CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #19

[mmmagique]

I know I have brought this up before, but wouldn't it be helpful to issue an amber alert? I keep thinking what if, what if he is still alive and by now he could be anywhere. What if someone in a state far away has him and no one knows who he is? Is he not endangered? I don't know.

Well happy Christmas Eve, but unfortunately without Dylan. Hey buddy you still have like a bunch of iPhones waiting for you!

To all WS-ers merry Christmas Eve and happy holidays!

An Amber alert is for certain specific circumstances. It's for when a child is abducted and we know who the abductor is or at least what (s)he looks like, and/or what kind of car they're in.

Here's a quick break down of what they need to issue one:

There is reasonable belief by law enforcement that an abduction has occurred.

The law enforcement agency believes that the child is in imminent danger of serious bodily injury or death.

There is enough descriptive information about the victim and the abduction for law enforcement to issue an AMBER Alert to assist in the recovery of the child.

The abduction is of a child aged 17 years or younger.

The child’s name and other critical data elements, including the Child Abduction flag, have been entered into the National Crime Information Center (NCIC) system.

Here's a link to the Amber Alert site for more info: http://www.amberalert.gov/

 

[SCHMAE]

Bless you, Seajay. You're such a sweet person.

Look at this old news story. I love it.

Originally on KFVS12.com March 13, 2003

Elizabeth Smart Gives Hope to Shawn Hornbeck Family
By: Kate Scott

RICHWOODS, Mo. --The safe return of Elizabeth Smart has given new hope to the family of a missing Heartland boy.Eleven-year old Shawn Hornbeck was last seen near his Richwoods, Missouri home on October 6th.

While Shawn's family has never given up on his safe return, now they say they have even more reason to keep searching.

“I always keep that hope that we're going to find him alive,” says Shawn’s mother, Pam Akers. “But as time goes by, I have to be honest…the last couple of weeks it's been extremely hard on me. This definitely was the good news that I needed to renew my hope and renew my energy.” Pam Akers hasn't seen her son for more than five months now, since that fateful day the eleven-year old went out for a bike ride and never came home.

http://www.kfvs12.com/story/1177103/elizabeth-smart-gives-hope-to-shawn-hornbeck-family


Missing Boys William 'Ben' Ownby, Shawn Hornbeck Found Alive in Missouri
Published January 13, 2007 - http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,243479,00.html#ixzz2Fz7mfDT0

I wonder how those boys are faring today, specifically the one held for 4 years.

 

[TxLady2]

Reading your posts on this scenario, I'm finding it plausible. On the surface, it seems like an absurd plan for someone to carry out and even as one tries to make sense of it, it's still seems ridiculous. But I think that's the point... most crimes don't make sense.
No matter what happened to Dylan, there was a crime committed. No matter who was/is involved, that person(s) is guilty of a crime.

I am struggling to make several pieces of the puzzle fit with the idea of someone known to Dylan hiding him, even with the knowledge that it was likely not well thought out. I still can't figure out what the end game is and how long this is supposed to go on. He's 13 and can speak. Eventually he'd have to come out of hiding and he'll be debriefed and he would tell everyone what happened and those responsible would be held accountable and be in serious trouble. I understand in this scenario, the more time goes by the panic gets worse but those involved would be digging themselves a deeper grave.
I also can't figure out how anyone associated with Dylan who may be involved in this kind of plan would be completely off the radar of LE/FBI and not checked out, cleared, interviewed, etc. If LE thinks there's someone they need to speak with and can't locate that person, I'd think this would be a time to involve the public.
All JMO.
But I appreciate your posts as they give me something else to think about.

Well, at least you're willing to think about other possibilities, instead of just believing that Mark killed him because the majority believes it.

There is also the possibility that he was outside, on or near the road, and some perv came along and offered him a ride. Forget the preconceived ideas that "he wouldn't thumb a ride" and all that... we don't know what any kid that age might do, not even our own kids.

Just keep an open mind... that's what all of us should do.

 

[The Cheese]

I wonder how those boys are faring today, specifically the one held for 4 years.

Here's Shawn's website - http://www.shawnhornbeck.com/

 

[mmmagique]

Well, at least you're willing to think about other possibilities, instead of just believing that Mark killed him because the majority believes it.

There is also the possibility that he was outside, on or near the road, and some perv came along and offered him a ride. Forget the preconceived ideas that "he wouldn't thumb a ride" and all that... we don't know what any kid that age might do, not even our own kids.

Just keep an open mind... that's what all of us should do.

I agree. To all *reasonable* possibilities. I believe either some stranger abducted him (or worse) or the last person he was seen with did. I believe I am keeping an open mind.

I guess I *do* lean to the last theory a bit more due to the lack of communication with anyone after 8 pm.

 

[TxLady2]

Not if the crime does not result in blood.

Hello... there is always a crime scene, if someone is killed, even if there is no blood involved. A victim can be strangled to death. Hair and skin particles from the perp can sometimes be found. You cannot be in a place without leaving something of yourself behind.
The little boy who was found in the septic tank recently in my area... they don't know where he was killed, he was dead before he was put into the septic tank... but that was a crime scene, once they found him.

 

[cluciano63]

Hello... there is always a crime scene, if someone is killed, even if there is no blood involved. A victim can be strangled to death. Hair and skin particles from the perp can sometimes be found. You cannot be in a place without leaving something of yourself behind.
The little boy who was found in the septic tank recently in my area... they don't know where he was killed, he was dead before he was put into the septic tank... but that was a crime scene, once they found him.

But if the person is killed where their skin and hair would normally be found and the body removed at once?

 

[scorekeeper]

I agree. To all *reasonable* possibilities. I believe either some stranger abducted him (or worse) or the last person he was seen with did. I believe I am keeping an open mind.

I guess I *do* lean to the last theory a bit more due to the lack of communication with anyone after 8 pm.

I have to agree with you based on the information we have received OR the information we have NOT received. And that darn phone/no contact. Plus not knowing about the dogs.....

I am a bleeding heart social worker and a dreamer; I do so hope from the bottom of my heart he is safe and sound. But the odds are against that.

But wouldn't it be a Christmas miracle!

 

[TxLady2]

I will have to respectfully disagree i am afraid. I would love for MR to give a account of that night and the following morning and if it was all explained in a plausible fashion then i would listen and i am sure many would as well.

Nothing at all is set in stone here and if MR can explain away some of the co-wink-a-dinks i would listen .

But that is the point. He does not have to give US anything. He does need to give a full account to LE and maybe he has, several times. But he doesn't have to explain anything to the public. End of story.
What the poster is saying is, everything he says in defense of himself is going to be torn apart by everyone. Half of what he says will be either left out or distorted by the media, at their whim. It's better for his sake if he just refuses to talk to reporters.
When he stops talking to LE and answering questions, that's when it gets to be a problem. And they said he is cooperating, so until they come out and say he has clammed up and not speaking with them now, I have to believe he is still cooperating. That's all we need to know.

 

[Eileen730]

What if they are killed on the side of the road!
What if its a one punch thing!
What if he was hit by a truck? Run over?

 

[Eileen730]

All we have are what if's!

 

[Eileen730]

But that is the point. He does not have to give US anything. He does need to give a full account to LE and maybe he has, several times. But he doesn't have to explain anything to the public. End of story.
What the poster is saying is, everything he says in defense of himself is going to be torn apart by everyone. Half of what he says will be either left out or distorted by the media, at their whim. It's better for his sake if he just refuses to talk to reporters.
When he stops talking to LE and answering questions, that's when it gets to be a problem. And they said he is cooperating, so until they come out and say he has clammed up and not speaking with them now, I have to believe he is still cooperating. That's all we need to know.

I honestly think if he gave a full account to le and passed a poly LE would have come out and said this man has been cleared of all suspicion. I would see no reason for them not to.
JMO

 

[scorekeeper]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=194051&highlight=skylar+dials

O/T Skylar's killer was the last to see her and assisted with the searches.

Sometimes the obvious is the answer.

 

[The Cheese]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=194051&highlight=skylar+dials

O/T Skylar's killer was the last to see her and assisted with the searches.

Sometimes the obvious is the answer.

That's a good example. He was obvious to the police. They even took him in for questioning. But he wasn't obvious to anyone here. We didn't even know of his existence.

The police in Dylan's case, or any missing child case, can have somebody in their sights and the public not know who it is.

 

[mmmagique]

That's a good example. He was obvious to the police. They even took him in for questioning. But he wasn't obvious to anyone here. We didn't even know of his existence.

The police in Dylan's case, or any missing child case, can have somebody in their sights and the public not know who it is.

I hope that they do. And that they find who did this. And that (s)he confesses to whatever it is they did. And that we find Dylan and BRING HIM HOME.

 

[TxLady2]

Yeah, I don't get this top secret attitude of so many LE agencies regarding missing kids. It is the number one fear for most parents. I really think all LE is sadly unprepared to handle these cases, especially when child was last known to be with a parent. Sometimes I can almost see them shrugging as if to say, well we have our suspicions but there is nothing we can do about it.

If Dylan is no longer alive, I am not even sure that finding him will provide answers. Sometimes yes, sometimes no. I know, rights and all that, but I wish there were ways to deal with the adults in these cases to enable LE to really either clear them or not. In every case I know of where they have been unable to rule out a parent or step, the child remains missing. I think LE figures those parents, if guilty, are not a threat to other children so they can just sit on it and hope for luck one day.

I don't have any answers but I know I would be begging police to test me, interrogate me, whatever, just get past me and move on. I remain astounded by the parents of some missing kids that seem to just fade away. Why aren't they all picketing the local media and police station? I don't think I could do anything else. Organize marches, protests, anything to drum up interest and support.

If police are stumped, they need to admit it and hold a PC and ask for help.
These cases are costing me my sanity. And children remain missing and soon fall out of the news altogether as though they never existed.

What kind of help do you think the public would be able to provide LE? The general public is not trained in investigations. Some might like to think they are detectives, but I think most wouldn't have a clue how to go about it.

As for the people in that area, they may not know any more than we do. If someone knew something, saw or heard something, they should have already come forward by now.

I can't see any benefit to LE holding a PC to announce that they're stumped and need the public's help. All that would do is cause everybody to lose confidence in their local LE and they don't need that.

They may not have had much experience with missing kids in that area, but the FBI is highly experienced and trained. If they can't figure this out, I doubt the general public can.

 

[katydid23]

That's a good example. He was obvious to the police. They even took him in for questioning. But he wasn't obvious to anyone here. We didn't even know of his existence.

The police in Dylan's case, or any missing child case, can have somebody in their sights and the public not know who it is.

Actually, some of us clued right in on the 'father' of the girl whose house she went to , and were suspicious of him immediately. WS rocks.

 

[Flutterflies]

What work obligations did this man have?
Er dosent even know what he does for a living!

Work is no excuse if ya ask me unless hes in the military!
They say he went out of the area for work returning every few weeks well Hello
as i see it hes had opportunity!

Like I keep saying over and over If this man has alcohol issues this would explain all this, they alienate everyone. And putting kids on the back burner is one of the signs. Its a sickness and if he didnt get help for it he wouldnt have changed. the ppl that live in the area probably know of all the problems between Mom and dad and the family. Seems very very strange no one is saying anything at all. I feel Elaine only came out and said what she said about her EX was to get it out there that there have been alot of problems and she wanted her ex looked at very closely and I do not blame her. All JMO
All JMO

Elaine gave the excuse not me. I simply wonder about the father son relationship prior to the three years prior to the move where ER says MR did not see DR much due to work. The father son relationship from ages birth to ten years old, I am wondering about those years, especially from the time ER and MR split and lived separately. Additionally, the time when they were together as a family. Did they do family activities together, father-son activities? So many questions, so few answers.

IMO, Elaine said what she said about her ex due to their family dysfunction that DR was a victim of.

**I know no one here has these answers. Nevertheless, I do wonder about those years, therefore my post.**

 

[TxLady2]

I honestly think if he gave a full account to le and passed a poly LE would have come out and said this man has been cleared of all suspicion. I would see no reason for them not to.
JMO

I can see several reasons why they won't come out and say he's cleared. One, there was nobody else besides Dylan Sun. night or Mon. morning to verify that everything he has said is true. Bad luck for him. Two, they said nobody was cleared. Nobody. Three, some LE never publicly clear anyone until the case is closed. That's just how they roll.

Forget the polygraph. Guilty people can pass them, innocent people can fail them. They are only a tool... nothing more, nothing less. They do not clear anyone. They are not admissible in court.<Mod Snip>

 

[cluciano63]

What kind of help do you think the public would be able to provide LE? The general public is not trained in investigations. Some might like to think they are detectives, but I think most wouldn't have a clue how to go about it.

As for the people in that area, they may not know any more than we do. If someone knew something, saw or heard something, they should have already come forward by now.

I can't see any benefit to LE holding a PC to announce that they're stumped and need the public's help. All that would do is cause everybody to lose confidence in their local LE and they don't need that.

They may not have had much experience with missing kids in that area, but the FBI is highly experienced and trained. If they can't figure this out, I doubt the general public can.

I just don't think it is obvious to the average person to think about people who acted oddly, called in sick, cleaned their cars, etc. we here are used to hearing those things from LE but most people are not. They need to be asked to consider these ideas. It may already be too late in this case, but since it was a holiday week, now might be a good time to ask folks to think back. People had company visiting, etc...what if the perp was a guest of a local? What if he is coming again this week?