CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #23

[DylansMom34]

I don't have any new points or thoughts on what happened. I just don't want Dylan to slip down the list. I want so much for Dylan to be found. He is in my heart so much.

 

[cluciano63]

I don't have any new points or thoughts on what happened. I just don't want Dylan to slip down the list. I want so much for Dylan to be found. He is in my heart so much.

I always feel bad bringing a case back to the top, as it bumps another one to the next page. It is never easy when they start to seem cold.

 

[Chili Fries]

The problem is that they would have to be checking for pings before Dylan was missing (or at least reported missing).

ETA: They could find out where the phone was when the texts were sent and received, but not while it wasn't in use.

As long as the phone is on and pinging, information can be retrieved. It happens often in these cases. A perfect example is Brittanee Drexel's cell phone, which sent out a single ping (not related to a call or text) 30+ miles south of where she was last seen and which was retrieved after she was reported missing.

Now, a question in this case is...for how long is the ping data stored and was LE able to get MR's ping data (which they needed a search warrant to get) before it was overwritten.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I always feel bad bringing a case back to the top, as it bumps another one to the next page. It is never easy when they start to seem cold.

I'm not a big fan of "bumping" cases because it seems like the only cases that get "bumped" are the ones that everyone on WS knows about. When there are more posts bumping Isabel's case than there are posts for an entire case, that seems problematic. Just because a case goes to Page 2 or is on the bottom of Page 1 doesn't mean everyone has forgotten it. WS is an active forum with many active cases which means that just a few hours without posts means a case is on Page 2.

 

[cluciano63]

I'm not a big fan of "bumping" cases because it seems like the only cases that get "bumped" are the ones that everyone on WS knows about. When there are more posts bumping Isabel's case than there are posts for an entire case, that seems problematic. Just because a case goes to Page 2 or is on the bottom of Page 1 doesn't mean everyone has forgotten it. WS is an active forum with many active cases which means that just a few hours without posts means a case is on Page 2.

I agree...i just don't like to "bump" for the sake of it. And it is easy enough to find a case with a search anyway.

But on that note, i do hope something comes up soon to keep Dylan naturally in the most active threads.

 

[Confusion]

As long as the phone is on and pinging, information can be retrieved. It happens often in these cases. A perfect example is Brittanee Drexel's cell phone, which sent out a single ping (not related to a call or text) 30+ miles south of where she was last seen and which was retrieved after she was reported missing.

Now, a question in this case is...for how long is the ping data stored and was LE able to get MR's ping data (which they needed a search warrant to get) before it was overwritten.

GPS tracking aids investigators in Drexel case

Dylan's phone does not have GPS.

http://www.wmbfnews.com/story/12298443/gps-tracking-aids-investigators-in-drexel-case

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I agree...i just don't like to "bump" for the sake of it. And it is easy enough to find a case with a search anyway.

But on that note, i do hope something comes up soon to keep Dylan naturally in the most active threads.

For a case that has barely received any media, especially after the first week or two, and barely any information released, nor many interviews by the parents...We have managed to have a pretty active discussion for over two months. I'm not sure how much longer it can go on for though, if we don't get anything new.

 

[TxLady2]

I am not looking at what is 'preferable,' I am looking at what I think is most 'probable.' It is quite possible that a random abduction took place, and that Dylan went outside that morning with all of his things and the first and only person he ran into was a kidnapper/killer. But I don't think that is the most probable scenario. JMO

Maybe that was the wrong choice of words, IDK.

Let's just consider for a minute how much force it would take to hit a 13 y.o. hard enough to kill them with one or maybe two blows, shall we? Unless he's been trained as a mercenary or was in special forces or something, it would have to be multiple blows, IMO. Say they were driving down the road, and he becomes angry at Dylan for something and backhands him. He can't continue hitting him unless he stops the truck. What on earth could make a father SO angry that he would continue hitting him? And in the meantime, between the first blow and all that follow, would Dylan just sit there and take it? Would he just cower in the corner and keep on letting him hit him, and not try to fight back? Or better yet, get up and run off? I'm pretty sure he could outrun his dad and most kids would take a chance on breaking an arm or a leg jumping out the door rather than being beat to death, don't you think?

I know there are kids who are taken to ER's and end up dying because some crazy boyfriend or stepdad punched them too many times or kicked them or shook them too hard. But these are babies and toddlers, usually, not 13 y.o. boys. I guess what I'm trying to say is, I find it very hard to believe that a father would let his rage get so out of control, that he would beat him literally to death without realizing what he's doing until it's too late.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

Maybe that was the wrong choice of words, IDK.

Let's just consider for a minute how much force it would take to hit a 13 y.o. hard enough to kill them with one or maybe two blows, shall we? Unless he's been trained as a mercenary or was in special forces or something, it would have to be multiple blows, IMO. Say they were driving down the road, and he becomes angry at Dylan for something and backhands him. He can't continue hitting him unless he stops the truck. What on earth could make a father SO angry that he would continue hitting him? And in the meantime, between the first blow and all that follow, would Dylan just sit there and take it? Would he just cower in the corner and keep on letting him hit him, and not try to fight back? Or better yet, get up and run off? I'm pretty sure he could outrun his dad and most kids would take a chance on breaking an arm or a leg jumping out the door rather than being beat to death, don't you think?

I know there are kids who are taken to ER's and end up dying because some crazy boyfriend or stepdad punched them too many times or kicked them or shook them too hard. But these are babies and toddlers, usually, not 13 y.o. boys. I guess what I'm trying to say is, I find it very hard to believe that a father would let his rage get so out of control, that he would beat him literally to death without realizing what he's doing until it's too late.

one punch can kill a fully grown man.

 

[DylansMom34]

So if his dad didn't hurt and dispose of him where is he????

 

[PaulR]

one punch can kill a fully grown man.

Maybe a lucky punch in exactly the right place.

If a punch could kill a kid, I'd be dead.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

Maybe a lucky punch in exactly the right place.

If a punch could kill a kid, I'd be dead.

Theres been a spate of these sort of deaths in recent years here in Aus so it's not someting I'm willing to discount as a possibility

 

[Ransom]

Ransom, you mentioned that while on the search for Dylan you almost fell over the edge of a cliff or precipice while looking up into the trees. Do you think Dylan could have suffered a fall or an accident. Was the terrain condusive to this? ty

Where I was looking (with a CBI guy) yes it could have. We were "off terrain" ... their word not mine. NOT all the search on Dec. 8th was on Florida Road or by Vallecito Lake area. My group was not the only one to go "off terrain".

My group found nothing but the CBI guy said it needed to be cleared.

For everyone's info: Rugged country. Most of the area is in a Nat'l forrest (almost 1.9 million acres of public land). Some of the area has roads to and from towns/cities, etc. BUT ... to get to isolated areas you do take a road and then it just ends.

"The San Juan National Forest is a U.S. National Forest covering over 1,878,846 acres in Archuleta, Conjeos, Dolores, Hinsdale, La Plata, Mineral, Montezuma, Rio Grande, San Miguel and San Juan Counties in western Colorado."

More about the protected (public) land: http://www.blm.gov/co/st/en/BLM_Information/faqs/access.html


In this map (attached) everything GREEN is a Nat'l protected area.

[ame="http://maps.google.com/maps?q=San+Juan+National+Forest&ll=38.143198,-107.764893&spn=2.6222,5.383301&client=safari&oe=UTF-8&fb=1&gl=us&hq=San+Juan+National+Forest&cid=0,0,9532177690466772988&t=m&z=8"]Google Maps[/ame]

 

[mmmagique]

Dylan's phone does not have GPS.

http://www.wmbfnews.com/story/12298443/gps-tracking-aids-investigators-in-drexel-case

But MR's may have...

 

[TxLady2]

It has gotten depressing watching the days tick past with no news about Dylan. I used to never believe in the "perfect crime" until I saw many cases with clear suspects go unprosecuted due to lack of sufficient evidence. It was an ugly moment to realize people get away with murder even when it appeared "obvious" who the culprit was.

In Dylan's case, it's frustrating since we simply don't have access to any "insider" information. I realize we're "sleuthers" and we work to uncover new details and examine different theories. As top notch as many of the sleuthers are here, if we aren't privvy to what the cops know -- we continue to operate with one arm tied behind our backs as we attempt to connect the dots...ugh.


Anywho -- for the sake of keeping a dialogue about Dylan going ---- I decided to google different terms like "protective order" and abuse and things of that nature. I know I am digressing here, and yes going on a tangent not related to Dylan's case. But, I found this group I never heard of called
"Protective Parent Group" -- Bethany Decker came to mind actually, and I wondered if she might have enlisted such a group's help to escape potential abuse from her unborn baby's father.

But back to Dylan -- does anyone know how much or what kind of evidence it would take for police to at least formally refer to MR as a "person of interest?"

Oh, he could be named a POI now, if they wanted to take it that far, since he was the last known person to see Dylan. Some LE will do that, some won't, it depends on a lot of things. They did state that they do not comment on investigations until they are resolved, and this seems to be how many of them work these days. Maybe because some high-profile cases have been tried in the media and the media is not always LE's friend.

If there was nothing in the house or the trucks that indicated foul play of any kind, I don't see how they would be able to get an arrest warrant, because right now they don't know if Dylan is alive or dead. I think they're going to have to find his body before they can do much of anything.

 

[Confusion]

But MR's may have...

I haven't seen anything stating that he does. I prefer to avoid speculating on things like that.

 

[Ransom]

In this case, just determining which tower a phone pings off could be very important (say if MR was miles away from where he said he was at a certain time Sunday night).

Also, some towers have directional antennae. That provides a better idea of location without needing 3 towers for triangulation, so all of this can depend on the type of tower involved. Ping data retrieved after the fact has been prominently used in many cases. I remember following one case here where the ping data reportedly had to be retrieved from the tower itself (seemed strange to me, but maybe there are electronics that can't be accessed remotely).

Glad you brought up antennae(s). Just did that last afternoon per a query I did with a local ATT cell company provider. lol.

Okay. Everyone this site searches for towers in a 4 mile radius and also searches for antennae(s). MR address is 2343 CR 500, Vallecito, CO .... SEARCH for your own selves.

NO cell tower within 4 miles were detected. NOW look at the antenna locations (have to download that info and it loads as a spread sheet <or it did for me>). THEN you have to read and then search where those antenna(s) are located that the site included. GO........ lol. Job for tonight for those who choose to take up the challenge.

http://www.antennasearch.com/

 

[TxLady2]

one punch can kill a fully grown man.

Only if they were trained to know exactly where to hit, in combat situations. Or a lucky punch. I don't think a father would have a reason for aiming to kill his son with one punch.

IMO, this has gone a little bit over the top now, so I'm out of here for awhile.

 

[Confusion]

Glad you brought up antennae(s). Just did that last afternoon per a query I did with a local ATT cell company provider. lol.

Okay. Everyone this site searches for towers in a 4 mile radius and also searches for antennae(s). MR address is 2243 CR 500, Vallecito, CO .... SEARCH for your own selves.

NO cell tower within 4 miles were detected. NOW look at the antenna locations (have to download that info and it loads as a spread sheet <or it did for me>). THEN you have to read and then search where those antenna(s) are located that the site included. GO........ lol. Job for tonight for those who choose to take up the challenge.

http://www.antennasearch.com/

I thought his place was north of the reserve, am I confused again? :waitasec:

 

[SCHMAE]

Hey all, I was watching a little Discovery ID last night.
There was a case where a suspect failed a poly and
then some weeks later got an inconclusive on a poly.
When administering a 3rd poly by a more seasoned
examiner they discovered the suspect had a ' heart
murmur' and the examiner said that he would ALWAYS
fail or get inconclusive results due to this murmur.
The guy ended up being innocent and it was another
fellow altogether.
Anyway, I , of course, thought of this case and
wanted to share that .