CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #22

[imamaze]

Yes but Elaine made it perfectly clear she took one and passed it!
Even if LE dosent say anything!

Why wouldnt dad do the same?

Yea and she also inserted her thoughts on MR's test as well, and I don't think she should be doing that either.

I have no idea why M isn't saying. It doesn't make me think he's guilty because of it though. Looks to me like the media loves to play parents against one another and that bothers me.

 

[vasportsmom]

Well I think I'm in the same boat as MR though ... even down to the inactive phones. Sure mine is pinging away, but as I said earlier there are 2 dead phones buried somewhere among clothes or other boy stuff! Neither charged for weeks at a time. So add to that my lax housekeeping skills and a street where we all value our privacy, I could easily be put on the spot!

But I do have to fess up - both sons were glued to laptops playing WOW online (grrr they are obsessed with it!). I just fancied leaving that bit out for dramatic effect. -_- I still think its tough to prove you were home alone with someone, especially if you've done nothing wrong and weren't expecting to be asked for proof :moo:

O/T but do you play WoW too? All 4 of us play here and I'm always looking for other females to play with.

 

[SCHMAE]

I also think there is more to this than the dad lost his temper and did something by accident. MR has a bad history, so it makes you think he's involved with something. maybe as simple as jealousy/revenge.
but what is the mystery? what's missing?

I say one thing missing, or two things don't add up for me with MR.
While I think he's very good for this by all accounts, last person to see him,
unseemly history, not too close with his kids, etc. I also think how could MR
pull off what seems to be the perfect crime? How could he with his drinking and
temper pull this off leaving no trace, well enough to leave a local LE and entire WS site and the FBI stumped for 6 weeks? Of all the things he strikes me as, cunning, crafty, slick, sly and undetectable are NOT any of them. Maybe AZG can weigh in if she likes. I just agree very much that MR would fit perfectly into this box of what the perp might look like in this case and yet I don't see how a raging drinking wild man could do it and not have left evidence of it. To have him the perp and leave nothing behind would actually make him NONE of the things we think / know/ think we know him to be. Right? It seems the kind of person who gets away with this forever is the quiet, passive, never raises a ruckus type of person, neighbors thought he's an angel and real sweet and helpful , thoughtful, educated, etc. The list goes on but I think you get the drift.

So to paraphrase, after my rambling, if MR is guilty of Dylan's disappearance he is NOTHING that we think he is . He's a different person altogether than what we've been looking at .
Which is it ?

 

[mmmagique]

Have you asked her this or seen anywhere that suggests this ? ty




That does not try in with what you are saying

I'm 36 (ouch!) and an avid texter too. I'm addicted to my phone and freely admit that. To address a point someone made above though, I text a lot and consider myself pretty knowledgable with "text speak" but I would not feel comfortable taking my son's phone and pretending to be him, even to cover my behind. I think I would fail miserably even though I text with my son often and know his "style". I really doubt that MR could pull off posing as Dylan.

I'm (obv.) very immature for my age. I can talk on the phone with my daughter's friends, and they think it's her. I can also copy her texting style. (it was just an experiment...I came clean right after...)

 

[Seajay]

Oh that's funny how different people read that differently. Maybe she can explain what she meant. I certainly thought it meant he drank on a regular basis (as in daily or almost daily). I guess I don't even know what a 'normal' drinker is? I don't drink at all so I am a non drinker. How often does a 'normal' drinker drink? There are different types of alcoholics and not all drink daily. My ex is an alcoholic and he didn't drink every day.

My idea of a "normal" drinker would be someone who has a drink or two at a party, or on a holiday, a glass of wine with dinner, but can occasionally get totally blitzed and do something dumb or embarrassing. They can take it or leave it. Drink once in awhile, not all the time or have ugly consequences each time they do. Someone that can go years without touching a drop, or someone who has a drink just once in awhile.

 

[vasportsmom]

I say one thing missing, or two things don't add up for me with MR.
While I think he's very good for this by all accounts, last person to see him,
unseemly history, not too close with his kids, etc. I also think how could MR
pull off what seems to be the perfect crime? How could he with his drinking and
temper pull this off leaving no trace, well enough to leave a local LE and entire WS site and the FBI stumped for 6 weeks? Of all the things he strikes me as, cunning, crafty, slick, sly and undetectable are NOT any of them. Maybe AZG can weigh in if she likes. I just agree very much that MR would fit perfectly into this box of what the perp might look like in this case and yet I don't see how a raging drinking wild man could do it and not have left evidence of it. To have him the perp and leave nothing behind would actually make him NONE of the things we think / know/ think we know him to be. Right? It seems the kind of person who gets away with this forever is the quiet, passive, never raises a ruckus type of person, neighbors thought he's an angel and real sweet and helpful , thoughtful, educated, etc. The list goes on but I think you get the drift.

So to paraphrase, after my rambling, if MR is guilty of Dylan's disappearance he is NOTHING that we think he is . He's a different person altogether than what we've been looking at .
Which is it ?

I feel like that about Baby Lisa's case and Baby A (in WV). Neither of their mothers seem like geniuses but their daughters are still missing over a year later and they both look guilty as sin. It sucks but sometimes the perps are just that darn lucky.

 

[Eileen730]

Yea and she also inserted her thoughts on MR's test as well, and I don't think she should be doing that either.

I have no idea why M isn't saying. It doesn't make me think he's guilty because of it though. Looks to me like the media loves to play parents against one another and that bothers me.

Well Look at it another way!
what if you think your husband did do something to your child!
Wouldnt you say something I know i would.

There is no love lost between these two!
Elaine is vocal Mark isnt is that because she is telling the truth and he cant
say she is wrong?



JMO

 

[EGirl]

off how?

8pm sunday night is the last contact anyone has with Dylan.

would it be less or more suspicious had Dylan disappeared right before he was due to leave Vallecito to return home. IMO it would seem to be more suspicious.

I was the OP on the 'something is off' statement. Call it hunch, intuition....etc after many years of following missing persons cases.

Something just doesn't feel right to me. In other words, it is just my opinion.

 

[SmoothOperator]

Just an observation but if MR is capable of carrying out all the theories that have been posted here, in my opinion would make him a clinically crazy man. a schizo, psychopath, mentally disturbed person who would kill his son in a rage or in premeditation. Not a person who happens to be a father that had his son visit him just 2 months before, fought for a Thanksgiving visit, and was reportedly upset because he lost shared custody when ER moved away. jmo

And its sadly and unfortunately quite similar to many of those who have harmed/killed their children that we read about, follow, and grieve for the loss of their innocence.. many times the person responsible is disturbed and has a history of disturbing patterns and behavior that in HINDSIGHT seem to be bright, neon flashing WARNING SIGNS..

IMO most times people are always in disbelief when the actual evidence is revealed as to who is responsible for the death of an innocent child...even if one has shown what IMO is pattern of disturbing behaviors, even still MOST DO NOT (prior to the murder) consciously believe that person to be capable of such heinous acts against a child..yet when they do the brutal realization of just how 20/20, crystal clear that hindsight becomes and all the more destroyed are they for not somehow, someway being able to protect their own flesh and blood child(even if in reality they had zero recourse for being able to prevent such a heinous act)..

yep, disturbed is definitely an accurate descriptor of the vast majority of perps who we see harm/kill innocent children..

 

[aust amateur slueth]

Yea and she also inserted her thoughts on MR's test as well, and I don't think she should be doing that either.

I have no idea why M isn't saying. It doesn't make me think he's guilty because of it though. Looks to me like the media loves to play parents against one another and that bothers me.

It doesn't bother me at all, I think they do it to see the responses and I'd guess its been a successful method thats gained them information.

for example if someone is known to be a hot head and they get prickled and prodded by their partner and yet they stay super calm, instead of lashing out LE are going to note that because its out of the ordinary behaviour.

 

[Seajay]

And unfortunately that's probably the hardest to prove - especially for someone who lives alone. How could I prove to anyone that my kids slept in my house last night?

Good point. My son visited for a week, when he left he took everything with him and left nothing behind, and left the room spic and span. Right now if I had to prove he had been here, I couldn't. I've already washed towels and bedding.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

My idea of a "normal" drinker would be someone who has a drink or two at a party, or on a holiday, a glass of wine with dinner, but can occasionally get totally blitzed and do something dumb or embarrassing. They can take it or leave it. Drink once in awhile, not all the time or have ugly consequences each time they do. Someone that can go years without touching a drop, or someone who has a drink just once in awhile.

I didn't take her comment to mean this it all. I'm hoping she will come along and clarify this for us. To me the issue of whether or not he is a 'regular' as in consistent or even daily drinker does make a difference. An alcoholics thinking is often irrational, paranoid and delusional. Trust me, I know.

 

[Seajay]

See you there:jail:
Can I request a single room? Wait, it doesn't work that way does it?

It least it comes with room service. Wonder if they warm the towels for you and turn down the bed.

 

[azgrandma]

I took that to mean that he drank regularly, with regularity. Routinely.

I did not take it to mean moderately.

Originally Posted by momrids6
CO CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #20 - Page 18 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community


"I can safely say that at that time he would have been considered a regular drinker."

BBM




I have to clarify my "regular" comment and I so much apologize if it caused confusion.
I didn't want to get into a winded reply but I guess I should have. By regular, what I meant was that he would go out with friends to a bar and yes they would drink, we would go to dinner and he might have a drink, at a party he would drink. Remember we were young and had little babies so it wasn't as if it was daily or anything like every weekend he would be drunk. It was just the normal at the time, at the age, kind of drinking. I can think of a couple times when you have those moments when you say "I'm never doing that again" type of drinking. That's what I meant by a regular drinker.

I am soooo very sorry for any and obviously all the confusion I caused.

 

[mck16]

Yes but Elaine made it perfectly clear she took one and passed it!
Even if LE dosent say anything!

Why wouldnt dad do the same?

Maybe because he hasn't been asked or on GMA or NG, or Opra, or Dr. Phil. He hasn't been on any shows and to my knowledge has not been asked publically if he took and passed an LD. But, I would be willing to bet he has taken one and probably passed. Oh and btw, I know ER hasn't been on any of those shows except NG and GMA. jmo

 

[imamaze]

Well Look at it another way!
what if you think your husband did do something to your child!
Wouldnt you say something I know i would.

There is no love lost between these two!
Elaine is vocal Mark isnt is that because she is telling the truth and he cant
say she is wrong?



JMO

I wouldn't be saying it to the media and I certainly wouldn't be saying something about a test he took. Its fine she talked about hers.

As for if it were my husband? I would be telling law enforcement,not the media. I do not see what good this does.

No, why would he want to say she is wrong? He doesn't have to answer to anyone except law enforcement. Her talking to the media and him not doesn't make me think he's guilty of anything, other than being the parent that was caring for Dylan at the time he disappeared and yes that's a pretty big thing! I do not think talking to the media is going to change anything.

Ima

 

[catswhiskers]

oh there was more if you read the article including a neighbours reasoning for thinking that

I'm missing something then - I see the general comments about the community's fear, but nothing more specific from 'neighbours'. I guess I was being too literal and expected something from MR's actual neighbours.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

I'm missing something then - I see the general comments about the community's fear, but nothing more specific from 'neighbours'. I guess I was being too literal and expected something from MR's actual neighbours.

“It’s quite obvious now that he has been gone for over a week that he has not run away,” said Lisa Bourque, a Vallecito resident who created a Vallecito Facebook page and has been updating it constantly with news of Redwine’s disappearance.

Hess said she and those close to the family maintain Dylan did not run away from his father’s house.

“I guess the options are that someone took him against his will or foul play somewhere,” Hess said.

Bourque had similar fears.

“We’re one way in, one way out. Nobody is going to come to Vallecito looking for a little kid. There’s not even a playground here, there aren’t even that many kids here, and he wasn’t even living here. It doesn’t make any sense,” said Bourque, who has lived in the community for nine years.

 

[azgrandma]

azgrandma, I appreciate that you are walking a fine line posting here as MR's ex, so I will understand if you don't feel comfortable answering this: Did MR's drinking cause problems in your marriage or contribute to your marriage breaking up? TIA Also, apologize if you have already been asked as I have not seen it, thanks

No problem at all, I will answer what I can when I can. I'm trying to work and read this too.

Sometimes he was a mean drunk, other times he was a funny drunk, again it wasn't every night and I think that people react to different alcohol drinks differently so that may have been a factor in how he reacted. We didn't divorce because of alcohol, it was because of other factors.

Really it was a very long time ago and with little ones at the time, going out to party was a luxury.

 

[Chili Fries]

Here's how I generally look at all of these cases, as far as the last person to see the missing person arousing suspicion. I break it down into 4 categories (which may overlap):


1 Does the last person to see the missing have a troubling record? Is there court/LE documented evidence of past violent behaviour?

2 Does LE appear to be strongly focused on that person? He or she doesn't have to be named as a suspect/POI for that to be obvious (for example, Terri Horman)

3 Do people who know that person think he or she is capable of committing a violent act? For example, there have been many instances where a woman has said/written. "If I disappear, he (boyfriend/husband) did it".

4 Has that person offered a story that doesn't seem to add up about the last time they saw the missing person? For example, Josh Powell's suspicious camping trip with young children late on a Sunday night in the middle of winter in Utah.



In this case, there is possible evidence against Mark in all of those categories. However, for the most part it's weak evidence (for #1, LE searching his possessions and the route to Durango could be chalked up as merely routine). As I've posted before, I think the most troubling category is #3, because both exes have expressed their belief that he could be capable of a violent act.

So, I think there are legitimate reasons to question Mark. But I'm still pretty far from believing there is a high probability he hurt Dylan.