CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #21

[mmmagique]

these are the two similar cases that disturb me. it's quite obvious what happened, but no charges or arrests have ever been brought. makes me worry that this will happen here too. of course, it's not over til it's over.

It seems that sometimes it's never over.

 

[mmmagique]

Then why haven't they named MR at least a POI?

Because people shut down, shut up and lawyer up.

Also, ever since the Richard Jewell fiasco, LE has been much more hesitant to name someone a POI, even when LE's words or actions make it pretty obvious that someone is.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Of course he would have. Just stumble upon something, grab it and say "I think this was Dylan's!"

There's no way that LE would let MR near any possible evidence.

I participated in a search for Sierra Lamar. There would have been all sorts of opportunities to pick up a piece of evidence that was known to a Perp and hide it/stash it, etc....even if there was a LE person with each group. I dont' consider this out of the realm of possibility at all. It would be interesting to know if this POI trying to "direct" the search in anyway. Such as, "hey let's look over THERE...." instead of where they were searching. These sick pieces of ____ love to relive these crimes, get close to them.

 

[scorekeeper]

We are on Thread 21 and NO NEW information. This is frustrating but got to put faith in LE.

Looking back over some old articles....found this interesting....from 12/7/12

Typically, police use surveillance video to determine the interaction between the missing child and anyone else that comes in contact with them. In this case, investigators would look to determine how Dylan interacted with his father and see if anyone else approaches the boy. They might also contact customers who were in the store at the time to determine if they saw or overheard anything suspicious.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...ast-seen-night-before-he-was-reported-missing

BBM

especially "how Dylan interacted with his father"

So it seems they have reviewed more than just Dylan and Mark entering/exiting store. I bet they have reviewed in-store and cash register video also.

Gosh, I would love to also see more video!

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

I participated in a search for Sierra Lamar. There would have been all sorts of opportunities to pick up a piece of evidence that was known to a Perp and hide it/stash it, etc....even if there was a LE person with each group. I dont' consider this out of the realm of possibility at all. It would be interesting to know if this POI trying to "direct" the search in anyway. Such as, "hey let's look over THERE...." instead of where they were searching. These sick pieces of ____ love to relive these crimes, get close to them.

Wow. I didn't picture it at all this way!

 

[mmmagique]

Wow. I didn't picture it at all this way!

RosesfromAngels was not the last person to see Sierra alive; I guarantee you if she were, (and she was any sort of suspect at all) it would have been very difficult if not impossible to plant anything.

ETA: I love the name rosesfrom angels

And that the previous was all jmo.

 

[azgrandma]

And if he is a POI, why did they let him search for evidence with the risk of him contaminating it?

Because there are those POI's that will do a couple of things, steer another person towards the evidence so that it's found or actually "find" the evidence themselves. Scott Peterson maintains that Lacy ran off with another guy, this is after he's been convicted of murder, after her body has never been found and no trace of her existing on earth.

The twisted thinking is that 1) Hey I wasn't even near it or 2) why would I point the evidence out if I was guilty.

I'm not saying MR did either, I'm speaking in general terms.

Many criminals think that they can outsmart the cops. However, they show so much of the typical behavior. The fire starter that watches the fire department put the fire out. The killer that attends the funeral just to get a thrill from the pain caused. The child predator/sex offender that grooms children.

Trouble is that the prison system is filled with intelligent idiots and every single one of them is a victim of circumstance and innocent as all get out.

 

[Eileen730]

Because there are those POI's that will do a couple of things, steer another person towards the evidence so that it's found or actually "find" the evidence themselves. Scott Peterson maintains that Lacy ran off with another guy, this is after he's been convicted of murder, after her body has never been found and no trace of her existing on earth.

The twisted thinking is that 1) Hey I wasn't even near it or 2) why would I point the evidence out if I was guilty.

I'm not saying MR did either, I'm speaking in general terms.

Many criminals think that they can outsmart the cops. However, they show so much of the typical behavior. The fire starter that watches the fire department put the fire out. The killer that attends the funeral just to get a thrill from the pain caused. The child predator/sex offender that grooms children.

Trouble is that the prison system is filled with intelligent idiots and every single one of them is a victim of circumstance and innocent as all get out.

I do not see them as smart or Intelligent I see them as Lucky!
As long as they remain silent they dont get caught. Lead LE in the opposite direction or give them a Bogus story from the get go. Its all Luck Will someone find the body today or years from now or never.

JMO

 

[SCHMAE]

The discussion today about the searches on Florida Rd just reinforces one glaring fact for me - if LE truly believed Dylan may have been abducted, why focus over 200 searchers in the direction opposite where he would have been walking/hitchhiking? And why not be calling PC's & doing everything humanly possible to get Dylan's face blanketing the countryside from coast-to-coast?

IMO, LE's actions speak much louder than their words.

Good point. Have all searches been between ' town' and MR's house? No searches have been between MR's house and the town his friend lives in?
I think I remember during the last search that was the case and you're
absolutely right. It defies logic if they think he left home and got picked up.
Now if they think an abductor picked him up at his HOME then that's a different story, right ?

 

[scorekeeper]

Article from 12/8/12


In fact, the investigation and search have blossomed, Phippen said.


“When law enforcement can only go so far, we depend on the public,” media and other organizations and individuals to help, he said.

http://durangoherald.com/article/20121208/NEWS01/121209618/0/SEARCH/Volunteers-search-for-Dylan

BBM

Is he saying they need public help or not?

 

[StJohn]

Good point. Have all searches been between ' town' and MR's house? No searches have been between MR's house and the town his friend lives in?
I think I remember during the last search that was the case and you're
absolutely right. It defies logic if they think he left home and got picked up.
Now if they think an abductor picked him up at his HOME then that's a different story, right ?

Right. But if that's what they think, then why just the focus on the route between Durango & Vallecito? With 250 searchers willing to work all day, wouldn't you send them to an area where you would feel most likely to find clues to solve the case? What caused LE to focus on that route?

BTW - I am not aware of any LE organized/authorized searches on the road from MR's house to Dylan's friends in Bayview. If anyone knows of any, please correct me

 

[katydid23]

Right. But if that's what they think, then why just the focus on the route between Durango & Vallecito? With 250 searchers willing to work all day, wouldn't you send them to an area where you would feel most likely to find clues to solve the case? What caused LE to focus on that route?

BTW - I am not aware of any LE organized/authorized searches on the road from MR's house to Dylan's friends in Bayview. If anyone knows of any, please correct me

I think that is kind of revealing, that they have not focused on the area between Vallecito and his friends houses. IF he was abducted while hitching a ride, then he would possibly be disposed of in that area. Random, transient abductors will often dispose of their victims quickly and without taking a lot of trouble to conceal them.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Right. But if that's what they think, then why just the focus on the route between Durango & Vallecito? With 250 searchers willing to work all day, wouldn't you send them to an area where you would feel most likely to find clues to solve the case? What caused LE to focus on that route?

BTW - I am not aware of any LE organized/authorized searches on the road from MR's house to Dylan's friends in Bayview. If anyone knows of any, please correct me

I could guess! Cell phone pings and/or this is the route MR says he took home. Which puts the focus right back on MR.

 

[katydid23]

RosesfromAngels was not the last person to see Sierra alive; I guarantee you if she were, (and she was any sort of suspect at all) it would have been very difficult if not impossible to plant anything.

ETA: I love the name rosesfrom angels

And that the previous was all jmo.

I completely agree. They would never let anyone that was even slightly under suspicion, to search without them being closely monitored. They might even pre-search the grid that the person was assigned to.

 

[SCHMAE]

I heard back from my friend who's daughter has a home is Durango. They are there right now and will be back Saturday so she is going to get more information from them when they return.

She did say:

"I have been to Vallecito Lake once. I drove up there one day to check it out and quickly left. Its the sort
of people you don't really want to be around. Not a pretty place.'

So, this is new information to me. I had not heard anyone specifically say anything about the lake or it not being a good place. jmo

I totally just had a little ' Deliverance' moment !

 

[scorekeeper]

there's a new facebook page for discussion....not sure I can post link

the link is mentioned on the find missing page...

interesting..

 

[Eileen730]

I totally just had a little ' Deliverance' moment !

Did you hear banjos?

 

[azgrandma]

There is a lot of focus on why LE is not sharing information, here are some thoughts I have been having today:
1) If LE believes that there is a local person that took DR, why haven't they asked the public to watch for someone with changing behavior (like they did w/Ridgeway)
2) LE isn't going to tell us anything that is involved in the case, IMO that is the wisest move. They would ask for public assistance if that was needed, but not provide updates in general.
3) If they believe that DR is out of the area, perhaps by a stranger, why hasn't there been any news on strange vehicles? Request for public assistance for knowledge of any strangers in the area, house guest leaving suddenly, etc. There has been more than enough time to search video for any abnormal vehicle as well as check the alibi of any vehicle that has passed through.
4) I'm more concerned by what LE HASN'T said vs what little they have. I know that many say that ER hasn't been "cleared" but seriously, she was hundreds of miles away w/CR - common sense tells you that they have been cleared but still LE hasn't cleared them or MR.
5) Cooperating vs cooperating fully are real different.
6) LE has not allowed access to or the media hasn't requested a copy of the SW, why?
7) LE mentioned when the phone last was pinged, Sunday night, but have never said where, wouldn't that be significant for a search and if it wasn't significant then why mention it at all?
8) The fishing pole was only mentioned by MR, I don't recall LE ever mentioning it.

The silence is deafening. What they AREN'T telling us (IMO) is louder than what they ARE telling us.

 

[LotusPawprint]

there's a new facebook page for discussion....not sure I can post link

the link is mentioned on the find missing page...

interesting..

I went to check but got side-tracked by "recent posts by others"...

it's quite tense over there, too. Understandably.


I'm so :furious: that one person (likely), whoever it may be, has done something to this child and caused so much devestation to his family and friends and the community and snatched his 13-year old innocence right out from under him.

One derranged monster sitting around somewhere with a sick secret allowing this to go on. Whether that person is in Bayfield or states away, as we are now six weeks out, I hope whatever's left of their conscience is cracking right now. Enough is enough. So angry.

 

[Tonto]

I think that is kind of revealing, that they have not focused on the area between.

Revealing indeed. Might be a reason he is still missing.