CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #21

[TxJan1971]

Ryan Nava: (time 6:43 p.m. Nov. 18) Im in pagosa coming

Dylan Redwine: Cant come srry ill hang tommarow

Ryan: Ok

Ryan: (time 7:09 p.m. Nov. 18) Why

Dylan: idk

Ryan: (time 7:45 p.m. Nov. 18) Did your dad say no

Dylan: (time 8:01 p.m. Nov. 18) yea

Ryan: Oh ok

Dylan: can I come over early lkke 6 30 early tomarrow

Ryan: Yeah

Dylan: you better let me in

Ryan: I will

Ryan: im gonna be at my gmas

Dylan: i call (you) all day if you dont

Ryan: Ok

Dylan: will you gma care or be up

Ryan: Just come around to were the sliding door is were that room is and knock on it and i will wake up

Ryan: (Time 9:27 p.m. Nov. 18) Call me when you get here too

Ryan: (Tme: 6:46 a.m. Nov. 19) Where are you

Ryan: (Time: 10 a.m. Nov. 19) Come to nandos.

Ryan: (time: 4:12 p.m. Nov. 19) Dude your dads looking for ou

Ryan: you

Ryan: (Time: 7:59 p.m. Nov. 19) Are you alright dude?

Ryan: Dude you need to call somebody anybody asap we all worried about you your mom called and shes worried bro

Ryan: Seriously when you get the message call someone

http://www.durangoherald.com/article...s01&source=RSS

 

[mijamawi]

Didn't AZG say she hasn't talked to MR in something like 12 years? How would she know who his friends are and what he does with family and whatnot?

 

[TechWriter797]

I'm curious to know if the victim was male or female and the age.

child
http://www.coloradoicac.com/arrests/2009.html

 

[asyousay]

Thank you for posting this

Ryan Nava: (time 6:43 p.m. Nov. 18) Im in pagosa coming

Dylan Redwine: Cant come srry ill hang tommarow

Ryan: Ok

Ryan: (time 7:09 p.m. Nov. 18) Why

Dylan: idk

Ryan: (time 7:45 p.m. Nov. 18) Did your dad say no

Dylan: (time 8:01 p.m. Nov. 18) yea

Ryan: Oh ok

Dylan: can I come over early lkke 6 30 early tomarrow

Ryan: Yeah

Dylan: you better let me in

Ryan: I will

Ryan: im gonna be at my gmas

Dylan: i call (you) all day if you dont

Ryan: Ok

Dylan: will you gma care or be up

Ryan: Just come around to were the sliding door is were that room is and knock on it and i will wake up

Ryan: (Time 9:27 p.m. Nov. 18) Call me when you get here too

Ryan: (Tme: 6:46 a.m. Nov. 19) Where are you

Ryan: (Time: 10 a.m. Nov. 19) Come to nandos.

Ryan: (time: 4:12 p.m. Nov. 19) Dude your dads looking for ou

Ryan: you

Ryan: (Time: 7:59 p.m. Nov. 19) Are you alright dude?

Ryan: Dude you need to call somebody anybody asap we all worried about you your mom called and shes worried bro

Ryan: Seriously when you get the message call someone

http://www.durangoherald.com/article...s01&source=RSS

There is almost desperation here for me .

I just do not believe he would of stayed in bed .

I am wondering if a argument had already happened between Dylan and MR just before Dylan asks to come over at stupid o'clock .

Why the the need for it to be at 6-30am ?


IMHO

 

[DylansMom34]

Didn't AZG say she hasn't talked to MR in something like 12 years? How would she know who his friends are and what he does with family and whatnot?

She shares children with him... maybe she knows through her sons? (maybe not but what does it hurt to ask??)

 

[mijamawi]

Thank you for posting this






There is almost desperation here for me .

I just do not believe he would of stayed in bed .

I am wondering if a argument had already happened between Dylan and MR just before Dylan asks to come over at stupid o'clock .

Why the the need for it to be at 6-30am ?


IMHO

My guess is MR told him he'd have to drop him off very early if he wanted to go before MR's errands. Makes sense to me. JMO

 

[mijamawi]

She shares children with him... maybe she knows through her sons? (maybe not but what does it hurt to ask??)

I thought they were estranged? Isn't that one of the reasons MR is such a horrible father/person?

 

[DylansMom34]

She's here as an insider, seems she could answer or if she doesn't know the answer, she could say that too?

 

[asyousay]

My guess is MR told him he'd have to drop him off very early if he wanted to go before MR's errands. Makes sense to me. JMO

Thank You


Also Dylan shows concern for his nan in that text so he does not come across as thoughtless.

Yet the next day he is as he sleeps in and never cancels , then leaves home without contacting anybody ever again. It does not tie in with the considerate kid the night before who was worried about waking up his nan!

MOO

 

[vasportsmom]

Didn't AZG say she hasn't talked to MR in something like 12 years? How would she know who his friends are and what he does with family and whatnot?

The question was posed as "did" not "does". We are just trying to get a feel for him. History is often a great indicator of future actions.

 

[kkdj]

Only a choice of 1 of 2 scenarios make sense to me.
1. Dad premeditated disappearing dylan
2. A violent uncontrolled outburst occurred between dad and Dylan resulting in the disappearance of Dylan.
I can logically fill in the stories either way.
A stranger abduction seems far fetched under the circumstances.
Jmo

 

[mijamawi]

Thank You


Also Dylan shows concern for his nan in that text so he does not come across as thoughtless.

Yet the next day he is as he sleeps in and never cancels , then leaves home without contacting anybody ever again. It does not tie in with the considerate kid the night before who was worried about waking up his nan!

MOO

Yes, perhaps. If we were to go by just texts though, his friend texted him at 6:45ish wondering where he was, but then didn't text again until 10ish. That would indicate he (RN) wasn't too terribly concerned at that time.

 

[MrsPC]

Only a choice of 1 of 2 scenarios make sense to me.
1. Dad premeditated disappearing dylan
2. A violent uncontrolled outburst occurred between dad and Dylan resulting in the disappearance of Dylan.
I can logically fill in the stories either way.
A stranger abduction seems far fetched under the circumstances.
Jmo

I at first thought that MR probably planned this...but thought more about the fact that Dylan was originally supposed to fly in the day before, and if he had, MR would not have been running those same errands on a Sunday morning (that he did on Monday morning...if that was done to establish some sort of alibi, etc)

So, now I'm leaning toward it not being premeditated...that it just occurred during the drive, when it became clear Dylan wanted to be with his friends instead of his dad.

 

[mijamawi]

The question was posed as "did" not "does". We are just trying to get a feel for him. History is often a great indicator of future actions.

Ok. I just wanted to throw in the addition that she doesn't really know him anymore, so take with a grain of salt rather than fact as some tend to do.

 

[scorekeeper]

for azgrandma,

did Mark have friends, socialize on the weekends, close buddies? Close to his family - attend holiday gatherings, etc.

Trying to get a feel for his personality.

So appreciate all the information you have shared. Thank you!

Didn't AZG say she hasn't talked to MR in something like 12 years? How would she know who his friends are and what he does with family and whatnot?

Hi, I said "did" not "does"; was wondering about his social habits when they were together.

Sorry, you misunderstood my question.

 

[mijamawi]

Hi, I said "did" not "does"; was wondering about his social habits when they were together.

Sorry, you misunderstood my question.

Thanks for clarifying. I did not misunderstand the question though. I was just adding that part for those who don't read everything in the threads and just take bits and pieces as fact from an "insider."

 

[scorekeeper]

child
http://www.coloradoicac.com/arrests/2009.html

Thanks.

Well, he definitely has internet access....

 

[Confusion]

I thought they were estranged? Isn't that one of the reasons MR is such a horrible father/person?

If you went back and picked one person who was active in my life every 5-10 years and asked them what I am like, I think you'd probably get a completely different description from each of them. Even my son who lives a few blocks from me and the one who lives in a different state would give a different description - even though I talk to both of them on a regular basis.

 

[vasportsmom]

as soon as MR spoke about Dylan wanting to see his friends Sunday night, and he said no, then he said Dylan was going to spend 2 to 3 days with his friends, then dad said it was important to him also that Dylan saw his friends.
This is where I think the problems arose.
Dad spent money in court to see Dylan.
Dad spent money on flight to see Dylan.
Dylan right away doesn't want to go to dads but rather his friends.
When Dylan is denied he wants to go to his friends the moment he can in the morning.
Dad is ticked, feeling rejected, having gone to all he has and spending all that money and his son let's him know he doesn't want to be with him.
One good hit or maybe Dylan fought. Regardless, this makes sense to me as a scenario.
Just a thought.

If my time with my boys were limited I really can't imagine being concerned about their time with their friends. I might invite their friends along for a couple group activities but I really don't think I would be cool with the whole 'spend 2-3 days of my limited and hard fought time with your buddies'. I'd honestly feel that if time with friends was so important than ER should be responsible for making that happen on her own time & dime.

As someone above said, this feels like a protests too much situation when MR talks about it. He doesn't strike me as an accommodating, laid back sort of guy. I can see the request to go to friends and the texting with his friends really setting him off and being the start of something very ugly.

 

[TxJan1971]

Yes, perhaps. If we were to go by just texts though, his friend texted him at 6:45ish wondering where he was, but then didn't text again until 10ish. That would indicate he (RN) wasn't too terribly concerned at that time.

Or... maybe RN merely fell back asleep thus no call until 10'ish. Remember others have already posted that Dylan probably fell back asleep when he "didn't want to get up" because that's what kids that age do - they don't like to get up early....

If this was felt to be normal behavior for Dylan then I would reckon it would be normal behavior for RN as well.