CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #19

[cluciano63]

I think the bigger question is did LE bother to fit together the pieces... (???????)

JMO, but LE in this case have less than impressed me.

If they are at a dead end, they need to open up and ASK the public for help.
Give people something to go on.
They are acting like this is CIA classified stuff. It's Not. It's a matter of PUBLIC interest.

Truth is, someone, somewhere could probably give them VITAL information is they would just ASK for what they need.

Yeah, I don't get this top secret attitude of so many LE agencies regarding missing kids. It is the number one fear for most parents. I really think all LE is sadly unprepared to handle these cases, especially when child was last known to be with a parent. Sometimes I can almost see them shrugging as if to say, well we have our suspicions but there is nothing we can do about it.

If Dylan is no longer alive, I am not even sure that finding him will provide answers. Sometimes yes, sometimes no. I know, rights and all that, but I wish there were ways to deal with the adults in these cases to enable LE to really either clear them or not. In every case I know of where they have been unable to rule out a parent or step, the child remains missing. I think LE figures those parents, if guilty, are not a threat to other children so they can just sit on it and hope for luck one day.

I don't have any answers but I know I would be begging police to test me, interrogate me, whatever, just get past me and move on. I remain astounded by the parents of some missing kids that seem to just fade away. Why aren't they all picketing the local media and police station? I don't think I could do anything else. Organize marches, protests, anything to drum up interest and support.

If police are stumped, they need to admit it and hold a PC and ask for help.
These cases are costing me my sanity. And children remain missing and soon fall out of the news altogether as though they never existed.

 

[Dee10]

So i am saying then he should sit down and address them. To not do seems strange as if he is totally innocent then his name is being dragged though the mud .

I agree by being silent sure didn't help Terrie Horman, but she also is not in :jail:

 

[Eileen730]

I understand what you are saying, but once ER pointed the finger at MR, there really is nothing he can say to sway the attention from himself. ER has sympathy on her side, and the public will not be easily swayed, unless she sways them. He actually handled the accusations well by responding with sympathy for ER. Do I think he is guilty? Yep.

Sierra Lamar's dad came clean! He didnt want his past to hinder finding his daughter.

 

[LotusPawprint]

Yeah, I don't get this top secret attitude of so many LE agencies regarding missing kids. It is the number one fear for most parents. I really think all LE is sadly unprepared to handle these cases, especially when child was last known to be with a parent. Sometimes I can almost see them shrugging as if to say, well we have our suspicions but there is nothing we can do about it.

If Dylan is no longer alive, I am not even sure that finding him will provide answers. Sometimes yes, sometimes no. I know, rights and all that, but I wish there were ways to deal with the adults in these cases to enable LE to really either clear them or not. In every case I know of where they have been unable to rule out a parent or step, the child remains missing. I think LE figures those parents, if guilty, are not a threat to other children so they can just sit on it and hope for luck one day.

I don't have any answers but I know I would be begging police to test me, interrogate me, whatever, just get past me and move on. I remain astounded by the parents of some missing kids that seem to just fade away. Why aren't they all picketing the local media and police station? I don't think I could do anything else. Organize marches, protests, anything to drum up interest and support.

If police are stumped, they need to admit it and hold a PC and ask for help.
These cases are costing me my sanity. And children remain missing and soon fall out of the news altogether as though they never existed.

Guess what? Shockingly, I agree with you! Again! :what:

I honestly try to keep at the forefront of my mind that parents and family members will all have different reactions to these situations, and lord knows I don't always act the way I should.
Clearly there's no playbook but if your loved one or your child is missing, how you don't move heaven and earth until you have answers is beyond me. Baby Lisa's parents among others make me :furious:

It feels like we've been at the same crossroads for a few weeks now. I really do question whether LE has made much progress, not for lack of effort but because there's nothing to work with and they're not using their resources. I can't figure out the media either, it almost seems like there's a quiet understanding between LE and the local press that there will not be any specific questions asked or addressed. I really want to give everyone the benefit of the doubt but I'm not able to at this point....

 

[Eileen730]

I agree by being silent sure didn't help Terrie Horman, but she also is not in :jail:

Exactly!
You dont say anything.
They have to prove you did it!
You dont have to prove you didnt.

 

[rebeccaeee]

Guess what? Shockingly, I agree with you! Again! :what:


It feels like we've been at the same crossroads for a few weeks now. I really do question whether LE has made much progress, not for lack of effort but because there's nothing to work with and they're not using their resources. I can't figure out the media either, it almost seems like there's a quiet understanding between LE and the local press that there will not be any specific questions asked or addressed. I really want to give everyone the benefit of the doubt but I'm not able to at this point....

Yeah, I wonder why the bloodhound searches at the darned lake again. It's like they're still putting faith in the water dogs. That's the only new search news and the FB page seems focused on spreading Dylan's pic far and wide these days, which makes sense but....? If we have to abandon hope of finding a body until the snow melts, I suppose there is no harm in promoting Dylan's pic all over the four corners area and then some. It's all anyone who is not LE can do and it feels pretty small.

 

[ThePhantom]

Forgive me if someone has already mentioned this, but like many of you, it bothered the hell out of me with how long it took for Josh Powell to be exposed for what he did to his wife -- but sadly, at the expense of his beautiful little children.

 

[catswhiskers]

Regarding the Walmart photo. Remember that these are not normal video cams - they are very poor quality and only meant to capture suspicious behaviour like potential theft/shoplifting. Given that the cameras are in fixed positions, and that Dylan is wearing a cap, the still we have seen of Dylan is likely the very best single frame they could find showing his face and clothing. And IMO it would have already been enhanced significantly by LE to make it suitable for release to the public. The person on fb who worked on it further had good intentions, but has probably made the pic less accurate than it already was.
Parents of missing children, who are also victims, don't always seek media attention. Am I correct in recalling that Jessica Ridgeway's mum and immediate family only appeared in that one extended sit down interview? I do remember that here on WS that was picked over by some quite critically - mum's story wasn't straight, did she or didn't she see her leave the house, mum spoke in the past tense, why did she not answer her phone, was Jessica home alone, who was that kid pulling faces in the background???? The good old hinky meters were clanging loudly ... But now we realise that family was a picture of quite grace and dignity given what they went through.
If it turns out that MR isn't involved, IMO he has shown a pretty brave and understanding face given the public scrutiny and criticism he has been subject to in the past weeks.

:moo:

 

[LotusPawprint]

I could be totally wrong but i get the impression he may not have many friends .

He did not mention any plans with friends for Thanksgiving (apart from a brother) and nobody has come forward on his side of the fence to back him up.

I get the same impression.

Answering my own question if we've heard from any of MR's friends, associates, etc. -- rereading this article from 12/18, I finally found someone:

[....] Jim Schank, who owns the Schank House Bar & Grill at Vallecito, said it just wasn't the same this year.

"Overall, this community is still lost until Dylan is found," Schank said.

He said Dylan's dejected-appearing father Mark Redwine occasionally comes in to buy cigarettes.

"He's lost a lot of weight," Schank said.


That clears it up.

 

[katydid23]

I could be totally wrong but i get the impression he may not have many friends .

He did not mention any plans with friends for Thanksgiving (apart from a brother) and nobody has come forward on his side of the fence to back him up.

I thought it was really odd that he said that he and D would have Thanksgiving day all to themselves. It seems more like a day that he would go have dinner with friends and celebrate together in a group.

My DH has a co-worker who is divorced, and has no family in this area. He gets lots of invitations on the Holidays to come and share Thanksgiving and Christmas with others. Especially when his 12 yr old DD is visiting him. We had them over for Christmas Eve last year.

So it has bothered me that MR has lived in that town for so many years, and yet has no local invites for Thanksgiving dinner. jmo

 

[ThePhantom]

Brings to mind the Amanda Cope case where the Dad looked guilty as hell. Only he wasn't. It's getting tiring and sore but I guess I'll just continue sitting with the rest of the fence sitters -- teetering back and forth waiting to hear just alittle more before I fall over

 

[cluciano63]

Regarding the Walmart photo. Remember that these are not normal video cams - they are very poor quality and only meant to capture suspicious behaviour like potential theft/shoplifting. Given that the cameras are in fixed positions, and that Dylan is wearing a cap, the still we have seen of Dylan is likely the very best single frame they could find showing his face and clothing. And IMO it would have already been enhanced significantly by LE to make it suitable for release to the public. The person on fb who worked on it further had good intentions, but has probably made the pic less accurate than it already was.
Parents of missing children, who are also victims, don't always seek media attention. Am I correct in recalling that Jessica Ridgeway's mum and immediate family only appeared in that one extended sit down interview? I do remember that here on WS that was picked over by some quite critically - mum's story wasn't straight, did she or didn't she see her leave the house, mum spoke in the past tense, why did she not answer her phone, was Jessica home alone, who was that kid pulling faces in the background???? The good old hinky meters were clanging loudly ... But now we realise that family was a picture of quite grace and dignity given what they went through.
If it turns out that MR isn't involved, IMO he has shown a pretty brave and understanding face given the public scrutiny and criticism he has been subject to in the past weeks.

:moo:

Until parents are ruled out, they have to be considered possible suspects, not just by us but by LE. Too often, they are the guilty parties.

I don't like focusing on a parent, but when time drags on and still LE makes no effort to even hint that the parent is cleared, or issue a new statement about how cooperative they still are, it is hard not to at least consider the possibility. I know it is next to impossible to really clear someone if they don't have an alibi placing them elsewhere, but it is possible for police to indicate to the public which direction they are leaning. They have left MR out there to twist in the wind, IMO.

And if they really do NOT think he is involved, it is the community that LE is doing a disservice to.

 

[katydid23]

Until parents are ruled out, they have to be considered possible suspects, not just by us but by LE. Too often, they are the guilty parties.

I don't like focusing on a parent, but when time drags on and still LE makes no effort to even hint that the parent is cleared, or issue a new statement about how cooperative they still are, it is hard not to at least consider the possibility. I know it is next to impossible to really clear someone if they don't have an alibi placing them elsewhere, but it is possible for police to indicate to the public which direction they are leaning. They have left MR out there to twist in the wind, IMO.

And if they really do NOT think he is involved, it is the community that LE is doing a disservice to.

I remember in Sierra Lamar's case we were looking sideways at her dad, and rightfully so, because he had done time for molestation. But he passed his poly and he was very vocal about his past, and his innocence in her disappearance. And MOST important, LE came out and strongly professed his innocence as well.

And they publicly ruled out her mother and the live in boyfriend too.

But I don't see that happening the same way here at all.

 

[ThePhantom]

Is it my imagination, or has information relating to this case been rather scant as compared to other missing children's cases?

 

[katydid23]

Is it my imagination, or has information relating to this case been rather scant as compared to other missing children's cases?

It's not your imagination.

 

[tiredblondy]

Actually they can, not that I am talking from experience or anything :angel:

In fact she was the one that called 911 to tell them she did not want to go. I truly felt bad for the frustrated LE.

Felt worse for the CPS worker that arrived, as my daughter decided that since she had just learned about emancipation, that it was a great tool.

Imagine her surprise when my ex and I discussed that yes we did have to feed her balanced meals, but balanced meals did not include junk food.

She started to waver as we discussed further that yes we did have to provide her shelter, but we were not obligated to provide ipads, ipods, cell phones, stereos, tv etc.

She then backed off when we discussed that yes we must provide clothing but not jeans that cost 100 dollars.

Had a CPS worker laughing as she left my home, my daughter chose to go with her father, and dang it she never brought up emancipation again.

Much to our chagrin :angel:

LOL I still remember my 13 yr old daughter threatening to call social services in one of her temper tantrums. I picked up the phone and gave it to her and gave her the number and she threw it down and stomped off.

 

[cluciano63]

LOL I still remember my 13 yr old daughter threatening to call social services in one of her temper tantrums. I picked up the phone and gave it to her and gave her the number and she threw it down and stomped off.

OT but you are lucky. One call can result in nightmares of red tape, even if done in jest or haste.

 

[catswhiskers]

I thought it was really odd that he said that he and D would have Thanksgiving day all to themselves. It seems more like a day that he would go have dinner with friends and celebrate together in a group.

My DH has a co-worker who is divorced, and has no family in this area. He gets lots of invitations on the Holidays to come and share Thanksgiving and Christmas with others. Especially when his 12 yr old DD is visiting him. We had them over for Christmas Eve last year.

So it has bothered me that MR has lived in that town for so many years, and yet has no local invites for Thanksgiving dinner. jmo

BBM but we don't actually know this do we? Lots of assumptions are being made here about MR and almost every facet of his life. Tomorrow is Christmas Day, and as much as I love spending the day at my mum's with family - I have this secret wish to be able to spend that day at home every now and again. My teen boys feel the same way - all their lives they have opened their gifts and then had to leave them at home so we can head out for the day. Anyhow I think judging someone because of their holiday plans (or lack of) is yet another huge reach. Especially given that the mention of a previous enjoyable sounding holiday was also criticised and deemed unbelievable.
:moo:

 

[scorekeeper]

I get the same impression.

Answering my own question if we've heard from any of MR's friends, associates, etc. -- rereading this article from 12/18, I finally found someone:

[....] Jim Schank, who owns the Schank House Bar & Grill at Vallecito, said it just wasn't the same this year.

"Overall, this community is still lost until Dylan is found," Schank said.

He said Dylan's dejected-appearing father Mark Redwine occasionally comes in to buy cigarettes.

"He's lost a lot of weight," Schank said.


That clears it up.

Is the Hess lady the only person in the area that knows him? Heck, the guy he buys his cigarettes from didn't even say anything positive. It's not like he moved there in July...No one is supporting this guy. Why?

You know if he had been quoted in the media on the Tuesday after Dylan was reporting missing asking for help in finding his son, asking neighbors if they saw anyone suspcious and answering calls and texts, I might feel different about him....but he ignored everyone and then put the blame on ER for not getting together with him because their son was missing-JMO.

There was no reason for him to "wait" on Elaine......he had a whole week to ask for help from the media before she talked to ABC.....the way it has played out, he gets to play the "poor, poor pitiful me" card....always blaming someone else

JMO/MOO

 

[katydid23]

BBM but we don't actually know this do we? Lots of assumptions are being made here about MR and almost every facet of his life. Tomorrow is Christmas Day, and as much as I love spending the day at my mum's with family - I have this secret wish to be able to spend that day at home every now and again. My teen boys feel the same way - all their lives they have opened their gifts and then had to leave them at home so we can head out for the day. Anyhow I think judging someone because of their holiday plans (or lack of) is yet another huge reach. Especially given that the mention of a previous enjoyable sounding holiday was also criticised and deemed unbelievable.
:moo:

I am going by things that have been said by MR himself and his two exes.

Do you think a 13 yr old boy wants to sit with a father he barely knows and does not see very much, and eat dinner alone on Thanksgiving? I find that hard to believe. Thanksgiving is all about friends and family and large homemade feasts. Why wouldn't MR make plans to have a nice celebration for Dylan on Thanksgiving, instead of saying they would have it all to themselves?

Your example of your kids wanting to stay home with their presents on Christmas morn makes plenty of sense. My kids used to feel the same way. But I don't see this as the same thing at all. JMO