CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #16

[asyousay]

He sounds like a very reasonable minded man and understands why Elaine lashed out. He understands that she is a worried mother and he also understands why she would lash out at him since he was the last one to see Dylan and was in his home when he disappeared.

The more I listen to MR the more I doubt he is involved in Dylan's disappearance at all.

IMO

But if he did it then of course he is going to come across like that . Actions speak louder than words and it would seem he is not close to any of his children and one of them has had a psyical fight him with dad .

If he is completely innocent then he had the worst luck ever on Monday as IMO something does not ring true about his story on what happened .

 

[Ten-96]

http://durangoherald.com/article/20121120/NEWS01/121129996/-1/News

This is that early Durango Herald article mentioning the unconfirmed sightings and "...in both cases the boy ran from rescue workers."

It sticks in my craw.

I promise, if and when LE divulges why they are discounting runaway, I will get off it.

 

[TxLady2]

This case is getting stranger by the min. Never knew LE could tell you not to talk to the media. Weird.

They don't, or at least they shouldn't. They do advise them not to discuss certain things related to the investigation, however. At least that's been my experience with most cases I've followed.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

He sounds like a very reasonable minded man and understands why Elaine lashed out. He understands that she is a worried mother and he also understands why she would lash out at him since he was the last one to see Dylan and was in his home when he disappeared.

The more I listen to MR the more I doubt he is involved in Dylan's disappearance at all.

IMO

yet days later he said "my problem is my ex wife....." which IMO sounded like he was put out and jealous that she was the one people wanted to speak to.

IMO judging someone by what they sound like can be misleading, much the same as looks can be misleading. ie Ted Bundy (I am only giving an example of how easy it is for people to be taken in by someone based on looks and how they sound) public vs private personas can be very different, how many time do we hear of someone having left their seemingly perfect relationship only to then find out that their ex had been abusing them behind closed doors?

when taken in context with what we know of his history it seems odd IMO

 

[Abby Normal Again]

Did marks child support go up sustantially when ER got primary custody?
Sometimes NCP get quite upset about this. For MR to seek out spending more time with him and he could show he spent so much % time with Dylan could may help the Child support to go down? Was he/is he also paying spousal support? They were married 20 years. Of course when she marries that would end but apparently they are not married but living together. Could it be all the money issues are upsetting?
Just thinking out lour.

If she has a superior job as most seem to believe (I don't know) then he wouldn't be paying spousal support. It's not always the man who pays support, now days they determine who makes more and they balance out the incomes so that the child doesn't have wealth in one home and poverty in another. I know a lot of women who pay child support with joint custody.
IOW, it's not really based on custody as much anymore as "who makes more" imo. If she makes more and has a better job, than he may very well not pay anything either way. That's not something I think we could speculate on without more data.

Listening to him at 1 minute... he seems to be forgiving his ex-wife for the statements she made against him, and making excuses as to why she would have done it.

He's been really good natured about all of it IMO. People have been ignoring the good and decent things he's said and is highlighting the one time he said something about his ex-wife being his problem. Even that, in context, and after being accused openly by most of the world for a long time- it's an understandable reaction. It's the most he's lashed out in these stressful weeks, but he's supposed to have anger management issues? More stress than ever and suddenly he can control it all? I don't think so.

Mark is the last confirmed sighting so you work from that IMO

There is no proof of a abduction and LE have not come out and said they think Dylan was abducted which is strange if they believe this as they would be warning the public , one would of thought .


IMO

http://www.gazette.com/articles/vallecito-147839-redwine-father.html
Direct quotes from Sgt Bender and Police spokesperson:

possible “abduction, kidnapping or some kind of foul play,”

“We hope that he is still alive,” said Sgt. Dan Bender. “There have been plenty of cases where someone has been abducted or kidnapped and is still alive.”

Read more: http://www.gazette.com/articles/vallecito-147839-redwine-father.html#ixzz2F28dkx75

http://www.krdo.com/news/Investigat...away/-/417220/17581046/-/xik41jz/-/index.html
Direct quotes from Lt. Shupe this time

"Just given the length of time (he's been gone), we're looking at other possibilities," said Durango Police Lt. Ray Shupe. "Everything from abduction to homicide."

This one is from early on, when they were focusing on runaway or abduction from the get-go.
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...-dylan-redwine-whos-been-missing-since-monday

5 days ago, paraphrased- not direct quote:

For the tight-knit town that now has posters up everywhere, the thought of an abduction was completely unexpected, yet, investigators told Action 7 News that's exactly what they think happened.

Read more: http://www.koat.com/news/new-mexico...17707274/-/pj5977z/-/index.html#ixzz2F2ACe0ut

I could go on, but you get the point? I made sure to use multiple news sources. Let's not forget that regardless of what we think, his friends who know him better than we do thinks that he would pack up and hitchhike. We've had multiple people from the area confirm that's it still culturally normal to hitchhike there.

Maybe it's just me, but the missing poster pics do not look much like other snap shots of Dylan.

It's not just you, I've been thinking that his shaggy hair & maturing features really changed his look a lot. I wish we had more of those pictures being passed around! JMO.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

http://durangoherald.com/article/20121120/NEWS01/121129996/-1/News

This is that early Durango Herald article mentioning the unconfirmed sightings and "...in both cases the boy ran from rescue workers."

It sticks in my craw.

I promise, if and when LE divulges why they are discounting runaway, I will get off it.

one sighting was a jogger IIRC and we were told that there is an older boy who looks like Dylan who lives in the area, I seem to remember reasing that the sightings where they thought it was dylan turned out to have been places where the older boy had been that day.

 

[Tennlyn]

http://durangoherald.com/article/20121120/NEWS01/121129996/-1/News

This is that early Durango Herald article mentioning the unconfirmed sightings and "...in both cases the boy ran from rescue workers."

It sticks in my craw.

I promise, if and when LE divulges why they are discounting runaway, I will get off it.

Well at least one of the 2 sightings was a jogger and LE thinks the second one might have been the same jogger.
http://durangoherald.com/article/20...PAGE/Timeline-of-events-in-Dylan-Redwine-case

 

[TxLady2]

I can't believe I am still awake, and have listened to MR on this interview over and over, and it's weird to hear him, because it seems he answeres alot of questions so many on WS have....I keep hearing him, and although his head is shaking I wonder, if it isn't just nervousness.

It's just the way some people talk. He doesn't sound nervous, to me. He sounds like he's comfortable talking to the reporter.
Some people talk with their hands, others with head movements, and I've seen a few who sway their bodies from one side to the other, too. Means nothing, IMO, although a lot of so-called experts think it does.

 

[Abby Normal Again]

yet days later he said "my problem is my ex wife....." which IMO sounded like he was put out and jealous that she was the one people wanted to speak to.

IMO judging someone by what they sound like can be misleading, much the same as looks can be misleading. ie Ted Bundy (I am only giving an example of how easy it is for people to be taken in by someone based on looks and how they sound) public vs private personas can be very different, how many time do we hear of someone having left their seemingly perfect relationship only to then find out that their ex had been abusing them behind closed doors?

when taken in context with what we know of his history it seems odd IMO

I think it's pretty amazing that for man with a reported anger management issue, that's the most he's lashed out. He's been calmer than most of us. :floorlaugh:

I guess he could be the cold blooded, wrong in the head, stone cold murderer- but that's not the image we've had painted. If he's a hot head with anger management issues than I don't believe he'd be able to suppress that under this level of stress, for this long, unless he's just extremely depressed or something.

I don't think it's fair to forgive ER's lashing out while saying that his one tiny lash out indicates guilt. That's JMO. If a KNOWN innocent get riled about their ex, than I think MR could get riled too in all the stress of this situation and still be innocent. That's JMO.

 

[TexasCharm]

But if he did it then of course he is going to come across like that . Actions speak louder than words and it would seem he is not close to any of his children and one of them has had a psyical fight him with dad .

If he is completely innocent then he had the worst luck ever on Monday as IMO something does not ring true about his story on what happened .

Are you aware that there are thousands and thousands of parents that aren't close to any of their children .. and even gotten into physical altercations with one or more of them?

This is not an isolated situation -- it goes on every single day in every single city in America --- it may not be ideal, or even RIGHT, but it doesn't make anyone a killer.

imo

 

[Ten-96]

one sighting was a jogger IIRC and we were told that there is an older boy who looks like Dylan who lives in the area, I seem to remember reasing that the sightings where they thought it was dylan turned out to have been places where the older boy had been that day.

OH!!!! Thank you for clarifying that! All this time I have been reading that the sighting was BY a jogger, not OF a jogger! *doh* No wonder he was running away!

I'll shut up now.

 

[gngr~snap]

I'm still concerned about the cadaver dog hits.

On the side shore...
http://abcnews.go.com/m/blogEntry?id=17810181

"Police and volunteers searched a Colorado lake for a 13-year-old boy after
cadaver dogs picked up a scent that led them to the edge of the water.
And from boats"

http://www.durangoherald.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?aid=/20121126/NEWS01/121129702&template=mobileart

"Monday when three sonar-outfitted boats turned up nothing unusual at three points marked with buoys that cadaver dogs on Saturday indicated were points of interest"

 

[TxLady2]

I'm not sure I understand your question...

I was talking about things that come out during any interviews, not necessarily polygraphs, claims that person A makes, and LE asking person B questions looking to confirm the information or rule it out. They might sometimes have to reveal or hint at what person A said in order to get person B to confirm or deny it.

It is my understanding that polygraph questions are usually rather generic, things like, do you know where the missing person is? did you have something to do with his disappearance? Did you kill the missing person? I don't think revealing those questions in public would usually affect the investigation one way or another because they tend to be rather similar and predictable from case to case. Revealing the results might sometimes make a difference.

There is a polygraph technique that attempts to find out if the suspect reacts differently to questions that only the guilty person and LE know the answers to (things like, was the murdered person killed with a knife? A gun?) but I don't think it would be applicable to Dylan's case as it is not known to LE what happened to him.

It's my understanding that in polygraphs they only ask questions that can be answered with a simple 'yes' or 'no.' If a person is just a suspect, why would they ask them if the person was killed with a knife or a gun? AFAIK, they are not allowed to elaborate on their answers, or say they don't know. It has to be either yes or no.

Unless they've changed the whole process recently.

 

[Donjeta]

It's my understanding that in polygraphs they only ask questions that can be answered with a simple 'yes' or 'no.' If a person is just a suspect, why would they ask them if the person was killed with a knife or a gun? AFAIK, they are not allowed to elaborate on their answers, or say they don't know. It has to be either yes or no.

Unless they've changed the whole process recently.

I am not disagreeing with you about the usual procedure at all

However, there is a variety of the polygraph test that uses a multiple choice format called the guilty knowledge test or a concealed information test.
http://www.openu.ac.il/Personal_sites/Gershon-Ben-Shakhar/GKTCHAP3.pdf

Short explanation from Wikipedia:

An alternative is the Guilty Knowledge Test (GKT), or the Concealed Information Test (CIT), which is being used in Japan.[8] The administration of this test is given to prevent potential errors that may arise from the questioning style. The test is usually conducted by a tester with no knowledge of the crime or circumstances in question. The administrator tests the participant on their knowledge of the crime that would not be known to an innocent person. For example: "Was the crime committed with a .45 or a 9 mm?" The questions are in multiple choice and the participant is rated on how they react to the correct answer. If they react strongly to the guilty information, then proponents of the test believe that it is likely that they know facts relevant to the case. This administration is considered more valid by supporters of the test because it contains many safeguards to avoid the risk of the administrator influencing the results.[9]

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygraph"]Polygraph - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

It would be completely impossible to use that in Dylan's case I think because the investigators wouldn't have enough information to construct the test. You'd have to know a lot about what happened to ask relevant questions.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

I think it's pretty amazing that for man with a reported anger management issue, that's the most he's lashed out. He's been calmer than most of us. :floorlaugh:

I guess he could be the cold blooded, wrong in the head, stone cold murderer- but that's not the image we've had painted. If he's a hot head with anger management issues than I don't believe he'd be able to suppress that under this level of stress, for this long, unless he's just extremely depressed or something.

I don't think it's fair to forgive ER's lashing out while saying that his one tiny lash out indicates guilt. That's JMO. If a KNOWN innocent get riled about their ex, than I think MR could get riled too in all the stress of this situation and still be innocent. That's JMO.

who is saying that his one tiny lash out indicates guilt?

I have said that although I am suspicious I am still on the fence.

I've tried looking at various other possibilities, but I can't in all honesty rule MR out.

IMO his prior history leads me to think that his anger is caused by a combination of factors coming together. Alcohol being one of those factors.

 

[TxLady2]

I am not disagreeing with you about the usual procedure at all

However, there is a variety of the polygraph test that uses a multiple choice format called the guilty knowledge test or a concealed information test.
http://www.openu.ac.il/Personal_sites/Gershon-Ben-Shakhar/GKTCHAP3.pdf

Short explanation from Wikipedia:


Polygraph - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It would be completely impossible to use that in Dylan's case I think because the investigators wouldn't have enough information to construct the test. You'd have to know a lot about what happened to ask relevant questions.

Thanks, but the excerpt you quoted says it is used in Japan. Doesn't sound like it's used here much, if at all. JMO, of course, since I didn't click on any links. Sorry, have to run in a few minutes.

 

[packerdog]

I was thinking of other scenarios for Dylan missing and thought maybe MR took Dylan's, phone away Sunday night and told him he was not going to spend time with his friends that week. For Dylan to say "I understand " Monday morning is odd to me. Kids would only say that if someone was angry at them asking if he understood what they were saying in MO. MR may have told him to not leave the house while he was gone and did HE UNDERSTAND. He then could have taken the land line phone with him so that he couldn't call his mom and complain. Dylan then took off on his own and while walking someone stopped and asked if he needed a ride and who knows what went on from there. I just can't remove MR for his involvement in why Dylan is missing.

 

[Abby Normal Again]

I'm confused now . Where has it been stated by LE that he was abducted ?

I was not aware they had come out and said that was a possibility !


Also I am new here so what does " TIA" mean ?

They've considered it an option from the beginning, and now the search that they did in his home produced nothing helpful. It would be helpful if they specified if that included the vehicles or not. http://www.kktv.com/news/headlines/Search-Continues-For-Missing-Boy-180366681.html?mobile=yes

Regarding abduction:
http://www.gazette.com/articles/vallecito-147839-redwine-father.html
Direct quotes from Sgt Bender and Police spokesperson:

possible “abduction, kidnapping or some kind of foul play,”

“We hope that he is still alive,” said Sgt. Dan Bender. “There have been plenty of cases where someone has been abducted or kidnapped and is still alive.”

Read more: http://www.gazette.com/articles/vallecito-147839-redwine-father.html#ixzz2F28dkx75

http://www.krdo.com/news/Investigat...away/-/417220/17581046/-/xik41jz/-/index.html
Direct quotes from Lt. Shupe this time

"Just given the length of time (he's been gone), we're looking at other possibilities," said Durango Police Lt. Ray Shupe. "Everything from abduction to homicide."

This one is from early on, when they were focusing on runaway or abduction from the get-go.
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...-dylan-redwine-whos-been-missing-since-monday

5 days ago, paraphrased- not direct quote:

For the tight-knit town that now has posters up everywhere, the thought of an abduction was completely unexpected, yet, investigators told Action 7 News that's exactly what they think happened.

Read more: http://www.koat.com/news/new-mexico...17707274/-/pj5977z/-/index.html#ixzz2F2ACe0ut

I could go on, but you get the point? I made sure to use multiple news sources. Let's not forget that regardless of what we think, Dylan's friends who know him better than we do thinks that he would pack up and hitchhike. We've had multiple people from the area confirm that's it still culturally normal to hitchhike there. We can't eliminate it simply because it's outside of our understanding of culturally normal behavior. What matters is what would be normal to Dylan.

 

[Abby Normal Again]

who is saying that his one tiny lash out indicates guilt?

I have said that although I am suspicious I am still on the fence.

I've tried looking at various other possibilities, but I can't in all honesty rule MR out.

IMO his prior history leads me to think that his anger is caused by a combination of factors coming together. Alcohol being one of those factors.

Oh, I don't have MR ruled out in my head either. No worries.

I was just saying that a lash out could be normal of a guilty or innocent person, and thus lends us little insight. Sorry if I worded it in an assuming manner.

 

[watcher9]

If Dylan was a runaway as first suspected because of the two sightings after his disappearance, why hasn't he been found? It's been almost a month and surely he would have turned up by now or at least have been seen again by someone. He has to eat somewhere.

If he was a runaway and began hitchhiking, he may have been picked up by an unsavory person who ended up abducting or killing him.

If he is in the lake either by the actions of himself or someone else, wouldn't he have come up by now or does the cold water prevent that?

Where is Dylan?