CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #21

[Psychic Sleuth]

The local described Florida Rd as not being 'convenient'. So whatever that means. I don't know not being from the area.

 

[PaulR]

The local described Florida Rd as not being 'convenient'. So whatever that means. I don't know not being from the area.

That's one local. Not sure where they live though.

And different people have different routes they consider "convenient." I always take the Interstate to work. I have a friend who lives just up the street from me, works in the same building, and takes back roads.

 

[Abby Normal Again]

Thanks , i was just wondering if they left it to long then he could of plausibly washed his cloths. Kind of like i always wonder if they got prints off the bowl left out and tv remote or if the week delay meant anything tangible was lost .

I would imagine that if MR did anything shady on Sunday night, that he would have had time to wash them. I think they could still lift blood evidence from them, though. And I think they could still test them with cadaver dogs. I think they would also be able to tell if they were washed right away, which I think would send up their hinky meter.

Honestly, I have as much of a problem with the sunday night phone off as all of you. But it is my impression that they aren't finding forensic evidence of MR committing foul play, and that speaks volumes to me. It's not that I'm pro-MR, just without knowing more of what LE knows, I don't know how any of us can really think we know anything.

 

[LotusPawprint]

I would imagine that if MR did anything shady on Sunday night, that he would have had time to wash them. I think they could still lift blood evidence from them, though. And I think they could still test them with cadaver dogs. I think they would also be able to tell if they were washed right away, which I think would send up their hinky meter.

Honestly, I have as much of a problem with the sunday night phone off as all of you. But it is my impression that they aren't finding forensic evidence of MR committing foul play, and that speaks volumes to me. It's not that I'm pro-MR, just without knowing more of what LE knows, I don't know how any of us can really think we know anything.

His clothes from Sunday night could've been disposed of.

There's basically no forensic evidence or trace of Dylan anywhere, either... as if he just fell of the face of the earth around 8pm, wherever he was at that time... if LE even knows where that is. Just because there isn't forensic evidence of a crime and we can't find Dylan, doesn't mean there wasn't a crime. It just means we don't know where "it" happened (whatever "it" is). MR's potential involvement can't be discounted, for me.

For me, it's the lack of many things that's so suspicious and brings me back to MR repeatedly, though I'm willing and waiting for another plausible alternative.
13-year old boys don't vanish without a trace, they would leave a trail behind... unless they were never on that road to begin with... IMO.

 

[princessk]

I sure wish I could see a really good map of the area...from airport, to mcd's, walmart florida road and MR residence. have I missed this somewhere, or could beg someone to make one? Also search area (please?)

 

[Abby Normal Again]

His clothes from Sunday night could've been disposed of.

There's basically no forensic evidence or trace of Dylan anywhere, either... as if he just fell of the face of the earth around 8pm, wherever he was at that time... if LE even knows where that is. Just because there isn't forensic evidence of a crime and we can't find Dylan, doesn't mean there wasn't a crime. It just means we don't know where "it" happened (whatever "it" is). MR's potential involvement can't be discounted, for me.

For me, it's the lack of many things that's so suspicious and brings me back to MR repeatedly, though I'm willing and waiting for another plausible alternative.
13-year old boys don't vanish without a trace, they would leave a trail behind... unless they were never on that road to begin with... IMO.

Right, and I've not discounted him as potentially involved. I agree about his clothes, I said that was a possibility from the start.

That's actually my point exactly. His potential involvement can't be discounted. It also can't be confirmed. Without more information, we can't know. Which is why I've not settled on what happened as fact.

I get that we are all working with different comfort levels of "calling it" based on what we know. I'm pretty unlikely to call anything without some science- it's just my way.

 

[dlc]

I would imagine that if MR did anything shady on Sunday night, that he would have had time to wash them. I think they could still lift blood evidence from them, though. And I think they could still test them with cadaver dogs. I think they would also be able to tell if they were washed right away, which I think would send up their hinky meter.

Honestly, I have as much of a problem with the sunday night phone off as all of you. But it is my impression that they aren't finding forensic evidence of MR committing foul play, and that speaks volumes to me. It's not that I'm pro-MR, just without knowing more of what LE knows, I don't know how any of us can really think we know anything.

IMO, _if_ anything happened, the clothes would've been thrown out/discarded in a place not connected to the home/burned (but not in the backyard fire pit, if there is one), not washed.

 

[Abby Normal Again]

More than likely they asked for the clothes he was wearing last night before confirming what he wore on the walmart video. More than likely, it was to see if he'd provide something different without realizing they would be getting video footage of what he was wearing. LE is crafty like that.

He either provided the real clothes, provided something different-maybe similar, provided replicas if he is the type to buy multiples in the same style, or provided an excuse as to why he couldn't provide the clothes. Which would look really bad.

Either way- whatever he provided it would tell them SOMETHING and give them some minor details or feelings. All those minor details are completely lost to us. LE may not have anything solid- but they have to have more than we do, even if nothing concrete. JMO.

 

[Abby Normal Again]

IMO, _if_ anything happened, the clothes would've been thrown out/discarded in a place not connected to the home/burned (but not in the backyard fire pit, if there is one), not washed.

If MR touched a deceased person in those clothes, it probably would have gotten cadaver scent onto his car- even if he successfully got rid of those clothes. There is always a forensic trail, even if it's not direct or substantial enough to prove a case.

So, yes, if he is guilty I'd expect SOMETHING scientifically damning to be in those files- even if it's not enough to build a case.

eta- Ayla's house- blood, Lisa Irwin- cadaver hit.... none substantial enough to build a case, but there none-the-less.

 

[LotusPawprint]

Right, and I've not discounted him as potentially involved. I agree about his clothes, I said that was a possibility from the start.

That's actually my point exactly. His potential involvement can't be discounted. It also can't be confirmed. Without more information, we can't know. Which is why I've not settled on what happened as fact.

I get that we are all working with different comfort levels of "calling it" based on what we know. I'm pretty unlikely to call anything without some science- it's just my way.

bbm -Yep, I hear ya. That's how many DA's feel too, before they'll even consider bringing charges. Or a bulletproof circumstantial case.

They know a guilty party when (s)he is in their sight, but of course there's a difference between knowing and proving.

And defense attorneys and juries like Pinellas County even out the 'justice' system, so too often victims and society lose and the criminal gets away, often uncharged. I strongly believe in this case, LE has their eyes set on their man and they're trying to build a case... it will either come in time or it will never be solved.

 

[asyousay]

I would imagine that if MR did anything shady on Sunday night, that he would have had time to wash them. I think they could still lift blood evidence from them, though. And I think they could still test them with cadaver dogs. I think they would also be able to tell if they were washed right away, which I think would send up their hinky meter.

Honestly, I have as much of a problem with the sunday night phone off as all of you. But it is my impression that they aren't finding forensic evidence of MR committing foul play, and that speaks volumes to me. It's not that I'm pro-MR, just without knowing more of what LE knows, I don't know how any of us can really think we know anything.

I just think some people who now commit crimes are just a lot more aware of the goings on with DNA and so on than they used to be .

I will sometimes watch shows like Criminal Minds and in one episode before the person killed a person they made sure they was clear of the car so the car was clean for example. So people that are that way inclined i am sure must pick up tips ( for a lack of a better word) off shows like this. Another one pouring petrol over yourself to get rid of DNA traces. Shows like this are interesting but also help give ideas out to those inclined .


MOO

 

[dlc]

If MR touched a deceased person in those clothes, it probably would have gotten cadaver scent onto his car- even if he successfully got rid of those clothes. There is always a forensic trail, even if it's not direct or substantial enough to prove a case.

So, yes, if he is guilty I'd expect SOMETHING scientifically damning to be in those files- even if it's not enough to build a case.

eta- Ayla's house- blood, Lisa Irwin- cadaver hit.... none substantial enough to build a case, but there none-the-less.

Dear Abby Normal Again,

Good point. Working on another scenario. I don't read thousands of mysteries for nothing ;-).

dlc

 

[absentia]

I agree that this is the route they took. I just thought it was interesting that some locals said it would not be the usual route locals would take.

what other route would take you from Durango to Vallecito? I couldn't see another road on google maps.

 

[absentia]

PaulR,

Read Cheryl Lynn (long post). It's a conversation between her and Kathy. I am leary to post about FB because I don't really understand the rules about posting here for that. I know I can't copy/paste. I hope I'm not breaking any rules. It's there though.

what's the date on the comment? lots of them to look through.

 

[Dee10]

If MR touched a deceased person in those clothes, it probably would have gotten cadaver scent onto his car- even if he successfully got rid of those clothes. There is always a forensic trail, even if it's not direct or substantial enough to prove a case.

So, yes, if he is guilty I'd expect SOMETHING scientifically damning to be in those files- even if it's not enough to build a case.

eta- Ayla's house- blood, Lisa Irwin- cadaver hit.... none substantial enough to build a case, but there none-the-less.

From reading on other cases like the McCann case and Baby Lisa's, it takes time for a deceased body to produce enough decomposition chemical that a dog can detect as well as additional time ex. holding a decease person for transfer to be detectable. In the link below there was a test done on two bodies that we dead for two hours, then placed on carpet tiles it took 2 to 10 minutes for transfer to happen. So IF something happened and it happened quickly, I don't know if there would be transfer in the truck or on MR.

http://doglawreporter.blogspot.ca/2009/06/dogs-detect-scent-of-cadavers-up-to-two.html

 

[StJohn]

The discussion today about the searches on Florida Rd just reinforces one glaring fact for me - if LE truly believed Dylan may have been abducted, why focus over 200 searchers in the direction opposite where he would have been walking/hitchhiking? And why not be calling PC's & doing everything humanly possible to get Dylan's face blanketing the countryside from coast-to-coast?

IMO, LE's actions speak much louder than their words.

 

[katydid23]

Brought over from the previous thread:
Posted by OceanBlueEyes:

I can only go by what I read and yes most did think that Jessica Ridgeway or maybe an imaginary boyfriend could be involved in Jessica's disappearance before they found the real suspect. It seemed she didnt cry right according to some or was thought to be faking it. According to some it was suspicious that she didnt come out to the media for 5 days. And most definitely the majority thought Marlene and her boyfriend, Rick, were involved in Sierra's disappearance. Again Marlene smiled in some of her interviews. She was unmercifully critizized because she didnt meet the standards of how some think a person MUST grieve and covering up for her boyfriend.

IMO
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I followed the Sierra Lamar case very closely. I was on that forum from the first day and followed it as closely as I have Dylan's. And imo, very few people here considered Sierra's mom a suspect. True, at the start, people were very suspicious of Sierra's father. And we sleuthed his arrest records and his molestation charges.

Ans she was ciriticized a bit for her odd demeanor. But LE firmly and absolutely CLEARED HER of any involvement. They were clear in their public statements that nobody in Sierra's family environment were involved. And I did see a lot sleuthing going on, but it was mainly concerning the owners of the property Sierra lived on and the ongoing businesses housed there.

MOst of the theories involving Sierra that were set forth involved school friends who may have offered her a ride, or friends who may have taken her on a day trip away from school OR potential online activity OR random abductors. We also were very suspicious of the farm workers who were alongside her bus stop every day. In the end it was an opportunistic, random abductor who killed her.

 

[imamaze]

If MR touched a deceased person in those clothes, it probably would have gotten cadaver scent onto his car- even if he successfully got rid of those clothes. There is always a forensic trail, even if it's not direct or substantial enough to prove a case.

So, yes, if he is guilty I'd expect SOMETHING scientifically damning to be in those files- even if it's not enough to build a case.

eta- Ayla's house- blood, Lisa Irwin- cadaver hit.... none substantial enough to build a case, but there none-the-less.

Do you mean tied to forensics? What could be that damning but not enough to build a case?

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

what's the date on the comment? lots of them to look through.

As of right now the post was 13 hours ago.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

The discussion today about the searches on Florida Rd just reinforces one glaring fact for me - if LE truly believed Dylan may have been abducted, why focus over 200 searchers in the direction opposite where he would have been walking/hitchhiking? And why not be calling PC's & doing everything humanly possible to get Dylan's face blanketing the countryside from coast-to-coast?

IMO, LE's actions speak much louder than their words.

Very very good point!! I always say pay very close attention to what LE does and doesn't do. They can't tell us everything but often times we can figure it out based on their actions.