CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #18

[Eileen730]

I think they went back to the house because they realized eventually that this was not just a runaway or teenage leave the house on their own because they found something to do situation.

When you consider what they knew in the beginning, a 13yr old boy who is familiar with and has just returned to the area for a visit is not at home when his father returns from running errands, you can see why there was no urgency or suspicion. I bet LE receive lots of calls regarding missing teens that turn out to be a miscommunication between the teen and the parent. Or just a teen who wasn't thinking that maybe they should let someone know where they're going and for how long.

So when they went through the house the first time, it was likely just a look around to see if he was hiding out somewhere in the house or if there appeared to be any forced entry or anything amiss in the home that would suggest he didn't leave by his own accord.

When they found nothing like that, they got the word out that he was missing but probably still thought he'd show up once he realized his parents were looking for him. The well minded witnesses who thought they might have seen him with another boy probably stalled the urgency that this was a real missing person case as well.

So it took almost a full week for LE to really start investigating something other than a teenager who's just taken off on his own. Add to that, ER's suspicions and they started investigating this as possible foul play and obtained the search warrant.

MR was correct in the fact that they were about a week behind in investigating this as a true missing person/possible foul play/abduction situation. Because of his age likely. If he had been a young child, the house would have been taped off right away and the warrant would have been obtained right away. But then he wouldn't have been left sleeping alone while his father went to run errands, or at least MR wouldn't have been able to say that is what happened, so we'd have a whole different situation.

Unfortunately, teens just don't get the attention and urgency that young children do and investigations into their disappearances are not as effective IMO.

MOO

Unfortunately LE has to go by what iformation is given to them.
If that information is bogus the entire investigation is moot!
I think that is what happend here and LE had to go back and start ALL OVER from the very beginning with a completely different direction.
We cant blame LE .
I still say you can never rule out the last person to see a missing person TILL that person is found. JMO

 

[masootz]

Unfortunately LE has to go by what iformation is given to them.
If that information is bogus the entire investigation is moot!
I think that is what happend here and LE had to go back and start ALL OVER from the very beginning with a completely different direction.
We cant blame LE .
I still say you can never rule out the last person to see a missing person TILL that person is found. JMO

exactly what both you and kamille said. it's the old adage "garbage in, garbage out". you can't expect le to do a good job if the information they're taking in is incorrect. sometimes we need to stop and realize how many calls these officers take in a day, and how many of them end up not really being anything. they can't call in the fbi every time someone says they don't know where their kid is located so they do what they did here - took a best guess based on the circumstances, witnesses, etc. it's unfortunate when there is this kind of delay in getting the real story because it only increases the chances the person won't ever be found.

 

[summer_breeze]

http://www.gazette.com/articles/paper-148728-folder-thick.html

December 19, 2012 8:20 PM
GARRISON WELLS

<snipped>

Broad searches, hampered by harsh weather in the mountainous area, are no longer on the agenda.

The tips, Bender said, “don’t always lead to something, but we have to look at all of them, because one of those tips in a large stack of papers might lead us to Dylan.”

 

[OtherEyes]

O/T FruitTingles...
Is it already Dec 21, 2012 there in Australia?Just wondering if the world is still there?:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[Eileen730]

O/T FruitTingles...
Is it already Dec 21, 2012 there in Australia?Just wondering if the world is still there?:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

Oh Yea I forgot!
I was going to take tomorrow off but my boss wasnt going for it:floorlaugh:

 

[aust amateur slueth]

O/T FruitTingles...
Is it already Dec 21, 2012 there in Australia?Just wondering if the world is still there?:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

the worlds still here but everyones now a zombie

 

[OtherEyes]

the worlds still here but everyones now a zombie

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh: Thanks for the update! It's great to have Aussie friends! Now I can tell everyone here to chill out and party! LOL!

 

[aust amateur slueth]

Unfortunately LE has to go by what iformation is given to them.
If that information is bogus the entire investigation is moot!
I think that is what happend here and LE had to go back and start ALL OVER from the very beginning with a completely different direction.
We cant blame LE .
I still say you can never rule out the last person to see a missing person TILL that person is found. JMO

exactly and this is why I'm so adamant that we have to look at sunday night, you can't start an investigation anywhere you choose, you have to go by what facts you have, like Dylan arriving at 5.40pm, or there being video evidence that Dylan was at walmart. Starting with absolute proven facts means you have a solid base with which to work.

its like a book, you start at the begiining for a reason, you'll miss vital information if you start from somewhere in the middle.

Today has been very disheartening, I hope and pray that LE have a strong lead within their pile of tips. I hope Dylan is found soon, his family need him to be home.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh: Thanks for the update! It's great to have Aussie friends! Now I can tell everyone here to chill out and party! LOL!

you're welcome!

we might be in different countries but the internet really has made countries become second to the world.

 

[Monroe12]

:truce:

the difference I see is one hasn't been pleading for Dylans return

Does anyone remember the spectacle of Susan Smith pleading on national TV so desperately for the return of her babies?
Just moo, but I think many times the different ways parents respond to a tragedy like this may be gender based. Not trying to generalize or be sexist at all, but women and men have both natural and cultural ways of processing and providing info that are just not going to be the same in any given situation. And then throw in the fact that we humans are all individuals anyway, and you wind up with the potential for literally a vast spectrum of personal responses.
So I just don't think a lack of pleading on MRs part means anything at all.
I also think that because there is such a scarcity of evidence here that we may tend to way overthink things and infer far too much significance to the smallest nuances of behaviors and verbalizations in our efforts to resolve this sad and VERY frustrating case. It is almost as if Dylan has just vanished into a void! I pray for some small shred of evidence to come to light soon.

 

[SCHMAE]

:truce:

Does anyone remember the spectacle of Susan Smith pleading on national TV so desperately for the return of her babies?
Just moo, but I think many times the different ways parents respond to a tragedy like this may be gender based. Not trying to generalize or be sexist at all, but women and men have both natural and cultural ways of processing and providing info that are just not going to be the same in any given situation. And then throw in the fact that we humans are all individuals anyway, and you wind up with the potential for literally a vast spectrum of personal responses.
So I just don't think a lack of pleading on MRs part means anything at all.
I also think that because there is such a scarcity of evidence here that we may tend to way overthink things and infer far too much significance to the smallest nuances of behaviors and verbalizations in our efforts to resolve this sad and VERY frustrating case. It is almost as if Dylan has just vanished into a void! I pray for some small shred of evidence to come to light soon.

I see your point and agree. Neither parent may be ' cut out ' for those type of appearances. So why isn't LE pleading if they think he's been taken somewhere? :O

 

[mmmagique]

:truce:

Does anyone remember the spectacle of Susan Smith pleading on national TV so desperately for the return of her babies?
Just moo, but I think many times the different ways parents respond to a tragedy like this may be gender based. Not trying to generalize or be sexist at all, but women and men have both natural and cultural ways of processing and providing info that are just not going to be the same in any given situation. And then throw in the fact that we humans are all individuals anyway, and you wind up with the potential for literally a vast spectrum of personal responses.
So I just don't think a lack of pleading on MRs part means anything at all.
I also think that because there is such a scarcity of evidence here that we may tend to way overthink things and infer far too much significance to the smallest nuances of behaviors and verbalizations in our efforts to resolve this sad and VERY frustrating case. It is almost as if Dylan has just vanished into a void! I pray for some small shred of evidence to come to light soon.

I did a search for her plea, (it's not as easy to find as one might think) and came across [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15l9HQgAk4M"]this video about guilty people and their pleas to the public.[/ame]

Scott Peterson wanted the focus taken off of him, and put where it belonged; on finding Lacie...interesting...

Susan Smith was as cold as ice. I can't believe she confessed. She probably would have gotten away with it if she hadn't.

 

[asyousay]

The wall of silence is deafening and if we are frustrated , i dread to think how Elaine is coping .

If Dylan has been abducted then where is the desperation to get him back home to his family?

 

[SCHMAE]

The wall of silence is deafening and if we are frustrated , i dread to think how Elaine is coping .

If Dylan has been abducted then where is the desperation to get him back home to his family?

It is as if everyone knows what happened, maybe not the specifics and details, but they have a good idea of what has happened.

 

[Dee10]

exactly and this is why I'm so adamant that we have to look at sunday night, you can't start an investigation anywhere you choose, you have to go by what facts you have, like Dylan arriving at 5.40pm, or there being video evidence that Dylan was at walmart. Starting with absolute proven facts means you have a solid base with which to work.

its like a book, you start at the begiining for a reason, you'll miss vital information if you start from somewhere in the middle.

Today has been very disheartening, I hope and pray that LE have a strong lead within their pile of tips. I hope Dylan is found soon, his family need him to be home.

Absolutely! There is an old police saying "clear the ground under your boots." I think that is exactly what happened when the FBI officially came to town. Wish we knew what they are doing now.

 

[mmmagique]

SOMEBODY needs to do something.

If the parents don't keep reaching out, if LE refuses to supply any more information, this will go cold quickly.

It's horrible of me, but I kind of wonder if LE wants the public to forget this, because they have no clue what to do or where to search for Dylan. Some others may want this to fade into the background as well. If they don't, now would be a good time to...do something, to say something, to get attention back to this missing 13 year old boy!

 

[asyousay]

It is as if everyone knows what happened, maybe not the specifics and details, but they have a good idea of what has happened.

That is my fear.


Azgrandma said when she heard the hairs on the back of her neck stood up, Elaine's first reaction was " MR had done something" to his son.

So i do feel that that could be the general consensuses(sp) and there is unfortunately just no proof but a gut feeling to go on for them .. IMO

 

[Crosby87]

If MR and Dylan began arguing & fighting in the car and that's why there was no activity on Dylan&#8217;s phone after 8 pm, can MR hide this information from LE?

If they were fighting and Dylan was upset, wouldn&#8217;t he want to remove himself from the situation as soon as possible?

If Dylan couldn&#8217;t escape from the car, he would want to escape after they arrived at the house, so he may have run away when it was dark outside and he had an accident because he couldn&#8217;t see. If his cell phone was broken, he wouldn&#8217;t be able to call anyone for help.

How can LE know Dylan didn&#8217;t run away if they don&#8217;t know why Dylan stopped communicating on his cell phone at 8 pm? If they believe Dylan was at his father&#8217;s house, perhaps they should bring the scent dogs back to Mark&#8217;s house and try again.

If they were arguing in the home or car, no one else could see and hear what was going on.

If Dylan wanted to run away, he could have pretended to be asleep Sunday night and he ran away with his backpack when his father went to bed or left the room to use the bathroom.

I would think Dylan would leave during the night, but if he couldn&#8217;t, he might have pretended to be asleep when his father tried to arouse him so he wouldn&#8217;t have to leave with his father, and he ate breakfast before he ran away.

But I tend to believe after they started fighting, Dylan would want to remove himself from the situation asap and take off during the night if he was able to, and since there was no blood evidence, it seems Dylan was still able to leave. If that's the case, Mark wouldn't know where his son was when he was asked that question during an interview or when he took the polygraph test.

JMOO

 

[azgrandma]

Just wanted to add that if MR was meeting with his attorney, is it possible he was working on a Christmas visit? Getting Dylan sometime during that holiday? I'm wondering if azgrandma would be comfortable weighing in on whether MR would be the type to try to get visitation most often on known holidays that would put a real damper in the new family's celebration and mess up the child's holiday plans as well with having to travel back and forth and maybe missing out on family events with the parent that they live with. That would seem like the kind of spiteful move a disgruntled ex might pull.

MOO

(snipped)
In our case, there was a Christmas visit where the time was set, but IIRC the flight plans kept changing (MR was responsible for the flight) There was an emergency hearing and basically he was allowed to extend and change the visit because the tickets had been purchased.

 

[mmmagique]

If MR and Dylan began arguing & fighting in the car and that's why there was no activity on Dylan’s phone after 8 pm, can MR hide this information from LE?

If they were fighting and Dylan was upset, wouldn’t he want to remove himself from the situation as soon as possible?

If Dylan couldn’t escape from the car, he would want to escape after they arrived at the house, so he may have run away when it was dark outside and he had an accident because he couldn’t see. If his cell phone was broken, he wouldn’t be able to call anyone for help.

How can LE know Dylan didn’t run away if they don’t know why Dylan stopped communicating on his cell phone at 8 pm? If they believe Dylan was at his father’s house, perhaps they should bring the scent dogs back to Mark’s house and try again.

If they were arguing in the home or car, no one else could see and hear what was going on.

If Dylan wanted to run away, he could have pretended to be asleep Sunday night and he ran away with his backpack when his father went to bed or left the room to use the bathroom.

I would think Dylan would leave during the night, but if he couldn’t, he might have pretended to be asleep when his father tried to arouse him so he wouldn’t have to leave with his father, and he ate breakfast before he ran away.

But I tend to believe after they started fighting, Dylan would want to remove himself from the situation asap and take off during the night if he was able to, and since there was no blood evidence, it seems Dylan was still able to leave. If that's the case, Mark wouldn't know where his son was when he was asked that question during an interview or when he took the polygraph test.

JMOO

At the risk of adding another *if* to a long stream of *ifs*, if that did happen, why in the world would MR wait until almost 5 pm the next day to report it? And why would he not have mentioned any of that to LE?