CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #22

[Salem]

For those who believe a stranger abduction is possible do you believe that Dylan would have taken his fishing pole along while trying to get to his friends in Bayfield? For me this is what makes this theory somewhat unbelievable. And to me if he was abducted from the front door of his home it's highly unlikely that the abductor would grab Dylans backpack AND fishing pole. (Because if we believe that MR didn't do it then we would have to believe that Dylan and the pole disappeared together)

I could believe that Dylan took his fishing pole. There is so much we do not know here. If Dylan and his friends often went fishing when Dylan lived in Bayfield - then it makes sense that he stuck his pole in his backpack (depending on the type of pole) when he headed out.

I think that if Dylan was abducted from his front porch, it was by someone he knew and trusted, not a stranger.

I think if Dylan was abducted while trying to hitchhike, then it was probably by a stranger or a vague acquaintance.

We have no background here. The assumption that MR never spent time with Dylan when Dylan lived in Bayfield seems out of whack to me, as does the assumption that Dylan did not want to go to his fathers. It makes sense that Dylan was reluctant to go to his dad's, if a family member was ill, but I'm not sure we have that confirmed? Otherwise, I would think that Dylan would be excited to see his friends, if nothing else. And I would think that if it was really, really bad, Dylan would have told the judge that and the judge would not have ordered visitation.

There is a lot more to this story, I fear.

Salem

 

[imamaze]

9News obtained court records dating back to 2005 showing three requests for protection orders.

•On Oct. 7, 2005, Dylan's dad Mark Redwine requested protection against him mom Elaine saying she was "drinking and driving with kids." A judge temporarily ordered her not to drive the kids around or even be with them while under the influence.
•For the next two years, the couple went through divorce proceedings. In 2008, mom, Elaine Redwine, claimed she had a confrontation with her ex-husband Mark in the early hours of July 4. She wrote, "He was very drunk and grabbed me and took a swing at his son." She said Dylan reacted and hit Mark.
•In another protective order request, Mark claims he was victimized later that same day. "I was attacked and beaten then left for hours until I woke up," he wrote. Mark says his older son Cory admitted he was responsible for the beating.

 

[mmmagique]

I feel that people have been unfairly beating ER over the head with that statement. That statement, imo, was never meant to imply that Dylan did not like to play sports or to swim in the lake with his friends. I bet ER was the one cheering in the stands and picking him up from the lake.

That particular statement has to be viewed IN CONTEXT. She was specifically referring to the suggestion made by MR that LE should be dragging the lake because he told them from day one about the missing fishing pole. :what:

ER was saying that her son was not the type of 'outdoorsy' kid that would go off alone on a long hike to fish in a remote place, all by himself, especially when he had good friends waiting to hang out with him.

And I believe those videos support ER's statement. We see Dylan WITH HIS FRIENDS playing outdoors. That is what she was referring to. :moo:

Since I'm so behind, I wanted to push this post forward. I truly believe what you said with all my heart. He obviously loved hanging with his friends, at the lake, at home, whatever...but she was responding to MR's insinuation that Dylan took off by himself, to go to the lake, while his friends were waiting for him.

 

[Tonto]

Not exactly true. Human behavior has been studied for centuries and is fairly predictable.

I study human behavior and it's not as predictable as many tend to think. This is especially true in the rare times of overwhelming stress and anxiety. Like, for example, one's day to day reactions to a child being missing.

 

[vasportsmom]

Is fishing in CO common in late November? It isn't around here but it's cold as heck and most people are off killing Bambi or something of the sort that time of year.

 

[Ransom]

Not exactly true. Human behavior has been studied for centuries and is fairly predictable.

Don't agree. No surprise!! lol.

The only predictable about humans is that we are unpredictable. We can do and will do what we want when we want with no outward indications. Serial killers have been studied and then along comes a new one that beats all. See Isreal Keys with his "kill kits" hidden around the US as he flew to other states to just kill random folks that he never met nor knew. He just liked killing people. Got bored with killing single people and switched to couples cuz it was fun. He broke his own "pattern". Behavior analysis will "say" that SK have a "pattern". Not always true. Some are just off the wall whackadoos that come and go as they please until that one time they mess up and get caught.

JMO

 

[Confusion]

Well, if you are speaking directly to your missing child, and you are thinking he is being held hostage, wouldn't giving him support and advice be a priority.

To tell the truth, if I had a missing child who I believe was being held hostage, I would still be unlikely to willingly speak in front of a camera so it would have to be up to someone else. Because of that, what I might say would be totally irrelevant.

EXACTLY. A very generic, impersonal thing to say to an extended friend or relative, going through a bad time. NOT what an impassioned parent would say directly to his missing child, imo.

I guess that may be where we differ. In my family, I think most members would consider being a young child who was missing and possibly being held hostage (or worse) to be a bad time. We aren't a sweet, outwardly emotional crew. A few might write flowery prayers or poems, but most would just say something as simple as, "Hang in there Kid." or maybe, "This won't last forever, keep a light on and we'll be there as soon as we can." In addition to the generic, impersonal and unimpassioned comment stated above. In spite of that, I don't know of a single member of the family who wouldn't give his/her life for any other member - child or otherwise.

 

[mmmagique]

Okay, so I guess the whole report is a he said she said and the sex on the lawn, the beating by CR, and taking a swing by DR is also he said she said. ty

Erm, I think that would be a "they said, he said."

It seems that there was quite the audience that evening.

 

[Allusonz]

For any of the locals.

Would there of been any area where potentially if Dylan was walking that he could of been hit/bumped by a vehicle passing by with the end result of landing in the water, whether that be to bayfield or to fish?

 

[NC Analyzer]

I study human behavior and it's not as predictable as many tend to think. This is especially true in the rare times of overwhelming stress and anxiety. Like, for example, one's day to day reactions to a child being missing.

Let me explain a bit further. I also study human behavior, but more specifically, I study criminal behavior. It isn't 100%, but the majority of criminals consistently behave in a similar manner in a similar situation the majority of the time. They also have specific "tells" and mannerisms that are easy to spot when they are lying, stressed, anxious. Some folks are better at "reading" another person's behavior tendencies than others. I can spot a lie 99.99% of the time. Just one of my quirks. I can count the few that got away with it on one hand...and they didn't get away with it for long.

 

[StJohn]

I am keeping an open mind as to what happened to Dylan, I really am. However, the actions of LE, not the uncut video of MR, is what has me more inclined to believe that MR may be responsible. While LE has been covering their bases locally, with searches, interviews, etc., I would think if they believed abduction to be a real probability, they would invite every opportunity to speak to a national audience, something they don't seem to be doing. I have to believe they know a lot more than they are saying. JMO

 

[Ransom]

Is fishing in CO common in late November? It isn't around here but it's cold as heck and most people are off killing Bambi or something of the sort that time of year.

Yes. Fish all year round with the proper equipment/access.

Don't want to get into hunting since it was not going on in CO at that time. Already posted the hunting rules/regs for CO.

 

[Allusonz]

They did not speak in the past tense, when asked to speak directly to him.

DH in the Durango Herald interview I believe it was will get the link for you.

ER a few times will get a link for that as well.

ETA Should be this link in the video IIRC for DH. ER is the Nancy Grace transcript that comes to mind

http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121204/NEWS01/121209802/0/20121229

 

[SCHMAE]

My apologies for the length of this, I even removed some of the quotes and it still looks like a dime store novel. :blushing:



I was told that Bourque wasn't a credible witness when I mentioned what she had said on the event page of the official FB page.


I guess some people just don't have their priorities straight and think that it's more important to have a home, food, clothing, etc. when a child com es to visit than it is to make sure their time together is split 50-50. What good does it do to have him visit if you have to quit your job, lose your home, and what not in order to do it?


I know MR has children in a different state, but I'm not touching that one for anything.


I really don't believe the search or anything that happened between 8pm and the following morning will affect the outcome at all. MOO



I think it's quite possible, but not likely in the way many here think it has to be. IMO



I don't think anybody deserves it.



I thought people were posting about it being MR who was hiding him. I'm totally confused once again.


I never thought it was important, and I'm not so sure that he did either. I've seen it repeated about 100 times, or maybe more, but I've only seen him mention it once - and all he said about it was that it was missing and likely (I think) that he had it with him.


I think the scarier morph is around the age of 18, but outsiders seldom notice it. I thought my stepfather was nuts when I was 16 and he told me to stay in school for as long as I could, and then said, "You go to bed one night and you're 18 years old, and you wake up the next morning and you're 40." When I woke up one morning and I was 40, I finally realized what he meant. :what:


I almost never watch the news (I NEVER say never!), but that's partially because I haven't had a television in ages, and have no sound on my computer.



When I was a teenager, a lot of people I knew would hang out at a small river, and one of the big things at the time was jumping in from a rope swing that was hanging from a big tree that leaned out about 10 feet from the shore. One afternoon some friends were swimming there and one guy/boy was along great swimmer and spent most of the summer hanging around there every year. He jumped off the rope and dived in, for probably the 10th time that day. Everybody was amazed at first by how long he was able to hold his breath, until they finally realized that he wasn't coming back up.

Several people jumped in and were diving to try to find him while others drove to town to get help (no cell phones back then). They finally gave up after almost 2 days of searching and finding nothing. The next day, his brother and cousin went there just to more or less say goodbye, and saw his body about 50 feet downstream. After the autopsy, it was said that he had hit a sandbar and broken his neck. The undercurrent had pushed his body downstream, and he had become tangled in some tree roots under water. When conditions changed just a bit, he was released from them and resurfaced. I can swim, but I don't unless I absolutely have to. I'm not really afraid of the water, but I have a healthy respect for it. No matter how peaceful it may look on the surface, you never really know all that may be going on under it. MOO


I never would have made that agreement myself. My boys would have been told that I'd take them when I got home the next day, but they'd better be ready to go once I get there.




I don't remember him being asked to give him advice on what to do, just what he'd like to say to him.


It's the kind of thing most of my family, immediate and extended, would say to a friend or relative who was going through a difficult time. MOO

Gold Star for Confusion for multiple quote WINS !

 

[LotusPawprint]

When you read the letter ER wrote to Dylan on FB just days after Dylan went missing, which was directed entirely to Dylan, you see where the refrain DH/KH now uses "Don't EVER give up on us, we won't EVER give up on you!"

DH writes messages to Dylan almost everyday, many have conversations she had with ER, messages ER passes onto Dylan, and of course notes ER writes to Dylan on the FB page.

Even though ER has expressed the sickening possibility that the worst may have happened, she takes opportunities to "talk to him". In videos you can see her falling apart when she talks about him, but it seems like in her mind if there's the slightest chance Dylan is hearing/reading her, he NEEDS to hear his "mutti".

This is clearly a mother who's entire world is ripped apart.

Not that this really matters, but I'm still open to scenarios other than MR (though my suspicions are strong for the time being) .... however the attacks on this mom are baffling and painful, IMO. Hence I have to step away more these days.

 

[scorekeeper]

:floorlaugh:

I just want to thank you all for not drawing attention to my mistake

You are all making me feel so loved right now


* my cheeks are actually burning from blushing so much now * :blushing:

I have never laughed so hard in my life!! I loved your post - all I could see was "ladies of the night" lined up on the shore!!

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

I don't mean to pick on you but that has to be the POST OF THE YEAR!! :great:

I know this will fall probably 3 pages after your post but oh, well.

Love you!!

 

[StJohn]

Is fishing in CO common in late November? It isn't around here but it's cold as heck and most people are off killing Bambi or something of the sort that time of year.

BBM: Or killing each other - here in NC I have read about three hunting related shooting deaths this year. Just that I know of.

 

[Ransom]

Erm, I think that would be a "they said, he said."

It seems that there was quite the audience that evening.

THAT case was investigated from July 2008 until Dec. 2008 and was dismissed.


http://www.durangoherald.com/apps/p...lice-reveal-no-new-leads&template=printpicart

Mark Redwine filed a restraining order against his son, Cory, and Elaine Redwine in July 2008. Elaine Redwine filed a restraining order against her ex-husband on the same date. Dylan was listed as a protected person in both orders. Both of the orders were dismissed in December 2008.

 

[katydid23]

Based on this then that means ER and DH as well believe he is no longer alive as they have both spoke in the past tense regarding Dylan.

It is not simply MR that has.

Yes, agreed. Elaine has already said as much. But ER and CR were not the last ones seen with Dylan. So they think he might be dead, but because of the last one who was with him.

 

[imamaze]

When you read the letter ER wrote to Dylan on FB just days after Dylan went missing, which was directed entirely to Dylan, you see where the refrain DH/KH now uses "Don't EVER give up on us, we won't EVER give up on you!"

DH writes messages to Dylan almost everyday, many have conversations she had with ER, messages ER passes onto Dylan, and of course notes ER writes to Dylan on the FB page.

Even though ER has expressed the sickening possibility that the worst may have happened, she takes opportunities to "talk to him". In videos you can see her falling apart when she talks about him, but it seems like in her mind if there's the slightest chance Dylan is hearing/reading her, he NEEDS to hear his "mutti".

This is clearly a mother who's entire world is ripped apart.

Not that this really matters, but I'm still open to scenarios other than MR (though my suspicions are strong for the time being) .... however the attacks on this mom are baffling and painful, IMO. Hence I have to step away more these days.

BBM...

Not just directed at you

If someone feels ER is being attacked (this doesn't mean discussing what is known in the media and thru LE) please alert. A Mod will check into it and remove if necessary.

Thanks everyone.

Ima