence and are at a stand still. i am leaning towards lack of evidence. they are no farther ahead today than they were 3 weeks ago.
2. every human will react to trauma different than the next. you cannot assume guilt or lack of guilt by how a person reacts. if your child went missing how would you act? its too horrible to even think about. MR and ER's actions or lack of actions should not be used as evidence against them at this point in time. i totally understand ER and her initial outbursts but that is basically "at the heat of the moment". she has since spoke with police and stopped waving an accusing finger. those were just the defensive actions of a normal mother freaking out. leave it for what it really is, there is no need to read too much in to that.
3. the cell phone! i have a 14 year old sister (yes i am more than twice her age) who always has her cell near her as well but its not attached to her dang hip! she can set it down or put it on a pocket. just this past thanksgiving she turned it off so she wouldnt be bothered while having thanksgiving dinner with all of us. it was no big deal. cell phones are important to many kids but its certainly not their blood and they will not die if they do not make a phone call or text. give them more credit. my sister doesnt reach for her phone as soon as she opens her eyes in the morning. she is too busy farting around. eating and probably watching tv! sound familiar?
4. unless LE is holding on to some vital clues than dylans friends should be investigated farther. those areas where his friends reside should also be processed. there are also quite a few vacation resorts/cabins of sorts. this is an area for those who vacation. i did not read anywhere that these places were searched inside and out. perhaps that would be a good place to search next.

until LE gives me good reason to suspect MR i will continue forming thoughts and theories that so not revolve around him. all of you here at this forum seem to really care about the safe return of this child and that is great! i would love nothing more than to see him walk through his parents door unharmed. im not sure of a good word to use here but i guess "tunnel vision" comes to mind. some of you here seem to have already made up your mind as to what has happened. maybe you are right. maybe you are wrong. i dont know. but i do know that i will continue to look at everything we (general public) have access to and i will try my best to work from to formulate what has happened. its very hard to form an opinion when barely any evidence has been presented to us.
it seems many people can agree to disagree here but atleast everyones heart is in the right place and THAT is finding dylan

Welcome to Websleuths!!

I agree whole heartedly. As I was telling another poster last night, I learned early on in life that sometimes the people who look the most squeaky clean are the hugest danger to society. Sometimes the rough biker guy with a list of small criminal infractions is seriously good people.

I don't know if MR is guilty, but I do know that I believe he shouldn't be hung, literally or in public opinion, until there is more than feelings and impressions to go on. Especially while he's being so cooperative with LE- a manhunt in the public spotlight could very well impede the investigation IMO.

When I read anywhere online after a crime, I totally understand why so many innocent were put in jail prior to developing forensic science only to be released with the advancement of DNA technology.

 

[Ransom]

How far is it to Denver?

6 1/2 - 7 hours depending on which way you go. That's one way. Dan Bender has verified that MR was where he said he was Monday morning Nov. 19th.

[ame="http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Denver,+CO&daddr=2343+County+Road+500,+San+Juan+National+Forest,+Bayfield,+CO+81122&hl=en&sll=37.469762,-107.55&sspn=0.009486,0.016394&geocode=Fd9YXgIdcg---SnPFx8jqoBrhzHWNoon-PSOEQ%3BFUK-OwId0OqW-SljX9CbQJo-hzH2WJAhlwW_eg&mra=ls&t=m&z=7"]Denver, CO to 2343 County Road 500, Bayfield, CO 81122 - Google Maps[/ame]

 

[Eileen730]

Because he had stayed up until 4 a.m. the previous night. He was tired. He went to sleep.

LOL No way!
Im not buying that one! sorry.
he didnt run a marathon. It was a weekend no school.
He took a plane ride.
He would text! If not friends there his friends back in colorado springs.

Im sorry I cant buy into the tired story but that just me.

 

[Eileen730]

6 1/2 - 7 hours depending on which way you go. That's one way. Dan Bender has verified that MR was where he said he was Monday morning Nov. 19th.

Denver, CO to 2343 County Road 500, Bayfield, CO 81122 - Google Maps

Ok thanks but after 11 am where dd he go?
We dont even really know if he went back to the house do we?