CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #18

[Bravo]

So......... we suddenly believe MR when he says he's been trying to call LE and they ignore him? When we dont believe other bits of his story ? See what I mean? How do we know he's calling them ......or just waiting for them to call him? I don't know . It seems if he's dishonest and fishy in ' our collective humble opinions' , then what does it matter if he says he's called LE and they ignore the call?

I think that may have sounded ugly and I don't mean it that way at all. Its the first thing I thought of when I read the quote' yeah right, you've been trying and trying to call le' ... I just don't buy it. But if we were to believe it why not believe the other things he's said that have been scrutinized like ' out like a light' vs ' i understand' .

Another great point!!!!

 

[Deleted member 39678]

MR hired a criminal defense attorney just 1 or 2 days after a full search of his home was made, and his vehicles were impounded.

I sincerely doubt he's been cooperating with police since hiring that atty.

So you think that his lawyer told him to stop all cooperation with LE? If the lawyer did say that it would seem to be a bit extreme in my opinion.

Couldn't the lawyer tell him something like "no more interviews with LE unless I'm present". Would that be considered as no longer cooperating?

I would like to know if LE has stated that MR has stopped cooperating or that they have a problem with his cooperation?

 

[Bravo]

I know if i had a missing child I would be such a royal pain in the azz LE likely would be not speaking with me any more than they had too lol. When i wasn't doing something constructive I would have a cot set up in their lobby lol Yep.

 

[mmmagique]

I understand your point Katy believe me. I'm just trying to play devil's advocate.
There is a point of the ultimate EFF YOU , I agree.
But there are also those who will do anything to get the x back and
having DR was the only thing he had that could ever potentially turn into
a 'makeup' if you will. Now if DR is never found, MR would have no reason
to ever contact ER again. See what I mean? So if he's been pining for her
all this time and hoping they might get together again one day and he did
something to DR , then he just completely screwed himself, in loads of ways
but do you see what I mean ?

Well maybe that's why he kept saying things like they should be together at a time like this, and "maybe not go out together and be all buddy, buddy" but talking and working together.

 

[SCHMAE]

OK dumb butt browser will not load that story. Please can someone tell me what DAY MR said this about being unable to reach the task force? TIA

Here's why,,,,,, we've been wondering if he hired/ retained an attorney. All we heard was that he consulted one to ' watch his back' ? ( a curious statement on its on but i digress) So if after consulting that attorney, he is still ON HIS OWN, trying to contact LE, then you can bet your paycheck he did not HIRE that attorney because no way would his attorney let him contact LE for anything. If anyone were to contact them, it would be the attorney and not MR. Correct?

 

[Darcyline]

Everything I have seen is LE saying that MR has been 100% cooperative and that he only consulted a lawyer and didn't hire one. Also, he only consulted after LE impounded vehicles and stuff.
VERY different from other cases I have seen, I must say. I am not saying that in a leading way-just an observation.

 

[Chili Fries]

I'm sure there is a "giant trail of evidence" at every spontaneous crime scene. Problem is that LE don't always figure out where that crime scene may be. Or there wasn't a whole lot of evidence because it was a premeditated crime and a perp had lots of time to "clean up" as it were.

There are likely more unsolved missing person/murder cases than solved at this point. Especially since DNA and forensics came on the scene. Used to be that crimes were solved the old fashioned way with good old circumstantial evidence and a lot of common sense. But they weren't perfect and a lot of people were wrongly convicted because of it. The standard of evidence has evolved and therefore a lot more cases are being shelved even if LE are pretty sure of the who done it.

MOO

A big factor in a case like this, if MR is responsible, is that finding Dylan's DNA in a vehicle or the house is unremarkable - you expect to find it there. If Dylan's DNA was found in the house or car of somebody he didn't know, that would probably be major evidence, but finding it in Mark's house or vehicle is to be expected.

The same type of thing could be applied to any blood found as well, if it's a small amount. If a couple of spots of blood were found in Mark's truck, a defense attorney could plausibly explain it away as Dylan just cut himself somehow. We all know that kids bleed now and then. A defense attorney could claim it happened the last time Dylan visited in September.

These things are the obvious reasons why it can be tougher to prove that a family member or someone familiar with the missing person/deceased was responsible. And it's tougher when there isn't a body, so nobody is sure if Dylan is alive or not. It's still difficult even years later when the deceased isn't found - look at the Kyron Horman and Gabriel Johnson disappearances. In both of those cases the parent/step-parent has been the main suspect for a long time but the investigation has been hampered by the fact that the missing child hasn't been found. (Elizabeth Johnson did get 5 years for custodial interference but she could have been sentenced for murder if baby Gabriel had been found).

 

[StormyNights]

Still praying for Dylan's safe return....but as well all the know the more days that goes by, the less the chances of that happening are.....Where are you Dylan....I hope somewhere safe and just hiding out from the parent's custody battle. People don't realize what that does to a child, especially a 13 year old boy who understands way more than adults tend to realize. I just hope this boy is safe and warm tonight......please Lord, watch over this young man and may there be a Christmas miracle that he is returned safely.....lease:

 

[NC Analyzer]

So you think that his lawyer told him to stop all cooperation with LE? If the lawyer did say that it would seem to be a bit extreme in my opinion.

Couldn't the lawyer tell him something like "no more interviews with LE unless I'm present". Would that be considered as no longer cooperating?

I would like to know if LE has stated that MR has stopped cooperating or that they have a problem with his cooperation?

If he has an attorney, LE isn't going to interview him unless the attorney is present.
Also, LE will continue to say he is cooperating even if he has an attorney.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

OK dumb butt browser will not load that story. Please can someone tell me what DAY MR said this about being unable to reach the task force? TIA

Here's why,,,,,, we've been wondering if he hired/ retained an attorney. All we heard was that he consulted one to ' watch his back' ? ( a curious statement on its on but i digress) So if after consulting that attorney, he is still ON HIS OWN, trying to contact LE, then you can bet your paycheck he did not HIRE that attorney because no way would his attorney let him contact LE for anything. If anyone were to contact them, it would be the attorney and not MR. Correct?

All I can say is that lawyers clients don't always follow their advice.

 

[Kamille]

Valid point. Yet I wonder when a task force is in place somebody wouldn't get back to him ASAP?

Not if he's just calling one investigator's personal use investigative phone number and that investigator is not taking calls on that phone because he is on scheduled days off. He may even have told MR that he'd be away for a couple of days but would still be in contact with him if anything important came up. I'm sure the task force would be able to get in touch with an investigator on their own personal use phone if there was any kind of major break in the case. Perhaps MR just assumed that he would still answer calls or return messages even if he was technically off work.

I'm sure ER has one investigator that is her contact or "go to" person as well. Doubt they would both have the same one.

MOO

 

[Simply Caustic]

So you think that his lawyer told him to stop all cooperation with LE? If the lawyer did say that it would seem to be a bit extreme in my opinion.

Couldn't the lawyer tell him something like "no more interviews with LE unless I'm present". Would that be considered as no longer cooperating?

I would like to know if LE has stated that MR has stopped cooperating or that they have a problem with his cooperation?

I'd expect any attorney worth his salt would instruct his client not to say one darned word....unless the attorney was present, and even then, give the attorney carte blanche to say, "My client is not going to answer that." Now, given that his son is missing, I would imagine any father worth HIS salt would want to answer any and all questions that LE saw fit to ask...unless they were so out of bounds as to be irrelevant.

Now, if a client did do anything that crosses a legal line...(this is a TOTAL hypothetical, I'm inferring nothing about MR, just proving a point)...for example, anything so mundane as stealing cable, to something as extreme as fencing goods, for instance - an attorney should instruct the client not to answer the question IMO as it would incriminate himself, UNLESS the questioning pertained in some fashion to the investigation at hand. Although I'm a huge fan of LE, there are times that questioning goes beyond the scope of the investigation, and that's why I hold nothing against MR for retaining an attorney.

Now, were it to come out that he was not cooperating with LE, refusing to answer ANY questions, especially pertinent ones - well, that I would hold against him. MOO

 

[nursebeeme]

OK dumb butt browser will not load that story. Please can someone tell me what DAY MR said this about being unable to reach the task force? TIA

Here's why,,,,,, we've been wondering if he hired/ retained an attorney. All we heard was that he consulted one to ' watch his back' ? ( a curious statement on its on but i digress) So if after consulting that attorney, he is still ON HIS OWN, trying to contact LE, then you can bet your paycheck he did not HIRE that attorney because no way would his attorney let him contact LE for anything. If anyone were to contact them, it would be the attorney and not MR. Correct?

iirc the weekend of the search of his home (29th??? not sure) nearly a month ago

 

[Angelonline]

I thought I read that he had "consulted" with one but I'm not sure if he actually put down a retainer and hired one. LE are also still indicating that he is still co-operating since that search so I don't think he's refused to speak with them since then.

MOO

The article which I don't have the link handy actually said 'Mark Rdwine has hired a criminal attorney to watch his back' So yes I believe he hired one. The link is several threads back.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

If he has an attorney, LE isn't going to interview him unless the attorney is present.
Also, LE will continue to say he is cooperating even if he has an attorney.

Anyone can waive their right to have an attorney present when being questioned by police. Someone can have an attorney and cooperate completely and someone without an attorney can decide to not cooperate at all.

I would hope that LE would be honest about a persons cooperation regardless of whether they have legal representation or not.

 

[scorekeeper]

OK dumb butt browser will not load that story. Please can someone tell me what DAY MR said this about being unable to reach the task force? TIA

Here's why,,,,,, we've been wondering if he hired/ retained an attorney. All we heard was that he consulted one to ' watch his back' ? ( a curious statement on its on but i digress) So if after consulting that attorney, he is still ON HIS OWN, trying to contact LE, then you can bet your paycheck he did not HIRE that attorney because no way would his attorney let him contact LE for anything. If anyone were to contact them, it would be the attorney and not MR. Correct?

try this. it was 12/3/12

http://durangoherald.com/article/20...EARCH/Family-keeps-faith-through-adverse-time

 

[MrsPC]

do we really have any statements from law enforcement that he is cooperating (that were made after the search of his home/vehicles)

?

 

[Simply Caustic]

If he has an attorney, LE isn't going to interview him unless the attorney is present.
Also, LE will continue to say he is cooperating even if he has an attorney.

Your post reminded me about an old post on the Kyron Horman thread, back in July of 2010.....by WS member STEADFAST (respectfully attributed):



"Drew Peterson is cooperating with authorities."
http://www.suntimes.com/news/peterson/1563959,drew-peterson-timeline-050709.article

"According to reports, Scott Peterson has been going through his daybook, comparing notes, telling detectives where he has been. They say he has been cooperating."
http://www.kcra.com/news/1986518/detail.html

"Police say husband [of then missing Ryann Crow) Jesse Crow is cooperating." (He's now charged with her murder.)
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1002/16/ng.01.html

"Westerfield . . . was "overly cooperative" while they searched his house and motorhome, San Diego police Detective Johnny Keene said." (Convicted of murder of Danielle van Damm)
http://legacy.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/danielle/20020611-9999_noon.html

"Gebar Byrd, Sr., has been cooperating with us. He's answered questions at every turn we've asked. Anything we've asked him to do he's done," Ransom said. (Now charged with murder of his still-missing son.)
http://www.ksdk.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=200433

"She [Stacy Barker] is not in custody. She is cooperating with the
investigation," Nelson said. Barker is "not considered a suspect" at this
point, he said. [Emma Barker's body was located with no help from Stacy and Stacy Barker is now charged with her murder.]
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/mar/20/local/me-toddler-dead20

In court, there was a stunning answer from the Assistant State Attorney
when the judge asked him if [Dee Dee] Moore was being cooperative.
Assistant State Attorney Jay Pruner responds, "To the extent if cooperation involves giving a variety of explanations about how Mr. Shakespeare was killed including being killed by her 14-year-old son, her attorney, Mr. Shakespeare's cousin and drug dealer, or herself in self-defense; if that's cooperation your honor." (Dee Dee Moore is charged with the murder of Abraham Shakespeare.)
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/crime/020310dee-dee-moore-points-finger-at-own-son

 

[Kamille]

The article which I don't have the link handy actually said 'Mark Rdwine has hired a criminal attorney to watch his back' So yes I believe he hired one. The link is several threads back.

There were several sites that posted the sentence "Mark Redwine has told the Denver Post that he hired a criminal attorney to watch his back". But that is not what the Denver Post reported. Here is the link to the actual story that this quote was taken from and twisted IMO.

http://www.denverpost.com/recommended/ci_22108222

And the quote from them was....

"And he is trying to deal with the added weight of knowing that some people think he had something to do with his son's disappearance because he was the last one to see him. He has contacted a criminal-defense attorney to help him with that. And he said he is helping in the search in any way he can."

Not sure how that got morphed into "hired an attorney to watch his back" but that's the internet for you.

MOO

 

[Kamille]

Your post reminded me about an old post on the Kyron Horman thread, back in July of 2010.....by WS member STEADFAST (respectfully attributed):



"Drew Peterson is cooperating with authorities."
http://www.suntimes.com/news/peterson/1563959,drew-peterson-timeline-050709.article

"According to reports, Scott Peterson has been going through his daybook, comparing notes, telling detectives where he has been. They say he has been cooperating."
http://www.kcra.com/news/1986518/detail.html

"Police say husband [of then missing Ryann Crow) Jesse Crow is cooperating." (He's now charged with her murder.)
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1002/16/ng.01.html

"Westerfield . . . was "overly cooperative" while they searched his house and motorhome, San Diego police Detective Johnny Keene said." (Convicted of murder of Danielle van Damm)
http://legacy.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/danielle/20020611-9999_noon.html

"Gebar Byrd, Sr., has been cooperating with us. He's answered questions at every turn we've asked. Anything we've asked him to do he's done," Ransom said. (Now charged with murder of his still-missing son.)
http://www.ksdk.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=200433

"She [Stacy Barker] is not in custody. She is cooperating with the
investigation," Nelson said. Barker is "not considered a suspect" at this
point, he said. [Emma Barker's body was located with no help from Stacy and Stacy Barker is now charged with her murder.]
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/mar/20/local/me-toddler-dead20

In court, there was a stunning answer from the Assistant State Attorney
when the judge asked him if [Dee Dee] Moore was being cooperative.
Assistant State Attorney Jay Pruner responds, "To the extent if cooperation involves giving a variety of explanations about how Mr. Shakespeare was killed including being killed by her 14-year-old son, her attorney, Mr. Shakespeare's cousin and drug dealer, or herself in self-defense; if that's cooperation your honor." (Dee Dee Moore is charged with the murder of Abraham Shakespeare.)
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/crime/020310dee-dee-moore-points-finger-at-own-son

Sadly that list can have many other names added to it I'm sure.

MOO