CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #18

[katydid23]

I believe it was in Durango but I have not seen an appointment time. There is the possibility he stopped by to make a payment....

I read somewhere early on that he was making a payment. And that seems very odd to me, if it is true at all. Why not wait an hour or so for his son to be awake if he only had to make a payment. Is there a specific appointment time necessary to make a payment to your attorney? Mine will gladly accept payments all day, no appointment necessary. :wink:

 

[katydid23]

It seems to become a real problem in some of the missing kids cases ex. Kyron & Baby Lisa, etc In the Lisa Irwin case, a cadaver dog hit on an area of the parents bedroom, but that case is at a standstill. It seems all you have to do is lawyer up & shut your mouth. I hope it doesn't come to the point with MR and I hope he took or asked for a 2nd poly & he is doing everything he can to clear himself so LE can move on.

Oh, I think one of the ONLY things we can be certain of, IF he has an attorney now, is that he will NOT be taking a second poly. JMO

 

[SCHMAE]

I read somewhere early on that he was making a payment. And that seems very odd to me, if it is true at all. Why not wait an hour or so for his son to be awake if he only had to make a payment. Is there a specific appointment time necessary to make a payment to your attorney? Mine will gladly accept payments all day, no appointment necessary. :wink:

You know I thought earlier some of his errands might have been related to the holiday coming up and work. Like get papers in order for checks to be given out from the job because the office might be closed all week or something. SO now that you mention it the same might be true at the lawyer's office. Maybe they would be closed all week and a secretary came in to gt a few client's checks to make one last deposit before off all week. Just thinking out loud.

 

[rebeccaeee]

Speculating here on motive because what else have we got? Took a look at the long court history in AZ as AZgrandma suggested, paired that with the long court history in CO (not publicly available but anecdotally noted) and wondered just what MR will do if there are no ex wives to take to court anymore.

Seriously- this either gives me the first glimmer of doubt of his involvement or, as I more closely suspect, now that ER has left Bayfield, MR might start yapping again trying to get her goat. Give 'em enough rope and he'll hang himself, particularly during the enormously stressful holidays next week.

 

[LotusPawprint]

It seems to become a real problem in some of the missing kids cases ex. Kyron & Baby Lisa, etc In the Lisa Irwin case, a cadaver dog hit on an area of the parents bedroom, but that case is at a standstill. It seems all you have to do is lawyer up & shut your mouth. I hope it doesn't come to the point with MR and I hope he took or asked for a 2nd poly & he is doing everything he can to clear himself so LE can move on. ETA ~ if the first one was inconclusive that is.

I'm all for having an attorney in your corner... but if my child is missing I'm talking and cooperating with whoever is investigating until they're found. Not 4 meetings with LE within a few weeks and an appearance on Dr Phil like BL's parents and here we are over a year later. Cooperation is great but so long as your little one is missing, you're their only voice .... time will tell....

 

[Public_Hysteria]

I read somewhere early on that he was making a payment. And that seems very odd to me, if it is true at all. Why not wait an hour or so for his son to be awake if he only had to make a payment. Is there a specific appointment time necessary to make a payment to your attorney? Mine will gladly accept payments all day, no appointment necessary. :wink:

I don't remember actually reading this in an article, but I know the idea was floated around here quite a bit a few threads back. I don't believe it has ever been confirmed why he was there at all, so it's still entirely possible that he was there for a scheduled appointment with his divorce attorney.

JMO

 

[katydid23]

Where is everyone? It's taken 3 hours to fill this one page. I remember when we could fill a page in 3 minutes.

I hear ya. I am sitting here, surrounded by presents I am supposed to be wrapping before everyone returns home. That vast majority of the presents are for my kids of course. I was just wrapping my DS a set of Nike work out clothes, with some black nylon shorts and I felt such a sudden onset of sadness and depression about little Dylan. His presents should be opened by him on Tuesday just like my sons' will be. So tragic. so unnecessary. :cry: :cry: :cry:

 

[katydid23]

I don't remember actually reading this in an article, but I know the idea was floated around here quite a bit a few threads back. I don't believe it has ever been confirmed why he was there at all, so it's still entirely possible that he was there for a scheduled appointment with his divorce attorney.

JMO

It was talked about here because his family was speaking out on FB and other forums, and one of them said as much. JMO Also said that he was turning his travel receipts and paperwork to United Pipeline, wich I think turned out to be true.

 

[scorekeeper]

Most of those people you mentioned were no where in the area, so don't need to be cleared. Just like when Kyron went missing, Tony and Desiree were not in the area, and were not suspects in any way.

I believe in the Jessica Ridgeway case her father (lived in another state) was questioned or LE checked out his story. Once his whereabouts were verified then he was cleared.

But no one, near or far, have been cleared in Dylan's disappearance.

 

[SCHMAE]

Speculating here on motive because what else have we got? Took a look at the long court history in AZ as AZgrandma suggested, paired that with the long court history in CO (not publicly available but anecdotally noted) and wondered just what MR will do if there are no ex wives to take to court anymore.

Seriously- this either gives me the first glimmer of doubt of his involvement or, as I more closely suspect, now that ER has left Bayfield, MR might start yapping again trying to get her goat. Give 'em enough rope and he'll hang himself, particularly during the enormously stressful holidays next week.

Rebeccaee , You're a GENIUS ! You've given me something to think about that I had not. Ok yes, it's a given there are long court dramas. But if he was actually prolonging the proceedings, merely to keep a 'hook' in ER, as some have suggested AND as often is the case in divorces ( especially since she moved on and he for all accounts is still woefully single ) then what now ? Why we he 'remove' the only thing tying him to ER? I'm not sure if that was your point, but just a thought I had reading your post. Hmmmmmmm

 

[katydid23]

Rebeccaee , You're a GENIUS ! You've given me something to think about that I had not. Ok yes, it's a given there are long court dramas. But if he was actually prolonging the proceedings, merely to keep a 'hook' in ER, as some have suggested AND as often is the case in divorces ( especially since she moved on and he for all accounts is still woefully single ) then what now ? Why we he 'remove' the only thing tying him to ER? I'm not sure if that was your point, but just a thought I had reading your post. Hmmmmmmm

Why remove the only thing tying them together? Because it was the ultimate EFF YOU, and the ultimate 'win' if he took away from her the only thing she loved so much. JMO

ETA:

She had thought she won, by successfully moving away, remodeling a new home, planning to marry her first ex-husband, making their sons happy in their new life....,maybe he couldn't stand it anymore.

 

[SCHMAE]

Why remove the only thing tying them together? Because it was the ultimate EFF YOU, and the ultimate 'win' if he took away from her the only thing she loved so much. JMO

I understand your point Katy believe me. I'm just trying to play devil's advocate.
There is a point of the ultimate EFF YOU , I agree.
But there are also those who will do anything to get the x back and
having DR was the only thing he had that could ever potentially turn into
a 'makeup' if you will. Now if DR is never found, MR would have no reason
to ever contact ER again. See what I mean? So if he's been pining for her
all this time and hoping they might get together again one day and he did
something to DR , then he just completely screwed himself, in loads of ways
but do you see what I mean ?

 

[rebeccaeee]

Why remove the only thing tying them together? Because it was the ultimate EFF YOU, and the ultimate 'win' if he took away from her the only thing she loved so much. JMO

And I do believe that's where he would be coming from. I just wonder how long he will revel in her agony without instigating further. Not rational, of course, b/c if he killed his son to get back at his ex, he is crazy. But he seemed so hell bent on tying them up in court and exerting a certain amount of control over their lives and being continuously disruptive. Murder might be his end game but if it is, I cannot imagine him leaving ER alone for very long.

 

[SCHMAE]

See I'm on a different wavelength. I think IF he is involved, then it was an accident gone wrong or a drunken beating gone too far and then panic set in. But then again, with an accident, how do you account for zero evidence anywhere? I just don't get it.
It's mind boggling.

 

[Dee10]

Why remove the only thing tying them together? Because it was the ultimate EFF YOU, and the ultimate 'win' if he took away from her the only thing she loved so much. JMO

ETA:

She had thought she won, by successfully moving away, remodeling a new home, planning to marry her first ex-husband, making their sons happy in their new life....,maybe he couldn't stand it anymore.

I just saw a HLN Mystery last weekend of a very similar scenario. Buddy tried for umpteen years to get the girl, when he didn't & more importantly knew he wouldn't, he killed her late teen son. Made it look like an accident. Note, it wasn't his son, but he was like a Dad so to speak through his life.

Personally though, I am still thinking it was a fit of rage if MR is involved, but I never say never.

 

[katydid23]

I understand your point Katy believe me. I'm just trying to play devil's advocate.
There is a point of the ultimate EFF YOU , I agree.
But there are also those who will do anything to get the x back and
having DR was the only thing he had that could ever potentially turn into
a 'makeup' if you will. Now if DR is never found, MR would have no reason
to ever contact ER again. See what I mean? So if he's been pining for her
all this time and hoping they might get together again one day and he did
something to DR , then he just completely screwed himself, in loads of ways
but do you see what I mean ?

Yes I totally understand what you are saying. His court fights show exactly that kind of behavior, imo.

But I am wondering if her current situation made him give up with trying to even imagine they were getting back together. She had a great new job, just remodeled her new home, which was probably much nicer than the rundown ones he owned. And she won the court battle for primary custody in a new city, and most important, she was marrying the man that MR probably originally ' stole her' from. I think there might have been a bit of an overlap in their seeing each other. She must have been newly separated at most.

 

[katydid23]

See I'm on a different wavelength. I think IF he is involved, then it was an accident gone wrong or a drunken beating gone too far and then panic set in. But then again, with an accident, how do you account for zero evidence anywhere? I just don't get it.
It's mind boggling.

I agree that it might have been a beating gone wrong, but it still would have been triggered by his angry feelings about his divorce situation. I think he was very jealous of her upcoming marriage and her new home. MR even mentioned that they barely had a chance to talk about how much he liked his new home.
My hair stood up on my neck, because I imagined Dylan being angry at the time and saying " It's a lot better than this dump."

As for the zero evidence, I wonder if the fight was outside of the car somewhere. When my DS used to get really mad at that age, he would bolt from the house. Luckily we live in a very safe, small suburban neighborhood and we used to let him cool out before we chased him down. He used to sneak back in and go to sleep anyway. But we did have a big fight at the park very late one night when he told us he was going to 'sleep there' that night. :what:

I hate to air my dirty laundry here, :angel:, but I am okay with it because he is now 24 and very respectful and has his EMT certificate and is trying to become a cop.And he just graduated from state university and just asked his GF to marry next year. So he avoided any real trouble in his life, thank goodness. But 14 was a tough age for him. he was very stubborn and volatile and blamed us for some of his problems. [ we wouldnt let him date this 16 yr old girl or let her hang out alone in his room. lol] So when he was angry he would stand up to my DH and say things like ' Make ME" or try it. He would threaten to leave the house late at night and say try and stop me. That is the kind of thing I envision happening between MR and DR. And if MR had been drinking or wrose, NOT drinking and wanted to drink, he might have lost control. He is a big man and D is very slight. It would not take much force for him to have been badly injured.

But if they were arguing in the truck and MR got mad and grabbed the cell, he might have pulled over and the fight happened outside the truck.

 

[NC Analyzer]

Yes I totally understand what you are saying. His court fights show exactly that kind of behavior, imo.

But I am wondering if her current situation made him give up with trying to even imagine they were getting back together. She had a great new job, just remodeled her new home, which was probably much nicer than the rundown ones he owned. And she won the court battle for primary custody in a new city, and most important, she was marrying the man that MR probably originally ' stole her' from. I think there might have been a bit of an overlap in their seeing each other. She must have been newly separated at most.

Just jumping off your idea and adding a thought of my own...
What if he somehow thought losing Dylan would bring him closer to ER? Both of them sharing a tragedy. Thinking the fiance' wouldn't be able to comfort her like he could...after all, "they" were Dylan's parents; not him. Back in the beginning, he did mention wanting to connect with her. What if, in his warped way of thinking, he somehow believed this would be the thing that reunited them?

 

[kkdj]

To me it would have made more sense for dad to drop Dylan off at his friends on Sunday eve and then pick him up Monday after his appts., rather than drive him home just to go to bed, dad leave him there in the morning, return 4 hours later promising to take Dylan back into town. I'm just having a hard time thinking this is what really went down.
Jmo

 

[rebeccaeee]

Just jumping off your idea and adding a thought of my own...
What if he somehow thought losing Dylan would bring him closer to ER? Both of them sharing a tragedy. Thinking the fiance' wouldn't be able to comfort her like he could...after all, "they" were Dylan's parents; not him. Back in the beginning, he did mention wanting to connect with her. What if, in his warped way of thinking, he somehow believed this would be the thing that reunited them?

So how thoroughly pissed off would he have been with her comments about his potential involvement?

I'm on the fence about premeditation vs fit of rage. Rage gives me the hope that Dylan will be found closer (less time to plan) whereas premed makes this nigh impossible.

Oh couldn't he just be a brillliant mastermind who wanted to steal his son for a bit and ruin ER's holidays? And that the clever young man will find an escape? Fairy tales, all.