CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #16

[katydid23]

When your child is missing, it is very important to be truthful and not lie, certainly not to the press and the public who wants to help find Dylan.

As far as I know, ER hasn't apologized for her remarks and IMHO she should.

I don't believe that ER has anything to apologize for.

And it is kind of funny that you are scolding HER for lying and somehow preventing Dylan from being found. Ironic, considering the fact that she was not the last one to see him, nor the one who may be telling some mistruths here. imo

 

[TxJan1971]

When your child is missing, it is very important to be truthful and not lie, certainly not to the press and the public who wants to help find Dylan.

As far as I know, ER hasn't apologized for her remarks and IMHO she should.

I think all of us would agree ... that "BOTH" ER and MR need to be truthful and not lie to the press and the public who want to help find Dylan!:twocents:

 

[dlc]

When your child is missing, it is very important to be truthful and not lie, certainly not to the press and the public who wants to help find Dylan.

As far as I know, ER hasn't apologized for her remarks and IMHO she should.

I must have missed it. When did Mrs. Redwine lie?

Thank you.


*PaulR - Well, I just realized it's 3:30 a.m., so I'm off of here for tonight, but I'll check back tomorrow. Thank you.

 

[katydid23]

One more thing...I have know several men who have changed through the years. Personal experience

So basically, you are saying that the 'old' MR might have been capable of harming Dylan, but not the new improved MR?

 

[PaulR]

There is a very distinct difference between lying and making unfortunate but true comments. I've always felt that ER would have been better advised to keep those early accusations out of the media but what's done is done and she has been more restrained since that time.

I agree about there being a distinct difference, but ER did state that MR hadn't taken the polygraph, then stated that he had taken it, within the space of a few minutes. Both those statements can't be true.

Maybe she was just stressed out by the disappearance of her child and made a misstatement. That happens. She should still apologize to us IMHO.

 

[azgrandma]

Don't forget lying on Nancy Grace on whether MR took the lie detector or not.

I don't believe she lied, it sounded more as if she wanted to say something but couldn't. She did ultimately say that he did take the test.

 

[PaulR]

I must have missed it. When did Mrs. Redwine lie?

Thank you.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1211/28/ng.01.html

GRACE: What do you know about the father`s polygraph?

REDWINE: You know, I don`t know much. I know that, you know, everyone is encouraging him to take that. So hopefully, he will do that soon so we can get him out of the picture, and you know, focus on where Dylan is.

GRACE: Has the father taken a polygraph?

REDWINE: You know, I`m not sure. I know he`s been asked to.

GRACE: Do you know if he took it?

REDWINE: I do not at this time, no.

GRACE: Is it your understanding that he`s failed a polygraph?

REDWINE: No, I don`t think he failed a polygraph. You know, I don`t know the specifics behind that. I don`t think he necessarily failed. But you know, I don`t have any information on that. So it`s real -- it`s real tough for me to answer that question.

GRACE: Elaine, when you were speaking earlier to our producers, you mentioned it was your understanding that he had failed a polygraph.

REDWINE: No, I didn`t say he had failed the polygraph.

GRACE: OK. Good. I`m glad you can clarify that. So what is your understanding, then?

REDWINE: I think it was inconclusive.

 

[SmoothOperator]

azgrandma, THANKS SO MUCH for stepping forward!!
In my now knowing who you are I really reflect on my reply post to you yesterday and how at that point I very much was touched by your open and honest post describing a custody and court situation that sadly all too many of us are familiar with.. and just how very badly the courts can be used and my God the manipulation that can take place by an extremely bitter spouse/exspouse of those court hearings AND ALL AT THE COST OF OUR INNOCENT CHILDREN..

and now to put into perspective that discussion that took place yesterday and now knowing that the individual that you had been through such the nightmare with the custody and the court ordered visitation ..to know its Dylan's father IMO just gives us even more perspective of the horrendous back and forth court battles with Dylan that we, ourselves have read/heard/seen glimpses of..and sadly it does back up IMO the very real fear and terror Elaine has expressed where MR is concerned..and even worse many of us understand what that harsh reality is where Dylan is concerned.

I must say that your son's words were some of the MOST TELLING IMO of whats in his heart KNOWING THE TRUTH..( I expressed this many days ago in detail about WHAT FOR ME THAT I FELT LIKE YOUR SON WAS VERY OBVIOUSLY STRUGGLING WITH PRESENTLY)

When he said that he was trying to figure out who his father is and at the same time struggling with the loss of his brother... this for me personally spoke what a thousand or more words could in expressing that his heart knew that it was very likely his youngest brother was gone..therefor he is struggling with that great loss.. and the fact that HIS words IMMEDIATELY PRECEDING those WORDS, IN THAT SAME SENTENCE, IN THAT SAME BREATH..He very openly and honestly says he is at this present moment trying to figure out who his father is.. IT WAS SUCH A HARD SLAP OF REALITY IMO THAT HIS VERY OWN SON, THO WITH NO INTENT WHATSOEVER, THIS YOUNG MAN'S ENTIRE HEART WAS ON HIS SLEEVE TELLING US WHAT IMO SO MANY OF US HAD FELT IN OUR HEARTS AND MINDS FOR QUITE SOME TIME..

I posted in detail about what my opinion was on how very open, honest, and telling that your sons words were..and that for me so much was said in so very few words..jmo..

Thanks so much, azgrandma for opening up and laying yourself out here on the line and honestly with absolute zero to gain on your part.. I am so sorry for your boys having to deal with such a life shattering change of losing their sibling..their littlest brother, and *POSSIBLY* IMO by the hands of the man with whom they all share as their very own father..

Thanks for stepping forward:hug:

ETA: Below is link to the post of which I replied to yesterday about the manipulation of the court system regarding the custody of our innocent children..
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[PaulR]

I don't believe she lied, it sounded more as if she wanted to say something but couldn't. She did ultimately say that he did take the test.

Understood (and by the way, thank you for coming here and sharing your story, I know it must be very difficult.) My thoughts and prayers are with you.

 

[vasportsmom]

So basically, you are saying that the 'old' MR might have been capable of harming Dylan, but not the new improved MR?

I don't know what Abby and Blondy are trying to say (that could be a comprehension fail on my part) but the sad truth is that abuse tends to escalate not dissipate. We see the tragic results of that cycle here time and time again.

MR has a documented history of violence. Those that know him best are speaking out to confirm that history is accurate. It isn't a stretch to imagine that he acted out in a way consistent with his past behavior and young Dylan paid the ultimate price.


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[katydid23]

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1211/28/ng.01.html

She was not lying, imo. She sounded confused and probably trying to figure out how to explain something that she was maybe not supposed to discuss on the air. She was not saying any of it with confidence---it sounded uncertain all the way through.

I have been in similar situations---not knowing which way to go, or how to walk a thin line, and you sometimes end up giving conflicting statements.

 

[Confusion]

I have a grandkid who wrote me off because her father has filled her with lies about me. Absolute lies. I've loved her, supported her when he wouldn't give them any thing, food, clothing or a place to live. I took her on vacations and always made special time with her. He gets out of prison and tells her a bunch of stuff that isn't true, and voila`, I'm now persona non grata in her life. So to me, that means nothing. All that could mean is there is someone putting a bug in their ear. Not saying so in this case, but I know for a fact it happens because it happened to me.

I know parents whose children want nothing to do with them because their other parent did the same thing. It's not that uncommon, from what I've seen. MOO

 

[PaulR]

As an aside... I haven't mentioned this but my own father had pretty bad anger issues while I was growing up. He was never physical to me, but I still remember his verbal outbursts.

He is a changed man and if you met him today you would find it hard to believe what he used to be like. As a victim of the anger, you still never really forget it.

 

[PaulR]

She was not lying, imo. She sounded confused and probably trying to figure out how to explain something that she was maybe not supposed to discuss on the air. She was not saying any of it with confidence---it sounded uncertain all the way through.

I have been in similar situations---not knowing which way to go, or how to walk a thin line, and you sometimes end up giving conflicting statements.

That's fair. What do you think she was trying to say?

 

[Confusion]

She was not lying, imo. She sounded confused and probably trying to figure out how to explain something that she was maybe not supposed to discuss on the air. She was not saying any of it with confidence---it sounded uncertain all the way through.

I have been in similar situations---not knowing which way to go, or how to walk a thin line, and you sometimes end up giving conflicting statements.

Isn't that called lying? :waitasec:

 

[azgrandma]

Thank you so very much for those wonderful and kind words. The pain that my children are going through is nothing compared to what ER and CR are going through and they very well know and understand that. Our focus is Dylan, once he is home safe and sound then we can work on the other challenges being put before all of us, but for now, Dylan needs to be home, comfy and cozy in a bed and trying to figure out his Christmas gifts.

 

[Confusion]

I don't know what Abby and Blondy are trying to say (that could be a comprehension fail on my part) but the sad truth is that abuse tends to escalate not dissipate. We see the tragic results of that cycle here time and time again.

MR has a documented history of violence. Those that know him best are speaking out to confirm that history is accurate. It isn't a stretch to imagine that he acted out in a way consistent with his past behavior and young Dylan paid the ultimate price.


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Do you have a link for that information, or are you a verified professional? That hasn't been the case in most of the cases I know personally, but I'm not even close to knowing MOST abusers. TIA

 

[aust amateur slueth]

She was not lying, imo. She sounded confused and probably trying to figure out how to explain something that she was maybe not supposed to discuss on the air. She was not saying any of it with confidence---it sounded uncertain all the way through.

I have been in similar situations---not knowing which way to go, or how to walk a thin line, and you sometimes end up giving conflicting statements.

she was like a deer in the headlights and struggling with how to get out of answering the question.

IMO she did not lie she didn't want to answer the question

 

[katydid23]

Isn't that called lying? :waitasec:

No, because there was no intent to lie, imo.

If LE , for example, said do not discuss the polygraphs, and then she is in a live interview with NG, and she starts by saying, NO, I don't think so, but then after she is pressed further, she decides to open up and reveal the truth as she knows it, it is not LYING, imo.

 

[PaulR]

No, because there was no intent to lie, imo.

If LE , for example, said do not discuss the polygraphs, and then she is in a live interview with NG, and she starts by saying, NO, I don't think so, but then after she is pressed further, she decides to open up and reveal the truth as she knows it, it is not LYING, imo.

She should have just said "I'm not supposed to talk about the polygraphs" and left it at that.

I know I wasn't the only one scratching my head at the end of that segment wondering who took a polygraph and how they did.