CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #21

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  • #861
If we work solely with the things we can prove we don't need Az to be able to tell us that MR hasn't changed. His pattern of behavior with her clearly seems to have been repeated in his marriage to ER. From the constant court battles to the general disinterest in the children right down to the sudden demands for parenting time, he stayed true to the man she knew him to be. That isn't coincidence, IMO. MR seems to have a pretty set in stone character.

What "sudden need to get visitation"? Before ER and MR both lived in the same community, visitation isn't much of an issue because ER lived a short distance away. The custody issue only started once ER moved to Colorado Springs, and MR wanted to make sure he could still see Dylan because he could no longer just drive down the street to pick him up for a weekend visit.

That is SOP when these happen. I've known both fathers and mothers who have had to deal with this when one of the parents move, and visitation becomes more of a problem.

If MR was that violent, he wouldn't have bothered going through the court system to be able to see his son. MOO
 
  • #862
My guess is MR told him he'd have to drop him off very early if he wanted to go before MR's errands. Makes sense to me. JMO

Tmk, MR has never stated publicly that he planned to drive Dylan to Bayfield by 6:30 am the following day.

If MR agreed to drive Dylan to RN’s by 6:30 am Monday morning, he should have said, “Sunday evening Dylan arranged to meet his friend at 6:30 am the following day so we agreed to get up at 5:30, shower, eat breakfast, and leave the house by 5:55 am because it takes 35 minutes to drive to Bayfield”.

If MR began waking Dylan up at 5:30 am and Dylan refused to get up, surely Dylan would have gotten up before Mark had to leave @7:30 am if Mark aroused him for 2 hours. MR said he was stirring around the house and Dylan was sleeping on the couch in the LR and because DR needed a ride to Bayfield, imo Dylan would have gotten up, texted RN, and left with his dad at 7:30 am imo.

IMO, if MR had agreed to drive Dylan to RN's by 6:30 am, Dylan would have been happy to get up with his dad at 5:30 am.
 
  • #863
What "sudden need to get visitation"? Before ER and MR both lived in the same community, visitation isn't much of an issue because ER lived a short distance away. The custody issue only started once ER moved to Colorado Springs, and MR wanted to make sure he could still see Dylan because he could no longer just drive down the street to pick him up for a weekend visit.

That is SOP when these happen. I've known both fathers and mothers who have had to deal with this when one of the parents move, and visitation becomes more of a problem.

If MR was that violent, he wouldn't have bothered going through the court system to be able to see his son. MOO

I dont think MR saw Dylan all that often!
Seems he started this court ordered visitation when Elaine moved.

I think he was angry they moved not so much that he was missing his sons
Corey dosent live there as i have read and he has no time for his dad why should Dylan. Dad should have left well enuff alone. If he wanted a relationship with his son why didnt he go to him and take him out for a dinner and a movie
on weekends start off slow and let him warm to him then move on to weeks away with dad.... I dont think MR knows how to be a dad! JMO
 
  • #864
What is Bulleit Rye and Winco? Lol!

Winco = cheap cheap grocery store. Just got to bag your own groceries.
Bulleit Rye = nectar of the Gods. Smooth whiskey. Makes the best mint julep you've ever had in your life.
 
  • #865
Do we know if Dylan showered the night before Elaine said that was his patten of behavior???.
He would get ready the night before and with such early AM plans i do not see him changing from his routine
 
  • #866
I dont think MR saw Dylan all that often!
Seems he started this court ordered visitation when Elaine moved.

I think he was angry they moved not so much that he was missing his sons
Corey dosent live there as i have read and he has no time for his dad why should Dylan. Dad should have left well enuff alone. If he wanted a relationship with his son why didnt he go to him and take him out for a dinner and a movie
on weekends start off slow and let him warm to him then move on to weeks away with dad.... I dont think MR knows how to be a dad! JMO

The court ordered visitation was because ER moved and they now needed to make arrangements for her to put DR on a plane to visit MR. That's what the court system is for, to schedule arrangements, figure out who pays for the plane ticket, etc.

"Dinner and a movie"? I don't remember my dad ever taking me out for dinner and a movie. That's not a father-son activity, that is a date :moo:
 
  • #867
I have personally seen an ex, who was controlling, use his children and the court system to harass, stalk, intimidate, etc. With 2 separate ex wives. He eventually released all rights to his children in exchange for no child support. He also had a physically violent background.
MR history seems to me to have a lot in common with him.
Jmoo
 
  • #868
The court ordered visitation was because ER moved and they now needed to make arrangements for her to put DR on a plane to visit MR. That's what the court system is for, to schedule arrangements, figure out who pays for the plane ticket, etc.

"Dinner and a movie"? I don't remember my dad ever taking me out for dinner and a movie. That's not a father-son activity, that is a date :moo:

My kids go to the movies and to Outback with their dad!

Is that a date?
 
  • #869
There are also a lot of coincidences in the idea that Dylan's phone must have stopped working, that he could find no way to contact R or simply chose not to, that he blew off keeping to their arrangements in order to sleep in, and that he finally dressed, ate cereal and took off with his things only to be abducted by a roaming pervert, all without leaving a note or calling anyone, but a lot of people are leaning that way too.
That's why I said there were too many coincidences...

If you were just picked up from the airport while visiting relatives, and your phone went dead on the way to their home within an hour of them picking you up, would you consider that an amazing coincidence? How about if you had been up almost all night the night before, and fell asleep shortly after getting to the home? Would it then be an unbelievable coincidence?

Okay, so you get up in the morning and the person you're staying with is gone. Nobody stops by for the entire time the person is away; still acceptable coincidences? How about if the person had actually woke you half way up and said he/she would be back in a few hours, would it be impossible to believe that as tired as you had been that you might not even remember the conversation, especially after the coincidences from the night before?

If you plugged in your cell phone and watched some tv you wouldn't normally watch while eating breakfast and waiting for the phone to charge, would that be too much to believe after the other things? How about if you try to use the phone after 30+ minutes and find that the battery won't charge (either the battery or the charger is shot), would that make all of the other things totally impossible?

Ok, we let all of that slide, but what if you went outside to cool off because you're upset about the phone, and don't even think about the fact that there's a land line inside because you've never had to use it and it isn't in an obvious place. Too much coincidence? What if you brought out your bag/backpack with you to see if you may have remembered to pack a spare battery or a pen and paper (which may or may not have been available inside).

No? Well, how about if someone you knew from the area stopped to chat for a few minutes while you were sitting out there? How about if you told the person you were waiting for the relative to get home to take you somewhere, and he/she offered you a ride? If you knew the friend had a phone you could use to contact the relative and say where you were, would it be totally unheard of to not leave a note?

Now after all of that, if you got to your destination, called the relative to say where you were and you were picked up later and brought back to the house, would anyone doubt the truth about any of those other "coincidences"?

Sorry I'm so long-winded, but I'm just trying to make it clearer why I don't think things are necessarily coincidences. One may have nothing to do with the other under other circumstances. MOO
 
  • #870
Winco = cheap cheap grocery store. Just got to bag your own groceries.
Bulleit Rye = nectar of the Gods. Smooth whiskey. Makes the best mint julep you've ever had in your life.

Never heard of either one! But then again, I don't get out much!!! Lol!
 
  • #871
My kids go to the movies and to Outback with their dad!

Is that a date?

No but to me that is weird. I don't know anyone in my family who does "dinner and a movie" with their kids, unless they are just eating at home first which doesn't really count.
 
  • #872
My kids go to the movies and to Outback with their dad!

Is that a date?

My husband takes our kids out to eat and watch a movie quite often. They even prefer drive ins. I rarely go along. They have a preference for super hero movies which don't appeal to me (those of you on my Facebook are probably scratching your heads right now since I am currently and constantly playing Marvel Heroes but that is my only interest in them).
 
  • #873
My kids go to the movies and to Outback with their dad!

Is that a date?

When one of my grandsons was little he called his time with his dad, daddy share day! He had to share himself with daddy too! It was cute!
 
  • #874
Dylan was probably being a pain in the neck from the moment he arrived in Durango. He expected to go to his friend's house right after arriving. He is pestering MR about it, being snarky, grumpy, probably sighing and rolling his eyes. He tries to calm Dylan down by taking him to Walmart. Dylan walks around the store, grumpy and snarky. I don't think Dylan made it to the house. I don't know there the situation escalated, but I don't think it was actually in the vehicle. Sadly, I think Dylan was either buried somewhere or put in the water.

I think a 13 year old can push the patience of many grown-ups. I just wonder if MR was pushed over the edge. These are IMO only.
 
  • #875
No but to me that is weird. I don't know anyone in my family who does "dinner and a movie" with their kids, unless they are just eating at home first which doesn't really count.

My sons went to dinner and movies, go-cart racing, swimming, and other activities with Dad when they visited him. My older son moved to Wisconsin with him when he was about 17, and found that day to day life was nothing like visitation was. I have to admit though, most NCPs I know don't always make plans like that.

ETA: Just read the posts I missed and realized I totally misunderstood what you were saying. In my case there were times when he just came out for a quick visit and took them (or sometimes all 3 of us) to dinner and a movie, but not as a way to build a relationship. I believe that DR stayed at MR's house a lot more than people think he did. Even ER only said that he wasn't seeing him much in the "past 3 years". Nowhere have I seen that they didn't spend time together after the divorce but before he had to start spending so much time away for work.
 
  • #876
No but to me that is weird. I don't know anyone in my family who does "dinner and a movie" with their kids, unless they are just eating at home first which doesn't really count.

I have known many NCP who do dinner out and a movie on their visits.
Sometimes it's something to look forward to. Jmo
Movie first then dinner is best so they can discuss it. After that the talk and hanging out can be smoother.
 
  • #877
The thing about dinner-and-a-movie for fathers with visitation is that for two hours, you aren't spending time with your kid. You are sitting in a theater watching a movie. That's two hours you could spend bonding with your son, instead you are watching stuff blow up. I dunno, if I was a father with visitation I'm not sure I'd go to a movie unless the mother wouldn't take him and he really wanted to see it.
 
  • #878
Dylan was probably being a pain in the neck from the moment he arrived in Durango. He expected to go to his friend's house right after arriving. He is pestering MR about it, being snarky, grumpy, probably sighing and rolling his eyes. He tries to calm Dylan down by taking him to Walmart. Dylan walks around the store, grumpy and snarky. I don't think Dylan made it to the house. I don't know there the situation escalated, but I don't think it was actually in the vehicle. Sadly, I think Dylan was either buried somewhere or put in the water.

I think a 13 year old can push the patience of many grown-ups.
I just wonder if MR was pushed over the edge. These are IMO only.

Very true . My parents never agreed with hitting us as they thought it was abuse and never taught us anything. My Dad is the softest man on earth and would go without just so i could have something.

Yet as a teenager he came close to throttling me a few times i would think where i would push and push and just would not back down. I always had to be right !


Now i am lucky as he never did and he is gentle giant but if you had put me with somebody with a temper , well there would of been casualties i am sure.

I did read something somewhere from here where it said Dylan was another one that would not simply back down . If he was pushed then he would push back. And if MR had a tempter than something could of happened in the heat of the moment .


IMHO ( From personal experience )
 
  • #879
My older boys were teenagers when my ex-husband and I separated. I was the one who dealt with the homework, parent-teacher conferences, activities, etc. The ex was the cool parent, took the boys to paintball, hunting, camping, fishing, movies, etc.

Of course, now the boys are adults (22 and 25) and are closer to me. I was kind of annoyed that my exhusband was seen as their buddy, but now that several years have passed, I realize that the role he continued to fill as a decent adult male in their lives was important too. Maybe MR was making some efforts with Dylan because it doesn't sound like he made many efforts with any of his older boys. But maybe it was just too late to try and make things work with a 13 year old.

I'm not really going anywhere with this (like most of my posts lol).
 
  • #880
I would really like to see MR interviewed on air by a male reporter (preferably KT but I will settle for any). I bet his demeanor is very different when a man is asking the questions.
 
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