CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #18

[scorekeeper]

http://www.gazette.com/articles/boy-148696-missing-monument.html

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Your post reminded me about an old post on the Kyron Horman thread, back in July of 2010.....by WS member STEADFAST (respectfully attributed):



"Drew Peterson is cooperating with authorities."
http://www.suntimes.com/news/peterson/1563959,drew-peterson-timeline-050709.article

"According to reports, Scott Peterson has been going through his daybook, comparing notes, telling detectives where he has been. They say he has been cooperating."
http://www.kcra.com/news/1986518/detail.html

"Police say husband [of then missing Ryann Crow) Jesse Crow is cooperating." (He's now charged with her murder.)
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1002/16/ng.01.html

"Westerfield . . . was "overly cooperative" while they searched his house and motorhome, San Diego police Detective Johnny Keene said." (Convicted of murder of Danielle van Damm)
http://legacy.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/danielle/20020611-9999_noon.html

"Gebar Byrd, Sr., has been cooperating with us. He's answered questions at every turn we've asked. Anything we've asked him to do he's done," Ransom said. (Now charged with murder of his still-missing son.)
http://www.ksdk.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=200433

"She [Stacy Barker] is not in custody. She is cooperating with the
investigation," Nelson said. Barker is "not considered a suspect" at this
point, he said. [Emma Barker's body was located with no help from Stacy and Stacy Barker is now charged with her murder.]
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/mar/20/local/me-toddler-dead20

In court, there was a stunning answer from the Assistant State Attorney
when the judge asked him if [Dee Dee] Moore was being cooperative.
Assistant State Attorney Jay Pruner responds, "To the extent if cooperation involves giving a variety of explanations about how Mr. Shakespeare was killed including being killed by her 14-year-old son, her attorney, Mr. Shakespeare's cousin and drug dealer, or herself in self-defense; if that's cooperation your honor." (Dee Dee Moore is charged with the murder of Abraham Shakespeare.)
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/crime/020310dee-dee-moore-points-finger-at-own-son

Seems from your example that cooperating with police tends to show that your guilty. Or is the point that if someone is not cooperating with police it means their likely innocent? I take it as it depends on each individual case. MOO.

 

[Marilynilpa]

http://www.gazette.com/articles/paper-148728-folder-thick.html

 

[aust amateur slueth]

I know if i had a missing child I would be such a royal pain in the azz LE likely would be not speaking with me any more than they had too lol. When i wasn't doing something constructive I would have a cot set up in their lobby lol Yep.

its interesting that ER has attended the vigil, searches, been on NG, has commented on social media, done interviews and also involved with the fundraising efforts within the community.

what have we seen MR involved in? the vigil, a search and a few interviews.

theres a sense of urgency and real distress with ERs response.

MR's response is very different.

I know everyone reacts differently but it still seems odd IMO

 

[Angelonline]

There were several sites that posted the sentence "Mark Redwine has told the Denver Post that he hired a criminal attorney to watch his back". But that is not what the Denver Post reported. Here is the link to the actual story that this quote was taken from and twisted IMO.

http://www.denverpost.com/recommended/ci_22108222

And the quote from them was....

"And he is trying to deal with the added weight of knowing that some people think he had something to do with his son's disappearance because he was the last one to see him. He has contacted a criminal-defense attorney to help him with that. And he said he is helping in the search in any way he can."

Not sure how that got morphed into "hired an attorney to watch his back" but that's the internet for you.

MOO

No that's the wrong article the one I read was a direct quote. I will look for it tomorrow and post the link.

 

[Simply Caustic]

Seems from your example that cooperating with police tends to show that your guilty. Or is the point that if someone is not cooperating with police it means their likely innocent? I take it as it depends on each individual case. MOO.

BBM.

Respectfully, I'm assuming the bolded portion above was exaggerated for emphasis? Surely one wouldn't think that, someone NOT cooperating, was likely innocent?

At least, that's not how I would interpret the data that I provided. I would infer that, given the laundry list of cases where LE states that an individual is, in fact, cooperating - and they are later indicted on charges directly relating to said investigation - that LE doesn't state whether or not one is uncooperative.

It's not so much about the (potential) suspect. It's about LE, and the amount of information they are willing to provide regarding an active, on-going investigation.

Hope that clarifies my point.

Just my opinion, 'course.

 

[missrugby]

Here are my thoughts and if course moo. If my child were missing an I had nothing to do with it whatsoever I wouldn't feel the need to hire a criminal attorney just because people were pointing the finger at me. In a time like that I would be thinking about finding my child not covering my behind. Yes I would let them search whatever they needed to, but it sure seems fishy e decided to "consult" with a criminal attorney after the search. IMO the only reason one would feel the need to do that is if they were afraid LE may have found something. Also, in the beginning MR wasn't talking, but hypothetically IF he did have anything to do with this he did start talking once he had time to gather his thoughts and once he wasn't running on adrenalin to feel comfortable enough to start talking....it's just a thought and only my opinion.

 

[Simply Caustic]

Here are my thoughts and if course moo. If my child were missing an I had nothing to do with it whatsoever I wouldn't feel the need to hire a criminal attorney just because people were pointing the finger at me. In a time like that I would be thinking about finding my child not covering my behind. Yes I would let them search whatever they needed to, but it sure seems fishy e decided to "consult" with a criminal attorney after the search. IMO the only reason one would feel the need to do that is if they were afraid LE may have found something. Also, in the beginning MR wasn't talking, but hypothetically IF he did have anything to do with this he did start talking once he had time to gather his thoughts and once he wasn't running on adrenalin to feel comfortable enough to start talking....it's just a thought and only my opinion.

I see where you are coming from, and I agree, to an extent. The only caveat that I'd add is this: We all have the right to be represented by counsel during an interrogation. No inferences are supposed to be drawn from exercising that right, although it does set off the hinky meter of a vast majority of those following the case (moo). So I try very hard not to pass any judgment on MR for doing just that, but it does raise my eyebrows, admittedly.

 

[kkdj]

its interesting that ER has attended the vigil, searches, been on NG, has commented on social media, done interviews and also involved with the fundraising efforts within the community.

what have we seen MR involved in? the vigil, a search and a few interviews.

theres a sense of urgency and real distress with ERs response.

MR's response is very different.

I know everyone reacts differently but it still seems odd IMO

Even tho he has been aggressive with his wives (at least) MR seems like a very socially withdrawn person to me.
I know other men like this, that are almost friendless, but at home can be tyrants!
Jmo

 

[missrugby]

Has LE interviewed anyone he works with to get a feel for his demeanor? I haven't heard anything regarding any friends he may have. If he is a drinker have they questioned anyone at the locals bars to find out if he has too much to drink he tends to be violent?

 

[kkdj]

Has LE interviewed anyone he works with to get a feel for his demeanor? I haven't heard anything regarding any friends he may have. If he is a drinker have they questioned anyone at the locals bars to find out if he has too much to drink he tends to be violent?

This is good thinking. Let's get a feel for his personality style and if he has friends and if he is known to be a drinker and or drugged.
His demeanor has struck me as depressed with an anger. Just a little something I caught. However, I'm not a psychologist, just a life experienced gal.
Jmo

 

[Deleted member 39678]

BBM.

Respectfully, I'm assuming the bolded portion above was exaggerated for emphasis? Surely one wouldn't think that, someone NOT cooperating, was likely innocent?

At least, that's not how I would interpret the data that I provided. I would infer that, given the laundry list of cases where LE states that an individual is, in fact, cooperating - and they are later indicted on charges directly relating to said investigation - that LE doesn't state whether or not one is uncooperative.

It's not so much about the (potential) suspect. It's about LE, and the amount of information they are willing to provide regarding an active, on-going investigation.

Hope that clarifies my point.

Just my opinion, 'course.

I was with you until I read this part of your post. "LE doesn't state whether or not one is uncooperative." Why not? It would certainly not hurt any part of their investigation to reveal something to the public that the "uncooperative" subject wasn't already aware of.

In my opinion putting out the fact that an individual is not cooperating with LE, in the search of a missing person is very important. LE should be upfront about this. MOO.

 

[jennapuppy]

I was with you until I read this part of your post. "LE doesn't state whether or not one is uncooperative." Why not? It would certainly not hurt any part of their investigation to reveal something to the public that the "uncooperative" subject wasn't already aware of.

In my opinion putting out the fact that an individual is not cooperating with LE, in the search of a missing person is very important. LE should be upfront about this. MOO.

LE is very vocal in their belief that Lisa Irwin's parents have not been cooperative with their investigation, just as they've stated that MR has been cooperative with this investigation.
imo

 

[Deleted member 39678]

LE is very vocal in their belief that Lisa Irwin's parents have not been cooperative with their investigation, just as they've stated that MR has been cooperative with this investigation.
imo

So LE is saying that MR is cooperating in this case? What's wrong with that by itself?

 

[Salem]

So you think that his lawyer told him to stop all cooperation with LE? If the lawyer did say that it would seem to be a bit extreme in my opinion.

Couldn't the lawyer tell him something like "no more interviews with LE unless I'm present". Would that be considered as no longer cooperating?

I would like to know if LE has stated that MR has stopped cooperating or that they have a problem with his cooperation?

No, I don't think any such thing. All the latest MSM continue to say that MR is not a suspect and he is not a POI and that he has been cooperating. Personally, I think he was wise to get an attorney. It was obvious to anyone watching, that LE appeared to be thinking MR had something to do with Dylan's disappearance. They thoroughly searched his home, impounded his vehicles and sat him down for a "moment by moment" talk. It was after that interview, that MR consulted an attorney. It was a smart move on his part, anyway you look at it. If he did have something to do with it, he will need a defense and if he didn't, then he desperately needs to get LE moving in the right direction to find his son. The lawyer can help him - in either case.

I have not seen anywhere where LE says that MR has stopped cooperating.

Salem

 

[Abby Normal Again]

its interesting that ER has attended the vigil, searches, been on NG, has commented on social media, done interviews and also involved with the fundraising efforts within the community.

what have we seen MR involved in? the vigil, a search and a few interviews.

theres a sense of urgency and real distress with ERs response.

MR's response is very different.

I know everyone reacts differently but it still seems odd IMO

The only real difference I see is that ER did NG (national) and a tiny amount facebook (social) MR has spoken only to local media. But he's also been accused at a national and social level- so is that hard to interpret?

I remember with Baby Lisa's parents when people said their desire to talk to national and ignore local was a red flag. I don't really know what I consider a red flag or a white flag anymore =P

 

[aust amateur slueth]

The only real difference I see is that ER did NG (national) and a tiny amount facebook (social) MR has spoken only to local media. But he's also been accused at a national and social level- so is that hard to interpret?

I remember with Baby Lisa's parents when people said their desire to talk to national and ignore local was a red flag. I don't really know what I consider a red flag or a white flag anymore =P

the difference I see is one hasn't been pleading for Dylans return

 

[Abby Normal Again]

the difference I see is one hasn't been pleasding for Dylans return

That's a good consideration, I will try and find the NG shows online to watch again, I couldn't remember much pleading from either side. They both talked to the media much less than I expected considering the national interest in the situation.

 

[mmmagique]

I was with you until I read this part of your post. "LE doesn't state whether or not one is uncooperative." Why not? It would certainly not hurt any part of their investigation to reveal something to the public that the "uncooperative" subject wasn't already aware of.

In my opinion putting out the fact that an individual is not cooperating with LE, in the search of a missing person is very important. LE should be upfront about this. MOO.

I believe in the baby Lisa (is that the right one? OMG, so many!) case, LE did state that the parents weren't cooperating. I don't think they say it very often though, and when they do, it's to put more pressure on the one they feel is not cooperating.

 

[jennapuppy]

So LE is saying that MR is cooperating in this case? What's wrong with that by itself?

I don't think anything is wrong with that. I was just contrasting the way the Irwins and MR were characterized by LE to the media.