CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #18

[Deleted member 39678]

I believe in the baby Lisa (is that the right one? OMG, so many!) case, LE did state that the parents weren't cooperating. I don't think they say it very often though, and when they do, it's to put more pressure on the one they feel is not cooperating.

Thank you. So it's possible, in your opinion, for LE to put pressure on a particular individual that they felt wasn't cooperating with them fully?

 

[Seajay]

The only real difference I see is that ER did NG (national) and a tiny amount facebook (social) MR has spoken only to local media. But he's also been accused at a national and social level- so is that hard to interpret?
I remember with Baby Lisa's parents when people said their desire to talk to national and ignore local was a red flag. I don't really know what I consider a red flag or a white flag anymore =P

BBM: Every time he opened his mouth he got words put in it that he didn't say. And he had fingers pointed at him by others when he was keeping to himself. He pretty much has been damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. In the local interview he said several times that Dylan was the most important thing, that none of this was about him and he didn't want the focus taken off Dylan. He was trying to put Dylan's name out there but all it seemed to viewers was that he was talking about himself and he wasn't pleading for Dylan's return. JMO

I just hope that Dylan is home by Christmas and whoever is responsible for his disappearance pays heavily for it, whoever that may be.

 

[Cardinal47]

LE is very vocal in their belief that Lisa Irwin's parents have not been cooperative with their investigation, just as they've stated that MR has been cooperative with this investigation.
imo

In the beginning. That was a long time ago. Now all I hear from LE is the sounds of silence!

 

[jennapuppy]

In the beginning. That was a long time ago. Now all I hear from LE is the sounds of silence!

LE gave the impression that MR cooperated with their investigation. He allowed them to search his home even without search warrants, was interviewed more than once and took a polygraph (which LE confirmed although they won't discuss the results). That's much more than the Irwins have done. LE has been very vocal in the Lisa Irwin and Ayla Reynolds cases about their suspicion of the parents. If LE feels strongly that MR is the perp in this case, they are not currently doing anything to indicate it.
imo

 

[asyousay]

LE gave the impression that MR cooperated with their investigation. He allowed them to search his home even without search warrants, was interviewed more than once and took a polygraph (which LE confirmed although they won't discuss the results). That's much more than the Irwins have done. LE has been very vocal in the Lisa Irwin and Ayla Reynolds cases about their suspicion of the parents. If LE feels strongly that MR is the perp in this case, they are not currently doing anything to indicate it.
imo

They did not do a full search till a week after as MR states this in a interview.

And i think a lot of people who think MR "may" be guilty do not think it happened anywhere near the home so it does not mean a lot if he let them search it as what was to find!!

 

[Eileen730]

But Elaine also stated he always got up and went to school . So he was not good in the mornings but that's why he got ready the night before .

So the question is he arranged to be at his friends the night before and he knew he had a early start so why did he not do what he normally did and get ready the night before ????

This is the same boy who prompted the meeting at 6:30am and stated if Ryan did not answer he would pester him all day . Sorry it does not ring true he did not get up the following morning IMO .

I believe it was in Durango but I have not seen an appointment time. There is the possibility he stopped by to make a payment....

If he making a payment why not wait and till he drops his son off where he wants to go or take him along , what was the urgency to go to the lawyers?

 

[Eileen730]

They did not do a full search till a week after as MR states this in a interview.

And i think a lot of people who think MR "may" be guilty do not think it happened anywhere near the home so it does not mean a lot if he let them search it as what was to find!!

I think they went back to the house because of what they found with walmart video and what they didnt find on other videos collected. Just speculations of course.

I do think they went back because they thought MR was not being honest with them. JMO Maybe is stories didnt add up.
I wuld think once Dyka went missing LE was watching the movements of dad and mom so if he went and got a car wash etc they would know.

Something led them back to that house!

 

[Eileen730]

BBM: Every time he opened his mouth he got words put in it that he didn't say. And he had fingers pointed at him by others when he was keeping to himself. He pretty much has been damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. In the local interview he said several times that Dylan was the most important thing, that none of this was about him and he didn't want the focus taken off Dylan. He was trying to put Dylan's name out there but all it seemed to viewers was that he was talking about himself and he wasn't pleading for Dylan's return. JMO

I just hope that Dylan is home by Christmas and whoever is responsible for his disappearance pays heavily for it, whoever that may be.

HE is the last person to be with his son!
HE is the last to be seen with his son!

He holds the key!

If he is ruled out I will move on but he hasnt been and I cant.

 

[asyousay]

HE is the last person to be with his son!
HE is the last to be seen with his son!

He holds the key!

If he is ruled out I will move on but he hasnt been and I cant.

And its been a 1 month now and still nobody has claimed to have spotted him on the Monday morning and i do not see that changing now.

So its a stale mate IMO!!

LE do not have the evidence to prove one way or the other if Dylan was there Monday morning :banghead:

M0O

 

[MissJ]

I think they went back to the house because of what they found with walmart video and what they didnt find on other videos collected. Just speculations of course.

I do think they went back because they thought MR was not being honest with them. JMO Maybe is stories didnt add up.
I wuld think once Dyka went missing LE was watching the movements of dad and mom so if he went and got a car wash etc they would know.

d
Eileen, did they go to the house more than once? Thanks

 

[Simply Caustic]

I was with you until I read this part of your post. "LE doesn't state whether or not one is uncooperative." Why not? It would certainly not hurt any part of their investigation to reveal something to the public that the "uncooperative" subject wasn't already aware of.

In my opinion putting out the fact that an individual is not cooperating with LE, in the search of a missing person is very important. LE should be upfront about this. MOO.

I should have said, LE doesn't ALWAYS state whether or not one is uncooperative. I'm sure there are instances where it works to their advantage to not declare that - perhaps, interviewing friends who would e less likely to offer up information, should they realize their buddy was a suspect, and not a victim.

However, in this case, I agree with you - it's important at this juncture, one month after Dylan went missing, to inform the public whether or not MR is a suspect. Not only would a confirmation or denial of that clear up a lot of suspicion regarding him in the public, but I'm sure it would relieve a lot of tension in his personal life, as well (for instance, friends/family who, perhaps, are wondering exactly what his role was, if any.)

I just can't foresee a good reason to hold off on that information. Yet, there may be a very good reason to do just that - and so, we wait.

MOO

 

[Eileen730]

I think they went back to the house because of what they found with walmart video and what they didnt find on other videos collected. Just speculations of course.

I do think they went back because they thought MR was not being honest with them. JMO Maybe is stories didnt add up.
I wuld think once Dyka went missing LE was watching the movements of dad and mom so if he went and got a car wash etc they would know.

d
Eileen, did they go to the house more than once? Thanks

Yes they did!
They went thru it the first days he went missing then went back later with a search warrant!

 

[Simply Caustic]

BBM: Every time he opened his mouth he got words put in it that he didn't say. And he had fingers pointed at him by others when he was keeping to himself. He pretty much has been damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. In the local interview he said several times that Dylan was the most important thing, that none of this was about him and he didn't want the focus taken off Dylan. He was trying to put Dylan's name out there but all it seemed to viewers was that he was talking about himself and he wasn't pleading for Dylan's return. JMO

I just hope that Dylan is home by Christmas and whoever is responsible for his disappearance pays heavily for it, whoever that may be.

Seajay, we don't see eye to eye on this issue, but I am with you wholeheartedly on what matters most...Dylan.
OFF TOPIC: I'll see you on the McStay thread!

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[Eileen730]

Im not so sure that a person involved with a crime is cooperating or not cooperating means much.
Usually a person retains a lawyer, (its the smart thing to dor no matter if they are involved or not)the lawyer usually if not always tells them to stop talking. So that makes even the innocent appear guilty. It is what it is!

What id like to know is if dad took and passed a poly?
Even a voice stress test anything to pretty much rule him out.

Whats interesting also is with all these missing persons with family members involved they always go cold because they cant prove anything.
I tend to think the number of missing persons cases NOT solved involve family or a loved one!
All JMO

 

[kkdj]

Im not so sure that a person involved with a crime is cooperating or not cooperating means much.
Usually a person retains a lawyer, (its the smart thing to dor no matter if they are involved or not)the lawyer usually if not always tells them to stop talking. So that makes even the innocent appear guilty. It is what it is!

What id like to know is if dad took and passed a poly?
Even a voice stress test anything to pretty much rule him out.

Whats interesting also is with all these missing persons with family members involved they always go cold because they cant prove anything.
I tend to think the number of missing persons cases NOT solved involve family or a loved one!
All JMO

Hmmm. Interesting deduction. Please give history of this. Very interesting!

 

[mmmagique]

Thank you. So it's possible, in your opinion, for LE to put pressure on a particular individual that they felt wasn't cooperating with them fully?

It's possible. I would say they more often say a poi is cooperating fully rather than saying they are not, as part of their strategy. They def. want to keep that person talking, and once they say "not cooperating" the poi often stops talking for good.

 

[Kamille]

I think they went back to the house because of what they found with walmart video and what they didnt find on other videos collected. Just speculations of course.

I do think they went back because they thought MR was not being honest with them. JMO Maybe is stories didnt add up.
I wuld think once Dyka went missing LE was watching the movements of dad and mom so if he went and got a car wash etc they would know.

Something led them back to that house!

I think they went back to the house because they realized eventually that this was not just a runaway or teenage leave the house on their own because they found something to do situation.

When you consider what they knew in the beginning, a 13yr old boy who is familiar with and has just returned to the area for a visit is not at home when his father returns from running errands, you can see why there was no urgency or suspicion. I bet LE receive lots of calls regarding missing teens that turn out to be a miscommunication between the teen and the parent. Or just a teen who wasn't thinking that maybe they should let someone know where they're going and for how long.

So when they went through the house the first time, it was likely just a look around to see if he was hiding out somewhere in the house or if there appeared to be any forced entry or anything amiss in the home that would suggest he didn't leave by his own accord.

When they found nothing like that, they got the word out that he was missing but probably still thought he'd show up once he realized his parents were looking for him. The well minded witnesses who thought they might have seen him with another boy probably stalled the urgency that this was a real missing person case as well.

So it took almost a full week for LE to really start investigating something other than a teenager who's just taken off on his own. Add to that, ER's suspicions and they started investigating this as possible foul play and obtained the search warrant.

MR was correct in the fact that they were about a week behind in investigating this as a true missing person/possible foul play/abduction situation. Because of his age likely. If he had been a young child, the house would have been taped off right away and the warrant would have been obtained right away. But then he wouldn't have been left sleeping alone while his father went to run errands, or at least MR wouldn't have been able to say that is what happened, so we'd have a whole different situation.

Unfortunately, teens just don't get the attention and urgency that young children do and investigations into their disappearances are not as effective IMO.

MOO

 

[mmmagique]

I think they went back to the house because of what they found with walmart video and what they didnt find on other videos collected. Just speculations of course.

I do think they went back because they thought MR was not being honest with them. JMO Maybe is stories didnt add up.
I wuld think once Dyka went missing LE was watching the movements of dad and mom so if he went and got a car wash etc they would know.

d
Eileen, did they go to the house more than once? Thanks

MissJ,

They did a quick look around when Dylan was first reported missing, with the father's consent. A couple of weeks later, they obtained a search warrant to do a more thorough search. (Mark says he would have allowed them to do all the searching they wanted, but the LE did cover their behinds for this more thorough search.)

 

[Eileen730]

Hmmm. Interesting deduction. Please give history of this. Very interesting!

Well if you go thru our missing list they are numerous.
Children, wives, girlfriends sisters and all last seen by fmily member or loved one.



Haleigh Cummings
Hailey Dunn
Ayla Reynolds
Kyron Horman
Isabel Celis
Sky Metalawa
Lisa Irwin

To name a few young ones

there are so many!

 

[scorekeeper]

I think this is the first time I have logged on to Dylan's thread and began reading on the same page that I logged off of the night before.

I have the same questions that I had 17 threads ago.

Did Dylan make it to Dad's house on Sunday evening?
Did the tracking dogs pick up his scent inside/outside of Dad's house and where did the scent lead them?

Every morning the guilty party gets up and looks at themselves in the mirror. How much longer can they do that without becoming heavy ridden with guilt? They have done it for over a month so I guess forever.

Dylan should be home with his loved ones -- Shaking his Christmas presents and planning what he was going to be doing over school break. But no, SOMEONE took those dreams away from him and I hope the guilt is eating at you from the inside out.