CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #21

[catswhiskers]

I hate that I am repeating myself, but I am posting my dead phone theory here again. First I have to ask though, hasn't anyone here ever kept a phone long enough for it to simply come to the end of its life? Perhaps for most posters, the phone is always upgraded before this happens? I've never been on a plan where mine has been upgraded after a certain time, so tend to keep my phones until they expire. Yes it sounds like a coincidence, but what if the dead phone is in fact the trigger that set the rest in motion?

OK so here it is
Around 8ish phone stops working - assumed to be out of charge.No doubt there was some tension/disappointment - especially on Dylan's part over having to cancel his plans. So even if Dylan suspected his phone had just carked it (died) in his hands, he mightn't have wanted to speak to dad and ask for his. Teenagers do sulk.

Back home phone goes on charger - Dylan is pooped/still disappointed (imo there is no denying that not getting to bed until 4am Sunday morning is going to catch up with a 13 year old) and falls asleep quickly on sofa.

Monday morning, being a typical overtired teen, Dylan is hard to rouse for the very early start - groggily agrees to getting a ride to his friends when dad gets back.
When Dylan wakes up enough (we are on holidays here now and my sons surfaced just after 10am this morning) he discovers the phone hasn't charged at all. Yes he's mad, but we can't know that he necessarily went into some desperate frenzy or panic over it. You and I might worry about missing a scheduled meeting time - he's 13. He eats breakfast while deciding what to do.

Here's a couple of scenarios that could have followed:

# Dylan is so ticked off/frustrated, he gathers his stuff and heads off on his own steam. Sick of waiting and being told what to do, he asserts his independence and hits the road. Wrong place/time - opportunistic predator passing by.

# Dylan waits for Dad to return (possibly not such a long wait if he really slept in). It's likely he has his all his gear packed and ready to jump in the truck as soon as dad arrives - possibly even waiting in the front yard or near the road impatiently. Seemingly helpful predator (not necessarily a complete stranger) arrives and offers a ride - maybe even in the guise of helping out dad.

That post has taken me well over an hour to type - lots of real life interruptions, so sorry if it seems out of context.

 

[Tennlyn]

RS&BBM

Not all phones buzz. One would have to have the vibration setting on.

My flip phone beeps when the battery is low no matter what the volume/vibration setting is. So does my son's although his is a different brand.

 

[mijamawi]

Now for the scary part, again this is IMO, I looked up information on filicide, believe me it was difficult. There isn't much on paternal filicide because it's not as common as maternal filicide. What struck me was that the most common paternal filicide is Spouse Revenge Filicide, based on the father's interpretation of the child's behavior, i.e. believing that the child prefers the mother. IMO, if MR did anything to DR that resulted in his death, this is the perfect fit. DR texts his mom with a scowl, he makes immediate plans with friends. DR didn't want to be there, he wanted to be with ER's side of the family. That would make any parent hurt a bit. IMO most parents would suck it up and either let the child go and have fun or say no, you are visiting me. But perhaps in some parents there is a feeling of resentment or jealousy, IDK.

But because instincts aren't facts, I go researching stats and, like you, find that revenge filicide is a concept too apt to dismiss in this case. We all hope we are wrong and that, by some crazy set of circumstances, Dylan comes home alive and well. Until than, thanks for chiming in. Time to get the kiddos in the tub. Happy new year, all.

Again, RS&BBM

Just out of curiosity, what was the most common reason for maternal filicide, since it's more common than paternal?

 

[Confusion]

<SNIP>
Around 8ish phone stops working - assumed to be out of charge.No doubt there was some tension/disappointment - especially on Dylan's part over having to cancel his plans. So even if Dylan suspected his phone had just carked it (died) in his hands, he mightn't have wanted to speak to dad and ask for his. Teenagers do sulk.

Back home phone goes on charger - Dylan is pooped/still disappointed (imo there is no denying that not getting to bed until 4am Sunday morning is going to catch up with a 13 year old) and falls asleep quickly on sofa.

Monday morning, being a typical overtired teen, Dylan is hard to rouse for the very early start - groggily agrees to getting a ride to his friends when dad gets back.
When Dylan wakes up enough (we are on holidays here now and my sons surfaced just after 10am this morning) he discovers the phone hasn't charged at all. Yes he's mad, but we can't know that he necessarily went into some desperate frenzy or panic over it. You and I might worry about missing a scheduled meeting time - he's 13. He eats breakfast while deciding what to do.

Here's a couple of scenarios that could have followed:

# Dylan is so ticked off/frustrated, he gathers his stuff and heads off on his own steam. Sick of waiting and being told what to do, he asserts his independence and hits the road. Wrong place/time - opportunistic predator passing by.

# Dylan waits for Dad to return (possibly not such a long wait if he really slept in). It's likely he has his all his gear packed and ready to jump in the truck as soon as dad arrives - possibly even waiting in the front yard or near the road impatiently. Seemingly helpful predator (not necessarily a complete stranger) arrives and offers a ride - maybe even in the guise of helping out dad.

That post has taken me well over an hour to type - lots of real life interruptions, so sorry if it seems out of context.

I had considered something similar. If the first part happened as you said, but he got home and was too tired to plug the phone in, he may have plugged it in when he woke up that morning, watched tv while eating breakfast. messed with his ipod for a while (or it may have fallen from the backpack when he took out the charger), and waited for maybe 1/2 hour for the phone to charge a bit. Once he had everything he needed ready to go, he could have packed up the charger and headed out the door to wait for MR and call R to let him know when he'd be there. Once he got out there and found that the phone wasn't working at all, he might have started walking out of frustration - figuring he could either catch a ride from a neighbor heading that way or meet his father when on his way home to save a bit of time. It is possible that a "neighbor" did stop to give him a ride, but not to where he had wanted to go. MOO

Sorry for one of the longest run-on sentences I've ever written!

 

[mijamawi]

My flip phone beeps when the battery is low no matter what the volume/vibration setting is. So does my son's although his is a different brand.

I've had 3 different phones in my life. An LG flip, Blackberry Curve and now iPhone 4s. Not one would beep or vibrate if vibrate was turned off or volume was shut off. I get a pop up message on my iphone saying my battery is low but no sound. I know Dylan didn't have a smartphone, I'm just saying that because I would think the newer phones would be more "smart." lol

 

[scorekeeper]

Wishing everyone a safe and Happy New Year.

Hope 2013 is a great year for you and your family, friends.

:great::great:

 

[all9ofus]

Seems MR may have had a few different attorneys during the course of his divorce proceedings.

Hello and thank you for posting. My question is: Was Valecito Reservoir spilling water over the spillway on Nov 19? My guess is that since it is a BuRec contract-water reservoir, it fills, starting Oct 1, after providing direct flow for reservation and non-reservation irrigators starting around April. So the water would've not been gushing over the spillway and anything put into the reservoir would've had to been put into the lake itself. And not the outlet canal?

As far as I know it is always flowing water out but it flows thru a system in the dam, not over it.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

Again, RS&BBM

Just out of curiosity, what was the most common reason for maternal filicide, since it's more common than paternal?

does that have any bearing on this particular case?

 

[Confusion]

The biggest problem with statistics is that there are always exceptions. If 40% of missing children have been murdered by a parent (I have no idea what the actual numbers are, and I'm too lazy to look them up). that means that 60% of missing children have NOT been murdered by a parent. Even if the numbers were 95% and 5%, it would still mean that some of those children had something else happen, and there's no reason to assume that DR is not among those children. I hope I'm being clear, but I'm probably not. MOO

 

[rebeccaeee]

Again, RS&BBM

Just out of curiosity, what was the most common reason for maternal filicide, since it's more common than paternal?

I would have to do some research but my first thought is postpartum. When I was looking at stats earlier today with infant/adolescent mortality rates, there were almost as many deaths in CO for 0-12 months as there were 1-14 years. I don't mean to make excuses for women who harm children- it is abhorrent but I find it hard to overlook the biology of postpartum and its impact.

OTOH, maybe women who are depressed (and once more out on a limb to say that more women suffer depression in general than men) take their kids with them in murder/suicide. Have to look at the numbers when I'm back at work.

 

[mijamawi]

does that have any bearing on this particular case?

No, I was just curious, as I stated already.

 

[Ransom]

Do you have a link? And also are you saying he went to Cortez that morning instead of Durango? Or that he went to a different lawyer that morning?

Italic above is my previous questions 2 pages back.
Sorry to repost but Ransom never answered. Does anyone have a link to this or know the answers to my questions? Is it just rumor?
If MR did in fact go to a different lawyer that morning that is very odd to me. I'm so confused help me out someone.

Public Record ... anyone can do this.... I did nothing special.

http://records.laplata.co.us/search/SearchTypeName
click, click
enter Redwine, Mark

Atty: Cameron Secrist

http://www.secristlaw.com/

There's more ... just look!!

 

[mijamawi]

The biggest problem with statistics is that there are always exceptions. If 40% of missing children have been murdered by a parent (I have no idea what the actual numbers are, and I'm too lazy to look them up). that means that 60% of missing children have NOT been murdered by a parent. Even if the numbers were 95% and 5%, it would still mean that some of those children had something else happen, and there's no reason to assume that DR is not among those children. I hope I'm being clear, but I'm probably not. MOO

Totally makes sense. I was the .0001% that got pregnant taking the pill even though I never missed one and took it at the same time every night. The exception was I was on an antibiotic that *may* reduce the affects of birth control. :rocker:

 

[Tennlyn]

I've had 3 different phones in my life. An LG flip, Blackberry Curve and now iPhone 4s. Not one would beep or vibrate if vibrate was turned off or volume was shut off. I get a pop up message on my iphone saying my battery is low but no sound. I know Dylan didn't have a smartphone, I'm just saying that because I would think the newer phones would be more "smart." lol

I've never had a smartphone...just good old-fashioned flip phones. The only reason we've ever had to replace them is because they got smashed. The smartphones may let you do more stuff, but my son & I use our laptops for that. We just want phones that are reliable and our old flip phones are workhorses! He texts CONSTANTLY...unlimited texting plan for us! (While using the laptop, while skateboarding, while using the bathroom...heck...I've heard him shut the water off in the middle of a shower when his phone rings. He thinks it's amusing that his text ringtone sounds like a landline!)

 

[Ransom]

As far as I know it is always flowing water out but it flows thru a system in the dam, not over it.

Correct. No water goes over the dam.

 

[Ransom]

Wouldn't MR know if his cell didn't work at his home? Because he told us that he sat at home texting Dylan Monday afternoon, and waited for him to reply. Would he do that if he had no cell service?

I have no idea what MR knew about DR phone or phone service/provider.

Phone service sucks at Vallecito Reservoir. IMO. ALL phone service. Nearest tower is miles, miles away.

 

[katydid23]

I hate that I am repeating myself, but I am posting my dead phone theory here again. First I have to ask though, hasn't anyone here ever kept a phone long enough for it to simply come to the end of its life? Perhaps for most posters, the phone is always upgraded before this happens? I've never been on a plan where mine has been upgraded after a certain time, so tend to keep my phones until they expire. Yes it sounds like a coincidence, but what if the dead phone is in fact the trigger that set the rest in motion?

OK so here it is
Around 8ish phone stops working - assumed to be out of charge.No doubt there was some tension/disappointment - especially on Dylan's part over having to cancel his plans. So even if Dylan suspected his phone had just carked it (died) in his hands, he mightn't have wanted to speak to dad and ask for his. Teenagers do sulk.

Back home phone goes on charger - Dylan is pooped/still disappointed (imo there is no denying that not getting to bed until 4am Sunday morning is going to catch up with a 13 year old) and falls asleep quickly on sofa.

Monday morning, being a typical overtired teen, Dylan is hard to rouse for the very early start - groggily agrees to getting a ride to his friends when dad gets back.
When Dylan wakes up enough (we are on holidays here now and my sons surfaced just after 10am this morning) he discovers the phone hasn't charged at all. Yes he's mad, but we can't know that he necessarily went into some desperate frenzy or panic over it. You and I might worry about missing a scheduled meeting time - he's 13. He eats breakfast while deciding what to do.

Here's a couple of scenarios that could have followed:

# Dylan is so ticked off/frustrated, he gathers his stuff and heads off on his own steam. Sick of waiting and being told what to do, he asserts his independence and hits the road. Wrong place/time - opportunistic predator passing by.

# Dylan waits for Dad to return (possibly not such a long wait if he really slept in). It's likely he has his all his gear packed and ready to jump in the truck as soon as dad arrives - possibly even waiting in the front yard or near the road impatiently. Seemingly helpful predator (not necessarily a complete stranger) arrives and offers a ride - maybe even in the guise of helping out dad.

That post has taken me well over an hour to type - lots of real life interruptions, so sorry if it seems out of context.

I have tried to accept a scenario like that, but I have a hard time for a few reasons. Dad said he 'gently nudged D awake and promised he would be back around 11 to pick him up.

As you said, tired teens on vacation tend to sleep in. So if D slept until 9 or 10, then had cereal and watched a little tv, he would have only an hour or two until his ride came home.

Why go out in the freezing cold, carrying a heavy backpack and a fishing pole, without even a working cell, to hitch a 19 mile ride , when your dad is only an hour from returning?

And what was he going to do about his broken phone, without contacting dad or mom about buying him a replacement?

And why didn't he contact his friends, who had been waiting for hours already, to see if they could get him a ride? Or at least to tell them he missed his earlier ride?

It is not that I don't believe that Dylan MIGHT try and hitch a ride. It is just that I don't think he would do so when he had no working cell, had not contacted his friend yet, and knew he had a ride coming in an hour or so.

And if he waited for his dad he could get a new battery for his cell first and get a ride right to the doorstep of his friends house. Hitchhiking is not as exact and takes much longer. jmo :moo:

 

[azgrandma]

Again, RS&BBM

Just out of curiosity, what was the most common reason for maternal filicide, since it's more common than paternal?

Altruism - child killed to prevent their suffering
Acute psychotic filicide - is 2nd

 

[katydid23]

I have no idea what MR knew about DR phone or phone service/provider.

Phone service sucks at Vallecito Reservoir. IMO. ALL phone service. Nearest tower is miles, miles away.

But what I am saying is that MR's cell phone worked for texting at his home. That has been established.

And he had a landline. So D could have used the landline and if he had no cell service, he could have looked up the numbers then called on the home phone.

But ER said that she received texts from DR while he was at his dad's before, so there is some service apparently. He probably bought one of those hotspot routers that are available.

 

[catswhiskers]

Exactly. I'm honestly not being snarky, but when I see a person a certain way, everything they do is magnified times 1000. For instance, if someone points out to me a certain person's annoying habits, those habits really start to stick out and I can't get past it. Everything that person says annoys me and grates on my nerves. JMO

Someone earlier mentioned what they thought was "consciousness of guilt" on MR's part. What you have described above reminds me of "consciousness of bias".