CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #15

[aust amateur slueth]

ER works as a financial aid office for a university/college. I would think under those conditions, and knowing the IT programs the way I do, that a financial aid officer would define someone as tech savvy if they understood the workings of computers. For example building, fixing, working with servers, programming much like you have stated above.

Dylan did not have his cell phone in the pictures of either the airport or walmart which I found odd.

I was concerned when my children were texting at 4000 texts a day and felt they were not involved in other things enough. I could not even imagine texting 10k or 30k texts in a month.

I didn't find it odd at all, not all kids are surgically attached to their phones while they are in an airport or a store. Some kids realise the danger of walking into people or things if they are texting and walking

 

[katydid23]

Elaine said that she had to bring something from home, and I think it was on NG that clothes left at Mark's house were mentioned and she said she hadn't heard anything about them. She may have just assumed they needed something because they said he took everything with him. I find it all confusing and frustrating.

ETA: I think I remembered what the deal was, but I have no idea where I read it (I didn't see it on the prayer vigil page). I think I remember reading that they followed the scent for whatever distance and lost it, but weren't 100% sure it was HIS scent because they didn't have a clean scent to use. I think or MOO or something.

BBM
THANK YOU. That is exactly what I read.

And if you think about it, it makes sense. If Dylans backpack is gone, with everything in it, then how could they give the dogs a proper scent item?

 

[demetra]

I am so confused by the conversation on the dogs searching and was there a sent or not? this article was printed on 11/24 updated 11/25 and it says..About 200 volunteers and law enforcement officials from agencies including the FBI, the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children and K9 search-and-rescue crews continue to go door-to-door..so the dogs were searching more than just the lake,when did they receive clothes from mom?
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22059208/hundreds-help-search-13-year-old-vallecito-boy?source=pkg

 

[Public_Hysteria]

IIRC, they didn't have anything with a clear scent on it, which is why ER had to bring items of clothing with her.

This doesn't imply that Dylan was never there, it just means there was nothing with a CLEAR scent on it. As the couch he was sleeping on likely had other people on it before, and there were no unwashed items of clothing at his house, there was nothing with a non-contaminated scent on it. Dylan primarily lives with ER, so it makes sense that she would be more likely to have an article of clothing (or something similar) that would have Dylan's clear scent on it (ie. only Dylan's scent would be picked up on it), seeing as he primarily lives with her.

JMO :moo:

 

[katydid23]

I am so confused by the conversation on the dogs searching and was there a sent or not? this article was printed on 11/24 updated 11/25 and it says..About 200 volunteers and law enforcement officials from agencies including the FBI, the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children and K9 search-and-rescue crews continue to go door-to-door..so the dogs were searching more than just the lake,when did they receive clothes from mom?
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22059208/hundreds-help-search-13-year-old-vallecito-boy?source=pkg

She brought the items on the weekend, so that would have been the 24th and 25th. IIRC

 

[JustCryssy]

Please help me. I have become excessively confused with this case.

Did Dylan take everything with him or did he leave clothes on the couch as described in the MR home interview?

Either way... where did the clothing description come from?
Are they just assuming that he's still wearing what he had on the night before?
Is that what he slept in?
If so.. why would there be clothes on the couch?

EHHHH! I'm confuzzled again!

 

[princessk]

Okay. It's late and I don't feel like going to look for the video of his mother's comments. But if it was a flip phone we know it was old. It would not have to be old for the battery to die anyway. Faulty battery, lots of use, there are a number of reasons it would go dead. And it is something I would rather believe than that his father ripped it out of his hands and destroyed it or something even more sinister. jmo

Old flip phone. that does not necessarily mean the phone itself is old. I just got my mother a "brand new" "old" as in "style" flip phone. Figure of speech.

 

[princessk]

IIRC, they didn't have anything with a clear scent on it, which is why ER had to bring items of clothing with her.

This doesn't imply that Dylan was never there, it just means there was nothing with a CLEAR scent on it. As the couch he was sleeping on likely had other people on it before, and there were no unwashed items of clothing at his house, there was nothing with a non-contaminated scent on it. Dylan primarily lives with ER, so it makes sense that she would be more likely to have an article of clothing (or something similar) that would have Dylan's clear scent on it (ie. only Dylan's scent would be picked up on it), seeing as he primarily lives with her.

JMO :moo:

Wow. How could there not be a clear scent of the boy when he supposedly slept in late and went to bed early on that couch? Just sayin

 

[aust amateur slueth]

Wow. How could there not be a clear scent of the boy when he supposedly slept in late and went to bed early on that couch? Just sayin

because other people sit on the couch and could have used the blankets too

 

[Sigh Sister]

Please help me. I have become excessively confused with this case.

Did Dylan take everything with him or did he leave clothes on the couch as described in the MR home interview?

Either way... where did the clothing description come from?
Are they just assuming that he's still wearing what he had on the night before?
Is that what he slept in?
If so.. why would there be clothes on the couch?

EHHHH! I'm confuzzled again!

I think we all would like definitive answers to these questions. So much is unclear.

 

[princessk]

because other people sit on the couch and could have used the blankets too

So? The boy had just slept there for 12 hours.

 

[JustCryssy]

So? The boy had just slept there for 12 hours.

That's my feeling on the "no scent" issue.

There had to be hair somewhere on there. A child is missing.. FIND ONE!


The "took everything" vs "clothes still on the couch" thing haunts me.
It puts the "someone is lying" spin very heavily on this case.

 

[princessk]

I guess what I am saying is this...if the mother brought in clothes (not contaminated) with Dylan's scent, then Le should at least be able to determine pretty fast if Dylan was on that couch or not. Question is, are the tracking dogs able to detect a fresh strong scent compared to an old scent of him being there 2 months ago. I would think so, but I don't know the answer to that question

 

[aust amateur slueth]

So? The boy had just slept there for 12 hours.

yesso we have been told, but there could have been a few people sit or sleep under that blanket in the last week therefore the scent would be mixed

 

[Public_Hysteria]

So? The boy had just slept there for 12 hours.

But they would not be able to ascertain whether they were picking up Dylan's scent on the couch or not without something that HAD his scent on it. So they needed a scent item with ONLY Dylan's scent on it (the clothing that ER brought) to be able to verify whether it was his scent they were picking up or not, seeing as a couch is fairly communal and probably had quite a few others who sat on it, leaving their scent behind to contaminate Dylan's.

I have absolutely no knowledge in searching with dogs, only what I've picked up here, but it's my understanding that you need something that clearly has someone's scent on it to be able to find out whether that exact scent is picked up in places where others peoples scent is also present.

JMO.

ETA: From your last comment I see that I misunderstood where you were coming from, I apologize. I don't believe any information regarding the dog searches has been released, so as yet I don't believe we know whether a fresh scent showing he had been there the night before has been found or not. I think that's why I feel so frustrated, we have pretty much nothing to go on.

 

[catswhiskers]

IIRC someone posted information in one of the earliest threads here for DR about just how fussy and specific LE are usually about selecting suitable items to use with the tracking dogs. It makes sense to me that if they only have the couch or blankets to use, there is a strong chance that they will get mixed scents - possibly even picking up MR's scent predominantly.

 

[SCHMAE]

the crumbs that we currently have are all here.

That being said it is a good time to remind everyone about social media and main stream media and well any media sorts of comments...: THEY ARE RUMORS.

They are not facts. How can you tell if "sally so and so" signed into a media site is really the "sally so and so" that you know is related to a case? Fact: you cannot. All comments anywhere and everywhere are rumors. If you find one that you have concerns with or think something else backs it up (re: with facts in the case or facts kept under your hat) personal message a mod for consideration.


How to talk about comments: you can link to an acceptable article or link and say "see the comments" or "interesting comments" or paraphrase the comment with a link: that being said it is still considered a rumor and has no basis in fact other than it is a comment and it is NOT TO BE DISCUSSED OR SLEUTHED FURTHER (caps are because we had a recent problem with this).

I was wondering if it was possible to contact a reporter and tell them what sally so n so says and see if they could dig into it. That being said I tought about what sally so n so said and think if there were any truth to it, the local reporters would have been blasting that info loud and clear like 2.5 weeks ago, right?

 

[SCHMAE]

Using what?

I'd say maybe just speaking. What if they ran into POI at Mcdonalds or the gas
station or he's a neighbor they passed on the street on the way back to MR's house,a trusted friend. " hey kiddo I see you made it to town "' ... Dylan tells him he's going to friends in the morning, but trusted neighbor sees MR leave by himself in the morning, so he knows Dylans still at home. Just theories, but there's tons if you think about it. too many really .

 

[mmmagique]

oh my you guys..the phone was in flames...the phone was actually, LITERALLY smoking??...really??.. I would really like to know who has really seen a cell phone while in use go up in flames..yet was still functioning and fully usable after the phone had flames coming from it??...really?

who has seen a cell phone go up in flames while in use or immediately after its used, period?..the same goes for a cell phone with smoke billowing from it?

IMO without a shadow of a doubt mom in talking about what an avid and heavy texter that Dylan was used the phrase the "phone would be left smoking" due to Dylan's having been burning it up with the amount texting he was doing..

Seriously a cell phone that has had flames emitting from it..smoke literally exuding from the actual cell phone yet the phone was still fully functioning??..not to mention functionimg to the extent that mom who is in continued contact with her youngest son sends him on the first court ordered visitation with an ex spouse who per her documented court docs has been violent and volatile in the childrens presence prior..she sends him with her only form or way of contact is that cell phone that has been in flames and/or smoke literally billowing from the actual device??

IMO there is just no way in this world that is true..IMO it obviously was a figure of speech used to describe her sons extreme use of texting on his cell phone..jmo

This bears repeating. The phone was not literally in flames, and I highly doubt it was literally smoking.

Many people these days use literally when they should be saying figuratively. As in, "He literally flew across the room at me." No, no he didn't. (unless he's a warlock or a bird) I stress this to my children all the time, as it's a pet peeve of mine.

 

[mmmagique]

Why would it have to be old if it was a flip phone? My 12yo has a Samsung Convoy which is a flip phone and it is less than a year old. Unlike my teen, B just isn't that into his phone and throws it around wherever when he is home. The Convoy is small, has an excellent battery life and is freaking indestructible so it is perfect for a young boy that needs a phone but doesn't care much about actually taking care of it.


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I got a blackberry curve (I think it was the curve) last year and it was a flip phone.