CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #20

[vasportsmom]

A court order means nothing if she felt her child was in danger. And has anyone seen that court order? I know she could have been held in contempt, but it would have been way down the road and she would have the opportunity to have it changed. jmo

You can't be serious!?! A court order isn't a suggestion that one can take or leave depending on which way the wind is blowing. Elaine could have faced fines, jail time or loss of custody if she refused to comply. She had only been awarded sole custody 2 months before. A judge would not have looked very favorably upon her flaunting his orders on the occasion of the very first visit.

It is downright cruel to suggest that she bears any blame simply because she didn't foresee Dylan's father "losing" him.

 

[mijamawi]

How does one hold a teenage boy hostage, though, unless they literally tie him up? And what person who loved him would hold him by force from his mom?

I don't believe he's being held hostage.

 

[Eileen730]

I'm still just absolutely flaberghasted by all the accusations that MR is a drunk.

As far as the attorney, it has been linked that MR was not home often due to work. He may have had this appointment set for weeks. Remember, Dylan was supposed to come in Saturday. If MR thought Dylan would be at his friends, why not take care of his business in the morning. Even if Dylan didn't have plans with his friends, it's highly likely he could have taken care of his errands before Dylan even woke up.

I have to admit I believe MR has alcohol issues!
I think he possibly has anger issues also.

JMO

 

[DylansMom34]

I think Dylan's size (whether he is small or average) is a matter of personal opinion. My son Dylan is just about exactly one year younger than Dylan R. My son is pretty small (always has been, he was born nearly 4 months premature). He'll be 12 in a couple week. He is 4 1/2 feet tall about about 65 pounds. So Dylan R. being 5 feet tall and 100 pounds seems quite a bit larger than my own son.

Oh wait, maybe my son is 2 years younger than Dylan R. I keep reading people saying he's 12 and really, Dylan R. is 13....

 

[aust amateur slueth]

has anyone else noticed a change in how media has been reporting on this case?

previously I've seen it written and said that Dylan disappeared from his dads house, this one is different

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...-in-case-of-missing-13-year-old-dylan-redwine

 

[mijamawi]

You can't be serious!?! A court order isn't a suggestion that one can take or leave depending on which way the wind is blowing. Elaine could have faced fines, jail time or loss of custody if she refused to comply. She had only been awarded sole custody 2 months before. A judge would not have looked very favorably upon her flaunting his orders on the occasion of the very first visit.

It is downright cruel to suggest that she bears any blame simply because she didn't foresee Dylan's father "losing" him.

It is not cruel. Hypothetically, if you had an inkling that your ex could harm your child, would you send him because of a court order? Seriously, think about it. I know we don't know what we'd do in the situation because we aren't in the situation. However, if you had even the slightest thought your ex would harm your child, would you put them on a plane to visit the NCP?

 

[OneLove]

If a parent defies a court ordered visitation they can LOSE CUSTODY of their child for doing so.

It always baffles me how people do not realize this very basic fundamental truth.

If we say that a mere "suspicion" that the other parent "might" harm a child merits running away with that child, stripping him/her of all their family, friends, home, school, and security, then EITHER parent could say it, in ANY divorce. In fact, it HAS been done falsely and to the detriment of many children.

I can SAY that my next door neighbor MIGHT harm his dog, fgs. That does not give me OR his ex wife the right to steal his dog and carry him into hiding. That would make ME the criminal. I don't believe ER is criminally minded, nor do I believe she is personality disordered in the way that leads many parents to secrete their children in a "hiding" lifestyle.

And since many judges do remove custody of children from "runners" and manipulators, exactly how does THAT benefit a child long term? For example, had ER run with Dylan, destroyed his life as he knew it, eventually got caught, and Dylan was then given to the primary custody of MR, does ANYONE think that is a better scenario for Dylan?

I believe ER was making the best life she could for her children. Moving away from _______ may well have been a part of improving life for all of them. How could she possibly have anticipated THIS!

 

[asyousay]

has anyone else noticed a change in how media has been reporting on this case?

previously I've seen it written and said that Dylan disappeared from his dads house, this one is different

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...-in-case-of-missing-13-year-old-dylan-redwine

I don't get it , what's different ?

 

[mijamawi]

I have to admit I believe MR has alcohol issues!
I think he possibly has anger issues also.

JMO

Not being snarky, but can I ask why you think that? Because of one instance after a 4th of July party?

 

[vasportsmom]

I think Dylan's size (whether he is small or average) is a matter of personal opinion. My son Dylan is just about exactly one year younger than Dylan R. My son is pretty small (always has been, he was born nearly 4 months premature). He'll be 12 in a couple week. He is 4 1/2 feet tall about about 65 pounds. So Dylan R. being 5 feet tall and 100 pounds seems quite a bit larger than my own son.

And my 12yo is a bit over 5" and weighs 150.

 

[FruitTingles]

I really really wish that this entire court ordered issue was better understood because its offensive, even tho, I absolutely realize that the intent is not to be offensive, it is.. just the utter over simplification of the matter is IMO NOT AT ALL THE REALITY OF HOW IT IS IN THE REAL WORLD VS. A DISCUSSION ON A MESSAGE BOARD..

There is zero choice in the matter and let me just very simply and to the point explain EXACTLY WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE RAMIFICATIONS FOR ELAINE REDWINE REFUSING TO PUT DYLAN ON THAT FLIGHT FOR HIS FATHER'S COURT ORDERED VISITATION..

Its very simple..Dylan Redwine would have been escorted by local LE to the airport and put on the flight to his father.. this would have happened immediately upon MR notifying them and his Atty faxing over a copy of the court order to Colorado City LE..after Dylan Redwine WAS FORCED AND ESCORTED AGAINST HIS MOTHERS WISHES ON THAT FLIGHT YO HIS FATHER... there next would have been within days a court hearing called which Elaine would be officially charged with contempt of court, ordered to pay fines and threatened with not only jail time, but if she dared defying another court ordered visitation she'd promptly find her brought back before the court in an emergency injunction which the judge can and would remove her as primary parent..

that s the reality of court ordered visitation AND ELAINE REDWINE DIDNT HAVE A DAMN CHOICE IN THE MATTER..

SO HOW EXACTLY WOULD THE ABOVE IN ANY WAY WHATSOEVER HAVE BENIFITTED DYLAN WHEN HE WOULD BE FORCED ON THE VISITATION WITH SEVERE CONSEQUENCES FOR MOM ATTEMPTING TO NOT SEND HIM?

THE TRUTH IS MUCH MUCH MORE DIFFICULT THAN WHAT ITS ASSUMED TO BE...WAY MORE DIFFICULT!

Not to be snarky but is it necessary to use capitals? Feels as though you think some of us are "stupid"... JMO.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

It is not cruel. Hypothetically, if you had an inkling that your ex could harm your child, would you send him because of a court order? Seriously, think about it. I know we don't know what we'd do in the situation because we aren't in the situation. However, if you had even the slightest thought your ex would harm your child, would you put them on a plane to visit the NCP?

Seriously a parent who is court ordered to send their child has two choices

1. send their child as the court has ordered them to
2. go against court orders, lose custody and the child will probably end up with the parent you were trying to protect them from


realistically the parent has no choice but to comply with the court order.

 

[mmmagique]

Sounds like you need a cool lady superhero name, an hour long CBS show airing after Criminal Minds and probably a legal disclaimer stating your actions and opinons are solely yours and yours alone and do not reflect everyone here at WS (but they do reflect some of us!) :floorlaugh:

And a quirky but adorable sidekick, don't forget the sidekick!!!

 

[OneLove]

It is not cruel. Hypothetically, if you had an inkling that your ex could harm your child, would you send him because of a court order? Seriously, think about it. I know we don't know what we'd do in the situation because we aren't in the situation. However, if you had even the slightest thought your ex would harm your child, would you put them on a plane to visit the NCP?

Seriously. "An inkling" is all it takes to justify destroying lives?

If that were the acceptable standard, I feel sure MR might have just decided to "have an inkling" himself. So if they were BOTH disappeared right now due to said "inkling", we would be hailing MR as a hero and savior of Dylan's?

I really, truly don't get this.

 

[FruitTingles]

Seriously a parent who is court ordered to send their child has two choices

1. send their child as the court has ordered them to
2. go against court orders, lose custody and the child will probably end up with the parent you were trying to protect them from


realistically the parent has no choice but to comply with the court order.

It has been said that ER had no reason to believe DR was in any danger with his father. Before ER moved DR to another county; they shared 50/50 custody equally and obviously that was to continue after the move.
JMO.

:twocents:

 

[aust amateur slueth]

I don't get it , what's different ?

the other articles have said that Dylan disappeared from his dads home as if that was factual, this one says

The boy's father, Mark Redwine, said he left his son at his home while he ran errands. Mark said when he returned, Dylan was gone.

 

[mck16]

It always baffles me how people do not realize this very basic fundamental truth.

If we say that a mere "suspicion" that the other parent "might" harm a child merits running away with that child, stripping him/her of all their family, friends, home, school, and security, then EITHER parent could say it, in ANY divorce. In fact, it HAS been done falsely and to the detriment of many children.

I can SAY that my next door neighbor MIGHT harm his dog, fgs. That does not give me OR his ex wife the right to steal his dog and carry him into hiding. That would make ME the criminal. I don't believe ER is criminally minded, nor do I believe she is personality disordered in the way that leads many parents to secrete their children in a "hiding" lifestyle.

And since many judges do remove custody of children from "runners" and manipulators, exactly how does THAT benefit a child long term? For example, had ER run with Dylan, destroyed his life as he knew it, eventually got caught, and Dylan was then given to the primary custody of MR, does ANYONE think that is a better scenario for Dylan?

I believe ER was making the best life she could for her children. Moving away from _______ may well have been a part of improving life for all of them. How could she possibly have anticipated THIS!

I think he might not be missing now! jma

 

[mijamawi]

Seriously a parent who is court ordered to send their child has two choices

1. send their child as the court has ordered them to
2. go against court orders, lose custody and the child will probably end up with the parent you were trying to protect them from


realistically the parent has no choice but to comply with the court order.

That depends on where they live. My ex sil didn't comply numerous times with a court order. She still has custody, AND she lives in another state with my nieces.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

It has been said that ER had no reason to believe DR was in any danger with his father. Before ER moved DR to another county; they shared 50/50 custody equally and obviously that was to continue after the move.
JMO.

:twocents:

I'm sorry I must have missed something, I was replying to someone elses comments suggesting that a parent could choose to ignore a court order.

 

[margarita25]

I had asked about the use of metal detectors as standard equipment during grid walks / searches...does anyone please have any comments on this, as related to specific cases, thank you. I'll do some googling...

<edit: I found this case / cellphones were missing: "FBI Using Metal Detectors At Missing Baby's Home"> http://www.kake.com/home/headlines/Police_Parents_Of_Missing_Baby_Not_Cooperating_131298424.html