CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #17

[ThePhantom]

Catwhiskers, MR's behavior/past/present/etc. all do seem very incriminating and I do see why many/most of the sluethers here are and have been zeroing in on him. It's important, though, to keep looking at all the angles until an arrest is made. I think if the police find enough evidence to indicate MR is behind Dylan's disappearance, they might arrest him based on circumstantial evidence. Until then, I'm with you -- I've got to keep untangling this complex mess of family dynamics. If MR is found to be culpable, no one needs to eat crow just because they elected to consider other possibilities (many/most of which have been assiduously outlined several times). I hope you don't feel attacked or otherwise pressured to stay silent. Keep thinking and offer anything you might think adds a new dimension. I'd like to believe that very soon the authorities will have processed all the evidence they may have found at MR's home, and possibly offer additional information. On the other hand they may not say anything in order to protect the case against MR -- if they have one. Til then, I appreciate your commentaries and contributions! I've never been fond of any sort of bullying and am glad to see it is not done here, thankfully.

 

[scorekeeper]

Would they want fingerprints that early in the investigation when he was only reported missing? When my brother was reported missing they didnt ask for anything with his fingerprints on it.. :waitasec: Besides theres probably tons of fingerprints on his football. Are you playing with me? LOL

Catch :floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

what if they bought the nerf football and fishing pole during their Walmart trip? :what::what:

 

[TxJan1971]

BBM
Please don't assume that some of us aren't/haven't. We are all seeing the same information here - isn't it reasonable or even expected that thinking people can see things from different perspectives - given that none of us know what the truth actually is?
I'm feel I am one of the few people here you could be referring to - maybe not. But I am just respectfully tossing around other options that I see could be viable. I haven't posted angrily or ridiculed anyone else's ideas - even if I have been able to see what I think is a more logical alternative.

Sometimes we reach a point where without more info from LE, all we can offer to a discussion like this is how we would act, or in this case how our own families would act. I have a 13yo son, and another who has passed that age, plus an ex-husband, so have also drawn on my own experiences when thinking things through. I have also been a teacher for close to 30 years, and probably draw on that knowledge of kids and other families too.

Surely it doesn't wreck the whole discussion for others if there are even just a few people who don't mind continuing to follow different lines of enquiry and actively express those ideas or opinions here? Call me stubborn, but I am trying very hard to not just feel pressured into quitting the discussion because others feel I have nothing to offer.

BBM - Actually, I think this is the way it should be and I think it's a similar approach that the DR Task Force took in the beginning. They broke into three groups - One to investigate RSO's, one to investigate the Tip Line, and one to investigate photos/videos obtained. Then they work together as a team to rule in or rule out various possibilities/scenarios.

I personally believe we should work along the same lines. It doesn't matter who is in the majority or minority as far as theories go. In an ideal situation, if the case is solvable, then one theory would ultimately be the correct one, but unil that time, all theories are game.

Anyone with a particular theory should carry on with firming up their theory with any supporting evidence/facts/statements/actions that they deem appropriate. At the same time, those that believe in Theory 2 should do the same. Continue formulating your theory and compile all supporting information and be prepared to present/discuss your theory and be prepared to answer any questions/holes that others find. The same for those with Theory 3 or 4, etc. No one who presents a theory should feel slighted if others try to poke holes or question. I would think that's what good investigators do. As more information comes out, it is likely that some folks will voluntarily move to a different theory, and that's okay, too.

Everyone should feel free to present their theory and be willing to take the questions that opposing views have about potential holes they may find.

I think we all just have to do the best we can to present what we think/feel knowing that others will not always agree. Hopefully, somewhere down the line, at least one of our efforts will prove fruitful.

May the FORCE be with us....

 

[Linda7NJ]

That's exactly why I left here last Friday and why I've posted once since then. Pretty much, our opinions aren't wanted or respected if we don't get on the bandwagon. I haven't been able to say one thing that I haven't gotten a snarky reply out of someone in the last week.

I figure if everyone wants to agree and go in circles with the same thing, that's fine with me, they can do it without me wasting my time anymore. JMO, MOO.

Besides, like I said, it seems that everyone else has solved this case and they know who to blame so there is no need to look at other options. JMO

I respect everyone's opinions. I'm ready to defend mine. I appreciate others pointing out possible flaws in my thinking. I enjoy mulling over my opinions, and sometimes even changing them. I think that's why we are all here.

It's not personal, it's a process.


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[NC Analyzer]

Catwhiskers, MR's behavior/past/present/etc. all do seem very incriminating and I do see why many/most of the sluethers here are and have been zeroing in on him. It's important, though, to keep looking at all the angles until an arrest is made. I think if the police find enough evidence to indicate MR is behind Dylan's disappearance, they might arrest him based on circumstantial evidence. Until then, I'm with you -- I've got to keep untangling this complex mess of family dynamics. If MR is found to be culpable, no one needs to eat crow just because they elected to consider other possibilities (many/most of which have been assiduously outlined several times). I hope you don't feel attacked or otherwise pressured to stay silent. Keep thinking and offer anything you might think adds a new dimension. I'd like to believe that very soon the authorities will have processed all the evidence they may have found at MR's home, and possibly offer additional information. On the other hand they may not say anything in order to protect the case against MR -- if they have one. Til then, I appreciate your commentaries and contributions! I've never been fond of any sort of bullying and am glad to see it is not done here, thankfully.

Yep! And besides, what on earth would we be discussing if there wasn't 2 sides? Actually, what on earth would we be doing at all? :floorlaugh:

 

[NC Analyzer]

I respect everyone's opinions. I'm ready to defend mine. I appreciate others pointing out possible flaws in my thinking. I enjoy mulling over my opinions, and sometimes even changing them. I think that's why we are all here.

It's no personal, it's a process.


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Exactly! See, this is what I mean. It isn't personal! (unless some of you are actually related to or dating MR, lol) It IS a process...well said!

 

[LotusPawprint]

Nerf toys are the ones made of sponge - they are meant for use indoors as they aren't supposed to break stuff. I am frequently a moving target in nerf wars here in my house :furious:

The light-up Nerf football I mentioned comes with glasses ("frames") to see the lightshow the ball creates. And it requires a boatload of batteries. Not the Nerf toys of my youth! It sounds like you need Nerf protective gear -- be careful!!

 

[Kamille]

why in the world would they take his nerf football?? :floorlaugh: its just silly.

Because it's likely part of the story of what they did that evening that MR told investigators during his in depth interview with them.

MOO

 

[Linda7NJ]

I just cant buy that Dylan and his Dad shared that "Hallmark" evening Dad describes :waitasec: MOO

Yeah, except they didn't communicate at all!


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[scorekeeper]

Dad did provide scent items-Mom brought better ones. Dog handlers and dogs can be very particular about scents and certain items are better than others. It also depends on the type of dog.

If dad's provided items, wouldn't the items have been taken Monday and put in a bag (or what ever LE uses for the dogs to sniff the items from)?

Why would LE wait until they initiated the search warrant to remove any clothing items? :waitasec::waitasec:

I would think dad would be handing over any item with Dylan's scent on it Monday the day he reported him missing.

I can't see LE using the sweatpants for a scent then giving them back to dad to be taken away under the search warrant...

 

[Ransom]

Yeah, except they didn't communicate at all!


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Not what he said. Let's try this again:

http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121215/NEWS01/121219687/0/SEARCH/A-boy’s-life
Dylan’s family – his mother, brother, Elaine’s fiancé and his two children – had just finished remodeling the house a bit north of Colorado Springs and moved in a few weeks before he disappeared.

Then:

Mark hadn’t heard much from his son lately, but that night the two hardly had a chance to talk about how Dylan liked his new home, he said.

:twocents:

 

[Linda7NJ]

I was wondering why they couldn't get a scent for the dogs from the pair of sweatpants. Did he just take them out and leave them out? I also noticed in the picture from the airport that Dylan appears to be wearing white socks. Where are those? Did he put on the sweatpants over the shorts and take them off and just leave them somewhere in the house? Or if he actually changed into them, did he really get up on that cold morning and put the shorts back on? The entire outfit he came in, including the socks and hat?

Can ER confirm that both the sweatpants and the Ipod are Dylan's and they were in his backpack? I guess if he never actually wore the sweatpants then we're back to square one about whether he was at the house or not?

MOO

If I were LE .... The last person I'd trust to give me articles containing Dylan's scent would be Mark.

I'd prefer to use another source.


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[Linda7NJ]

Not what he said. Let's try this again:

http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121215/NEWS01/121219687/0/SEARCH/A-boy’s-life
Dylan’s family – his mother, brother, Elaine’s fiancé and his two children – had just finished remodeling the house a bit north of Colorado Springs and moved in a few weeks before he disappeared.

Then:

Mark hadn’t heard much from his son lately, but that night the two hardly had a chance to talk about how Dylan liked his new home, he said.

:twocents:

How is that different? I'm confused.


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[ttcRider]

Catch :floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

what if they bought the nerf football and fishing pole during their Walmart trip? :what::what:

ah-ha! Touche my friend.

 

[TxJan1971]

Not what he said. Let's try this again:

http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121215/NEWS01/121219687/0/SEARCH/A-boy’s-life
Dylan’s family – his mother, brother, Elaine’s fiancé and his two children – had just finished remodeling the house a bit north of Colorado Springs and moved in a few weeks before he disappeared.

Then:

Mark hadn’t heard much from his son lately, but that night the two hardly had a chance to talk about how Dylan liked his new home, he said.

:twocents:

Good catch! Thanks.

 

[cluciano63]

None of us have any idea if MR is guilty of anything at all. To me, LE is allowing MR to become the unnamed suspect, as they do whatever it is they are doing, by maintaining a wall of silence that is right up there with the best of them. A simple word, i.e. Dylan slept at his father's home and vanished the following morning, would take a lot of suspicion off of MR and would in no way impede an investigation, IMO and in fact, might even be helpful, as the locals would then know exactly when they should be wracking their brains to recall things of possible importance.

And yet LE will not do this, will not make a simple statement in their own words, that Dylan spent the night in his father's home. If they do not know this much a month later, than the hope of ever finding Dylan is almost zero, IMO, except by accident.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Not what he said. Let's try this again:

http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121215/NEWS01/121219687/0/SEARCH/A-boy’s-life
Dylan’s family – his mother, brother, Elaine’s fiancé and his two children – had just finished remodeling the house a bit north of Colorado Springs and moved in a few weeks before he disappeared.

Then:

Mark hadn’t heard much from his son lately, but that night the two hardly had a chance to talk about how Dylan liked his new home, he said.

:twocents:

Oh , cause I said " at all" ? Sorry, you're right! I should have said hardly spoke.


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[Darcyline]

If dad's provided items, wouldn't the items have been taken Monday and put in a bag (or what ever LE uses for the dogs to sniff the items from)?

Why would LE wait until they initiated the search warrant to remove any clothing items? :waitasec::waitasec:

I would think dad would be handing over any item with Dylan's scent on it Monday the day he reported him missing.

I can't see LE using the sweatpants for a scent then giving them back to dad to be taken away under the search warrant...

I am not sure exactly what you are asking, but I don't think any of us know the exact timing of what happened, all the items that were left behind, or the policy of scent items and LE and dog handlers. For the first at least week of the case everyone seriously thought there were literally NO items of Dylan's in the house and now we know that is wrong.
I am just trusting when they said they wanted better scent items from Mom and that Dad has been 100% cooperative in every way. Better to me implies that they had something (maybe they didn't trust that something, but that something was provided) in addition to Dad being extremely cooperative makes me think that he didn't slam the door in their faces and refuse the sweatpants or whatever.

 

[Linda7NJ]

None of us have any idea if MR is guilty of anything at all. To me, LE is allowing MR to become the unnamed suspect, as they do whatever it is they are doing, by maintaining a wall of silence that is right up there with the best of them. A simple word, i.e. Dylan slept at his father's home and vanished the following morning, would take a lot of suspicion off of MR and would in no way impede an investigation, IMO and in fact, might even be helpful, as the locals would then know exactly when they should be wracking their brains to recall things of possible importance.

And yet LE will not do this, will not make a simple statement in their own words, that Dylan spent the night in his father's home. If they do not know this much a month later, than the hope of ever finding Dylan is almost zero, IMO, except by accident.

I agree. I think they're keeping a close eye on his movements. Hoping he will lead them straight to some answers.


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[Linda7NJ]

I am not sure exactly what you are asking, but I don't think any of us know the exact timing of what happened, all the items that were left behind, or the policy of scent items and LE and dog handlers. For the first at least week of the case everyone seriously thought there were literally NO items of Dylan's in the house and now we know that is wrong.
I am just trusting when they said they wanted better scent items from Mom and that Dad has been 100% cooperative in every way. Better to me implies that they had something (maybe they didn't trust that something, but that something was provided) in addition to Dad being extremely cooperative makes me think that he didn't slam the door in their faces and refuse the sweatpants or whatever.

For the record, I never said there were zero items belonging to Dylan in the house. It's my belief those things of Dylan's were there previously. They were not brought with Dylan on this trip unless Mark purchased them at or before Dylan went missing IMO.


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