CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #18

[Linda7NJ]

What tears? I didn't see any tears streaming down MR's face in this video.

Just for the record some people, like myself, are private criers. I tend to shut off, use auto pilot,and get done whatever needs done then ....later...alone..I fall apart.

IMO he looked distraught, but that could have been fear. It's what he said that sent red flags off in my mind.

 

[Crosby87]

At best guess, I'd say it's because they're not releasing any info to the public. They haven't cleared anyone, they haven't released what they've found in any of their searches (either of MR's home, car, property, etc; or of the roadside searches that have taken place), and they haven't released any details of the interviews or polygraphs that both parents have likely taken. All that has been released is that there was a hit on the lake, and that may not have even been Dylan.

I believe that they're either playing their cards very close to their chest, or there's absolutely no information or evidence showing what happened to Dylan. Therefore, I don't really see this as a sign of guilt for anyone involved, it's just that nothing has been discovered so they have nothing to release.

I'm fairly sure that LE would know which vehicle Mark drove, and seeing as the vehicles have been released back to him (again, something that was not explicitly released to the media, but was something that I believe was found true a few threads back), I don't believe they found anything of interest there.

JMO

I don't see the harm in releasing the search warrants to the public. The SWs simply state LE want permission to search Mark's home and vehicle because he was the last person to see his son alive and they will list his address and describe the vehicles they want to take to the compound to search for clues.

However, this article states ""Bender did not return a phone call from The Associated Press seeking details on the search warrant.""

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/29/dylan-redwine-missing_n_2211894.html



I wish we had seen the vehicles being removed from Mark's place in the video but no such luck.

 

[dlc]

Is there a link for that?

I too would love to see a link for that.

Thank you.

 

[Crosby87]

...the sister of ER, said the family has told authorities Dylan didn't run away. She also said Dylan wanted to spend Thanksgiving with family members in Castle Rock and was disappointed he had to go to see his father.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/29/dylan-redwine-missing_n_2211894.html

Dylan didn't want to spend Thanksgiving with his father and ER said she wasn't sure how Mark would react if Dylan said or did something Mark didn't like and that makes me believe Dylan would run away if things weren't going well with his dad.

MOO

 

[Seajay]

I have noticed strange wording (IMO) from dad from the getgo. "that boy", "he was", etc.
I had (have) the feeling MR had already distanced himself, for whatever reason. But MR knew and knows imo

Than what was the mom's reason for using the "was" term in referring to Dylan in the past tense??? Cory did it as well. Were they already emotionally distancing themselves from Dylan? All three have used past tense. If it means something for one, it should mean something for all, right???

 

[Linda7NJ]

Dylan didn't want to spend Thanksgiving with his father and ER said she wasn't sure how Mark would react if Dylan said or did something Mark didn't like and that makes me believe Dylan would run away if things weren't going well with his dad.

MOO

His brother said, they were only a phone call away. IMO he would have called home.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Than what was the mom's reason for using the "was" term in referring to Dylan in the past tense??? Cory did it as well. Were they already emotionally distancing themselves from Dylan? All three have used past tense. If it means something for one, it should mean something for all, right???

Touché

 

[Seajay]

Touché

:great::takeabow:

 

[Seajay]

Then they actually found evidence in them and were saving them for corroborating evidence that they may find later.

They can not just take your stuff and keep it with zero probable cause to do so.

Exactly! But they returned Marks vehicles and they didn't return this guy's vehicles in 4 years and 2 times in court.

 

[kkdj]

Yeh, it would. However, if she's wrong.......she's not asking for her son back for anyone else who might have him.

Yeah. I get what you're saying. I think mom is pretty certain who to point a finger at. I can't help but listen loud and clear to her. Otherwise she would not be pointing.
Jmo

 

[Linda7NJ]

Exactly! But they returned Marks vehicles and they didn't return this guy's vehicles in 4 years and 2 times in court.

Right. Whatever happened, IMO didn't happen IN either vehicle they searched.

 

[Annie1004]

They wouldn't arrest him without solid evidence and confidence they could get a conviction. Once arrested the clock starts ticking....right to a speedy trial and all that jazz...

I know that, and was comparing this case to recent ones I have followed (Whitney, Katrina, Jessica Ridgeway, Sierra, Mickey Shunick) where a perp was arrested within a matter of weeks. Obviously in this case, with the search warrants, forensics, searches, tips, leads, etc., not enough evidence has been gleaned to outright arrest someone in Dylan's disappearance.

Now what, if LE has all the evidence back? Wait and see.

LE either has some evidence (not enough) or truly does not know what happened a month ago. JMHO.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I know that, and was comparing this case to recent ones I have followed (Whitney, Katrina, Jessica Ridgeway, Sierra, Mickey Shunick) where a perp was arrested within a matter of weeks. Obviously in this case, with the search warrants, forensics, searches, tips, leads, etc., not enough evidence has been gleaned to outright arrest someone in Dylan's disappearance.

Now what, if LE has all the evidence back? Wait and see.

LE either has some evidence (not enough) or truly does not know what happened a month ago. JMHO.

Knowing and proving beyond a reasonable doubt are two entirely different things.

 

[SmoothOperator]

regarding the release of the vehicles back to MR.. This issue of cases where cars are released vs.cases where they're not released and one indicating guilt/evidence while the others indicates not guilt/zero evidence IMO is not near as cut and dry as releasing or not releasing equaling a certain meaning..where there are cars that are not released indefinitely(as in years even) well..this quite obviously means that LE have found some major evidenve, likely a crime scene, or atleast a secondary crime scene that left behind extremely damning evidence..

for instance in the Katrina Smith case..it was her car that was impounded and searched..and obviously kept.. moo is this car is a major part of the crime scene, with extreme evidence, as in blood, tissue, other bodily fuids and matter..she was beaten to death and her car was what she was after having been brutally beaten to death was placed inside of and transported to the disposal site..

quite obviously no one is going to return that huge, major piece of evidence, similar to how Casey Anthony's car contained similar bodily fluids, etc and contained the body and evidence until it was disposed of...not going anywhere and certainly not being released...

when you have a car that doesn't contain blood and large amounts of other deceased bodily fluids there is no reason the car would be kept in custody.. if say the vehicle merely had a cadaver dog hit on a specific area of the vehicle, but there is no blood, tissue, or bodily fluid..then quite likely LE are going to document the area that was alerted as positive for human decomp, and even possibly take a sample of whatever area in the vehicle that the dogs alerted to their having been human remains, and therefor release the vehicle..they have got what they need from the vehicle AND a LE trained K9 specifically trained in HRD being used and alerting positive is all part of the extremely thorough documentation that is done.. there is no need to keep the vehicle its not as tho they bring the car into court or have the jurors taken to where they have the car impounded AND are going to have the dogs research and realert on the car...that just doesn't happen for an HRD positive hit on a vehicle..

the positive alert is thoroughly documented AND the dogs handler will testify at trial as to their dogs training and experience, their record of their dog being correct, and then testimony as to the areas of the vehicle their dog alerted to, usually accompanied by photos entered in evidence as well of those areas of the vehicle the dog hit on..

just one piece of evidence in an extremely long list of evidence that is necessary in order for a DA to even agree to arrest and proceed to trial.. and at this point in time it still very much gathering as much single pieces of evidence that they can FIND AND COLLECT..OF COURSE WITH THE GREATEST HOPE BEING THAT THEY CAN FIND DYLAN...as no body cases are still a difficult task that quite honestly some DA's flat out refuse to prosecute...

just an example of what type of very real evidence that's of great importance that could have been found and documented or collected from MR's vehicles that would ABSOLUTELY NOT WARRANT THE VEHICLE BEING SEIZED AND IMPOUNDED INDEFINITELY..

 

[Annie1004]

Knowing and proving beyond a reasonable doubt are two entirely different things.

That's exactly what I wrote, e.g., there is not enough evidence for the DA to prosecute at this point. And we don't know what LE knows, either. :waitasec:

 

[katydid23]

I know that, and was comparing this case to recent ones I have followed (Whitney, Katrina, Jessica Ridgeway, Sierra, Mickey Shunick) where a perp was arrested within a matter of weeks. Obviously in this case, with the search warrants, forensics, searches, tips, leads, etc., not enough evidence has been gleaned to outright arrest someone in Dylan's disappearance.

Now what, if LE has all the evidence back? Wait and see.

LE either has some evidence (not enough) or truly does not know what happened a month ago. JMHO.

I think they have some suspicions, but don't have any forensic evidence to back it up. I think this is going to be like Ayla Reynolds, or Kyron, or Hailey Dunn, where LE has a strong suspicion but nothing to prove their case. JMO

 

[eileenhawkeye]

It seems that in the cases where there is NO suspect/POI, and we all just have a blank face in our minds, there ends up being an arrest of someone we never heard of within the first few months.

Then, in cases where we all have a person(s) we suspect, and we expect LE to make an arrest any day, the case goes cold.

 

[katydid23]

It seems that in the cases where there is NO suspect/POI, and we all just have a blank face in our minds, there ends up being an arrest of someone we never heard of within the first few months.

Then, in cases where we all have a person(s) we suspect, and we expect LE to make an arrest any day, the case goes cold.

And I think that is because in the case of a POI that is close to the victim, it is very hard to get any evidence that proves anything.

If a random RSO has hairs belonging to the victim in his truck or in his home, he is tried and convicted. But the stepfather or the ex husband or jealous girlfriend, they all have good explanations for the victim's DNA and hair being around them or even on them.

If a neighbor or creeper was last seen with the victim, it is very suspicious. But you expect a family member to be there at any time or place, so it's no evidence of anything.

And most important, a creeper or stalker or RSO usually has a very short window of time before the family makes a missing person report. But a parent or caregiver can wait 10, 12, 24 hours before making it known. They have much more time to cover their tracks.

Thus Ayla Reynolds, Haileigh Cummings, Hailey Dunn, Celina Cass, are still unsolved tragedies. :furious:

 

[Seajay]

It all comes down to us not knows what LE has or doesn't have. Knows or doesn't know. In the Katrina Smith case, once they got forensics from the car, they caught their man. Everyone was so sure that Clint Heichel disappeared and murdered Whitney. None was really looking at anyone else. I feel that's the case here.

LE is not obligated to keep us informed, as sucky as that whole concept is. They have hardly thrown anything our way. But I don't think we should build a story around what little evidence we have, then run with it as fact. What is it that's said? Letting the facts form your theory not forcing the facts to fit your theory. JMO

 

[Seajay]

Another day is done and no Dylan. If the world doesn't come to an end in a few hours according to the Mayan Calendar, maybe it'll be the day Dylan comes home.