CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #21

[white rabbit]

I thought it was because it was a big enough staging area for that many people and I also thought the owner offered them the area. They then had buses that took the search groups to pre-assigned locations.

Heck, all I know is that Dylan was last seen at Walmart :blushing:

I believe the area was chosen because it afforded a mass amount of parking for all the volunteers. Even if 2-3 people in a vehicle, that's still a lot of cars that need to park off road safely. Plus many school buses were brought in the transport the folks hither and yon. Those buses need ingress and egress.

Similar to other cases where a church parking lot is used on a Saturday.

omg did i actually have success in double-quoting? :great:

i understand that, but there has to be a stretch of plain ground much closer to vallecito lake (an RV park, a campground), no? satellite google shows a whole lot of empty, unharvested/uninhabited land exactly where the 240 meets 501. why not there? IMO they chose THAT location (edgemont) for another reason. it's so far from MR's house (the last place he was seen, according to a few not all MSM reports) AND lemon/lake that i almost feel it's a ridiculous spot. unless there was a bona fide reason. kwim?

 

[asyousay]

LE don't owe us a damn thing but they owe Dylan and if it was a random abductor then they should be getting that message out to the community IMO

 

[Seajay]

I dont think he is legally guilty of anything nor do I think he will ever be charged with anything either but I could be wrong this time of course.

Dylan was 13 years old and old enough to be home alone, imo. What are the laws in CO where a child is old enough to stay by themselves? If he meets that age then MR is not responsible for what happened to Dylan.

Which parents were charged with anything when they had a child go missing?

If others wish to crucify Mark Redwine so be it. That their decision totally to make on their own. However; for myself I prefer to have substantiated evidence of any wrongdoing. I dont see any at this time but of course that is subject to change IF and when we are told something concrete by LE that would point in one direction or the other.

Now like a lot of parents he may feel guilt but that doesnt mean he illegally did anything to Dylan, imo

IMO

I too am waiting for evidence that MR did something to DR before crucifying him. I just don't see it yet. I see things twisted and tweeked and read through opinion to look like he did something, but that isn't my take on it yet. I am not seeing it that way.

Like I said before, I'm waiting for the "smoking gun." This Mark is a drunk, and Mark has anger issues and blew up is not proven. None of it is proven.

And the court issues were tit for tat IMO. What precipated any of it??? It takes two to fight, not one. Not all court proceedings were initiated by MR. He got taken to court about as often as he took it to court.

So I am waiting for proof. I have a high standard of proof. I'm a Doubting Thomas, I need more to convince me. JMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

That's just it. LE doesn't owe us an explanation or answers, MR doesn't owe us anything. Neither of them owe MSM anything either.

Just because certain things haven't been reported and announced or released to the press, doesn't mean LE doesn't have the answers, it doesn't mean MR didn't tell LE what they wanted to know, it doesn't mean what has been released is ALL the information there is.

We have questions, lots of questions and we don't have answers. But that doesn't mean those answers weren't given to LE. Just because it appears MR isn't forthcoming with information because he hasn't spoken further with MSM, doesn't mean he hasn't full cooperated with LE. In fact, LE has gone on record 3 or 4 times now, stating that MR has been full cooperating.

And I imagine that LE has taken up a lot of MR's time with this investigating as tips have come in, and new questions have arisen.

Just because WE don't know stuff doesn't mean LE doesn't know it. It takes a lot of time to investigate a disappearance. This isn't Criminal Minds or SVU or Criminal Intent, where the crime gets committed, the investigation takes 30 minutes, they chase the criminal and arrest him within the hour.

ITA!

And in every case here there are always plenty of things we dont know that we want to know (lol) and we should be really thankful that family members wont divulge details nor LE. The main objective is to protect the ongoing investigation. Imo no family member wants to impede an ongoing investigation that involves their loved one. Marlene Lamar said that over and over again and she knew so much behind the scene (bless her heart) but she stood strong and would not reveal what she knew.

When one of my co-workers was murdered back in the 90s the GBI told her mother not to breathe a word of what she knew to the media. She respected what they asked of her.

IMO

 

[scorekeeper]

Even if we assume that MR is completely innocent his actions on the day that Dylan went missing become relevant and important for an entirely different set of reasons. At the very least Mark's absence from the house set the stage for Dylan to go missing.

What if Mark was late (or later than reported) getting back? An hours wait could have made the difference between an impatient boy waiting on dad for the promised ride and setting out on his own. Or when did Mark first text/call Dylan? Where was he? Could have expressed frustration with Dylan not answering his calls out loud and someone realizing that Dylan was home alone and taking advantage of that knowledge? Mark even remarking to a cashier, teller, etc that he was in a hurry because Dylan was waiting on him and he still had several stops to make could have provided the same opportunity to a bystander.

There is more reasons than crucifying Mark to examine his actions on Monday and closely examining what he has said since then.

Wonder why he never said something like,-- boy I wished I would have let him go to his friend's Sunday night or why didn't I make him get up and take him to Bayfield or take him with me? :waitasec::waitasec:

JMO

 

[cat28]

So I am waiting for proof. I have a high standard of proof. I'm a Doubting Thomas, I need more to convince me. JMO

Totally agree!

 

[Crosby87]

Mark was awarded visitation "on certain days" when ER was awarded primary custody in September and ER said Dylan’s visit with Mark on the LB weekend was the most recent one since they moved so I think this visit was one of the "certain days" Mark was permitted to have Dylan.

Because Judge Dickinson issued a court order granting Mark Redwine, Dylan’s father, visitation rights during the Thanksgiving holiday, I don't believe it was granted in September and that’s why Mark needed a court order from the Judge to have him in November.

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HESS: Dylan was awarded -- his mother was awarded full custody of him in September and then his father was awarded visitation on certain days.

REDWINE: You know, I didn`t really think anything of it just because, you know, when he`s been with his dad here before, which was over Labor Day weekend was the most recent since we`ve moved -- you know, he kind of did his own thing as far as with his friends. And so I would text him and be, like, you know, Are you having fun? And it wouldn`t be a prescribed time. It would just kind of be more throughout the day, just me, you know, telling him I loved him and just kind of reaching out to him.

“Sixth Judicial District Judge David Dickinson issued a court order granting Mark Redwine, Dylan’s father, visitation rights during the Thanksgiving holiday”.

JMO

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1211/28/ng.01.html
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1212/03/ng.01.html

 

[TxJan1971]

We haven't received many comments regarding the case in weeks. So, yes, as of the beginning of December sometime, Mark had been cooperating with LE.

We haven't heard anything of substance since early December, either way. We don't know of any further search warrants of other properties; additional lie detector tests, grand jury investigations, etc. I just have to believe that law enforcement is investigating this case and putting it together the best they can. Dylan deserves nothing less than having justice and that whomever did this being prosecuted and locked up!

FWIW, does it have to be a direct quote from LE that he has been cooperating? Some of us have been chastised for posts we previously made because what we posted wasn't a "direct quote" or "FACT" by LE. It was further stressed that just because it is stated by a reporter in MSM doesn't make it true.... so if folks want, I am willing to go back through my "direct quotes" log and see how many actual "direct quotes from LE" state he is cooperating and is not a suspect.

 

[all9ofus]

right...so why didn't the meeting of 350 people occur at that intersection?

they met miles (i don't know, about 6?) west at a random location, just outside durango...not vallecito nor lemon lake. IMO it wasn't a picnic area chosen at random. kwim?

The picnic area they used for a meeting place is right on county road 240 which is also Florida Road. It is at the intersection of 240 and 234

 

[momrids6]

interesting that the Edgemont picnic area is only 6.8 miles outside Durango from the McDonalds

https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=...f9erinzpB8hRKc-hzECvfyKUf9erg&mra=ls&t=m&z=13

Could they have possibly taken the mcd's there to eat & toss the football around on the way home??? Maybe Dylan left his phone there?

 

[asyousay]

Could they have possibly taken the mcd's there to eat & toss the football around on the way home??? Maybe Dylan left his phone there?

If Dylan lost his phone he would of said something . If Dylan's phone broke he would of said something IMO

This was the way he kept in contact with mum so there is no way he would not say anything I'f something happened to it .


MOo

 

[white rabbit]

The picnic area they used for a meeting place is right on county road 240 which is also Florida Road. It is at the intersection of 240 and 234

right. and their area of interest was county road 501, 240, lemon reservoir and vallecito lake. with the exception of 240, none are near 234 for 350 people on foot. a more common denominator would have been MR's house (and worked outward), the intersection of 240 & 501 (as if dylan was en route to bayfield) or the bodies of water themselves.

instead, they chose the intersection of 240 and 234. why?

 

[Confusion]

I think we all want the same thing - for Dylan to be alive and well and returned to his family. Regarding the statement in bold - not sure if you are implying that ER would go to these lengths to make MR look bad, but if so I have trouble buying into that scenario...I don't think it benefits her in the long run, nor does it benefit Dylan to be ripped from the left he has known and his freinds, etc for a life of hiding, just to spite MR. It seems like she would be cutting of her nose to spite her face, becuase it would mean she could not live with Dylan as her son anymore if he's in hiding. I mean, not saying people don't do strange things to get back at an EX but it seems farfetched because it seems like more things were going in her favor and she has the most to lose...she had primary custody, she was able to move with him, she's going to re-marry...I'd be more inclined to go along with this theory of hiding the boy out of spite if she were the non custodial parent. JMO.

I don't believe ER was even mentioned in the post you quoted. There may be other people with an axe to grind with regards to any member of DR's immediate family, close friends or even extended family. Who's to say that someone who was upset with one of them didn't take him, planning to make life miserable for a while (or cause a lot of suspicion and accusations to be thrown around) and then couldn't figure out how to return him without being detected. I know the most likely ending for that type of case would be death, but not every bitter person is capable of murder. IMO I've also read somewhere that whoever it was (that posted it) thought that someone may have taken him in hopes that the loss and the pressure would lead to MR committing suicide (the same could have been said about ER, I'm sure).

I would hope the last one wasn't true, but something obviously did cause him to disappear. I personally have no problem with choosing to prefer an option that doesn't involve DR dying unless evidence to the contrary is shown. MOO

 

[all9ofus]

Could they have possibly taken the mcd's there to eat & toss the football around on the way home??? Maybe Dylan left his phone there?

There is no other place on county road 240 closer to Vallecito that would be sufficient for staging that many people.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Could they have possibly taken the mcd's there to eat & toss the football around on the way home??? Maybe Dylan left his phone there?

It would have been dark. I know someone mentioned glow in the dark nerf footballs so I guess it's possible?

 

[mijamawi]

Wonder why he never said something like,-- boy I wished I would have let him go to his friend's Sunday night or why didn't I make him get up and take him to Bayfield or take him with me? :waitasec::waitasec:

JMO

How do you know he hasn't? Just because it wasn't written in MSM? The reporters pick and choose what they want to print.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

There is no other place on county road 240 closer to Vallecito that would be sufficient for staging that many people.

And THIS is why locals can be so helpful. Thanks!

 

[momrids6]

If Dylan lost his phone he would of said something . If Dylan's phone phone he would of said something IMO

This was the way he kept in contact with mum so there is no way he would not say anything I'f something happened to it .


MOo

Unless he didn't realize it until the morning...? My kids lose plenty; maybe it fell out of his pocket and he didn't realize ... I don't know- trying to think of the why around the picnic area...irregardless

ETA: going to track down yoda- I need a map I can understand

 

[all9ofus]

And THIS is why locals can be so helpful. Thanks!

You are welcome. Looking at pics or maps makes it appear that there are a lot of open space to stage while in reality those spaces are NOT practical.

 

[asyousay]

Unless he didn't realize it until the morning...? My kids lose plenty; maybe it fell out of his pocket and he didn't realize ... I don't know- trying to think of the why around the picnic area...irregardless

Then why leave home without waiting for MR to pick him up and explain about his phone ? , or why not leave a note to tell MR that he could not be contacted due to the phone not working ?

Or use the computer/landline to contact somebody ?

And if it fell out of his pocket then why would of stopped pinging at 8pm that night ?.


IMO it always comes back to the phone