CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #23

[katydid23]

I know most people in this thread are female, so speaking as a male...

It takes me about two minutes or so to put on my clothes. That's not "lounging around the house" clothes, that's "I'm going to work" clothes and I dress business casual. I'm no morning person either.

I'll shave the night before if I have to get up really early. I might even shower the night before if I know time will be really tight. I've never, ever dressed the night before and slept in those clothes.

A lot of 13 yr old boys wear very similar clothes to bed that they wear to school. My DS wore shorts, t-shirts, and hoodies to bed AND school. LOL

This is Southern California, so maybe things are more casual.

 

[vasportsmom]

I love how many of us are owning up to being "horrible moms". Makes me feel like we are all probably just perfectly normal moms surviving kids the best way we know how.

 

[Tennlyn]

I must be a horrible mom, but I will admit that my oldest kid used to do the same thing. He would shower and put on his nylon basketball shorts and his clean socks, t-shirt and jump into bed. The next morning all he had to do was roll out and eat his pnt butter toast, put on his hoodie, slip on his Vann's, brush his teeth, and GO.

There was one year where my son had to leave before 7 am to catch the school bus. Whatever he had to do that year to get, he did!

 

[Monroe12]

As the mother of two boys, 12 & 17, I pick my battles. Clothes isn't a battle I fight. Shower yes, wrinkled clothes? No. If it took letting either of my kids dress the night before to make mornings more tolerable then I'd shake my head and roll my eyes but I wouldn't fight about it with them. They're boys. If wrinkled clothes work for them then so be it.

One of my heavy sleepers is a 6'3" 225 llb. Freshman tackle. Believe me I know about picking battles, 10 years of therapy taught me to pick my battles well indeed. I stand by my comment....never knew any child that was put to bed in tomorrows clothing. Whatever.

 

[PaulR]

A lot of 13 yr old boys wear very similar clothes to bed that they wear to school. My DS wore shorts, t-shirts, and hoodies to bed AND school. LOL

Same ones though? I'd hope some got the laundry treatment once in a while

 

[The Cheese]

Since nobody can offer anyone saying that Dylan's phone was shut off at 8pm, I'm going to take that as a Websleuths rumor.

I'm also taking the facebook rumor in the facebook timeline that the phone was shut off Sunday night as, well, a rumor.

In my searching for something from the police, I was able to find them saying, on November 26, that Dylan's phone had been shut off "for several days". This was 7 days after he went missing - the following Monday that they said this.

Very unfortunately, they also said that they had been unable to track his phone.

This is national public radio in CO -

The La Plata County Sheriff’s Department says the boy’s cell phone has been turned off for several days, and they can’t track it down.

and here's a police quote for the quote document -

Spokesman Dan Bender:

“We’re doing all we can on a local, regional, and national level to put in front of a public eyes pictures of Dylan and letting the public know that he is still missing, we are still looking, and we need help.”

KRCC November 26 - http://radiocoloradocollege.org/2012/11/searchers-still-seek-clues-to-missing-colorado-springs-boy/

 

[Confusion]

I'm going to post my thoughts on why the phone wasn't used after the last text to R. If you like the idea, that's great; if you hate the idea, that's great too. I'm not going to defend it or argue about how feasible it is.

Looking at the record of DR's texts to R, there seems to be quite a gap in the times. That tells me that both boys were probably somewhat distracted, and just sending a message when they saw fit. If DR and MR were discussing what was supposed to happen the next morning, what they'd do for Thanksgiving, etc., he may not have gotten around to responding to the last message in the 8:00 group. If he got home sometime between 8:00 and 9:00, after being up most of the night, having a rather busy day, and spending an hour or more listening to dad talk, he could have easily been sleeping by 9:27 or whatever the time was of the next text.

I didn't think it was so strange that he didn't respond, and R must not have either if he didn't send another one until the next morning. I know a lot of people have told me that one of the best things about using texts rather than voice is that you can just ignore it until you feel like responding. One of the worst things is that you sometimes forget to respond to something you maybe should have. If he was tired enough to fall asleep very quickly, he probably didn't take the time to dig out the charger, plug it in and start charging the phone. In an area with such lousy coverage there, I have no doubt that the phone would be totally dead by morning.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I know most people in this thread are female, so speaking as a male...

It takes me about two minutes or so to put on my clothes. That's not "lounging around the house" clothes, that's "I'm going to work" clothes and I dress business casual. I'm no morning person either.

I'll shave the night before if I have to get up really early. I might even shower the night before if I know time will be really tight. I've never, ever dressed the night before and slept in those clothes.

As a man I agree with you about shaving at night so you don't have to mess with it in the morning. I have never dressed myself the night before going to school or work. I do remember being a teenager who liked to sleep in on non school days. MOO.

 

[StacyMarie83]

Here's the quote from Elaine about how much Dylan disliked getting up in the mornings:

REDWINE: Dylan was one of those kids that would take a shower and get dressed the night before and wake up the next morning and go to school already ready, because he did not like mornings. You know. But he was always good about getting up for school.

I used to do it all the time. It was a phase when I was in 7th grade or so and didn't last forever, but yeah...my mom just eventually said "whatever".....that was a battle she didn't really care to fight. As an adult, I would do the same thing if I didn't care about the wrinkles, have to do my make-up, etc.....i absolutely despise the morning! In high school my mom poured water on me, put a doorbell in my room, and many other extremes because I would sleep through 3 alarms. It's ridiculous really lol

 

[katydid23]

That was a direct quote from his mother, but I personally don't know any mother who would allow a child to go to school in the same clothes he had just slept in. To each his own, I guess. MOO

WEll, NOW you do. :wink: :wave:



Amazingly enough, my son's clothes looked just fine the next morning. He usually wore nylon basketball shorts and jerseys or khaki shorts, and cotton tees. NONE of them ever wrinkled at night. He was clean and fresh and ready to go. And I was thrilled with his morning routine, compared to my DD's.

My DD used to jump out of bed and try on a dozen outfits, leAving them strewn about her room, like casualties. And she took an extra 45 minutes to decide what to wear. So she was usually late unless I drove her. So I thought my DS was a genius and appreciated his morning routine. LOL

 

[vasportsmom]

One of my heavy sleepers is a 6'3" 225 llb. Freshman tackle. Believe me I know about picking battles, 10 years of therapy taught me to pick my battles well indeed. I stand by my comment....never knew any child that was put to bed in tomorrows clothing. Whatever.

I think it just depends on the kid. My oldest would rather die than walk out of the house looking like he hasn't just left a J Crew photo shoot. My baby would rather do anything than match.

 

[PaulR]

As a man I agree with you about shaving at night so you don't have to mess with it in the morning. I have never dressed myself the night before going to school or work. I do remember being a teenager who liked to sleep in on non school days. MOO.

Heck, I'm an adult who likes to sleep in on weekends.

The only time I've slept in 'street clothes' is if I'm camping and it's so cold that I need to wear something to bed. But - those are yesterday's clothes.

 

[The Cheese]

I'm sorry but my quote was also by Elaine, from the same interview, in which she specifically said that Dylan would have gotten up for his friends.

REDWINE: No, and I appreciate that. You know, Dylan was always good. He always had to wake up for school early. So irrespective of what time he went to bed, you know, he was really good about waking up. So if he had plans at 6:30 to meet with his friends, you know, it`s uncharacteristic of him not to be up and ready. So, you know, I just -- I know him. And I know him very well. And I think that, you know, he definitely would have been up and ready at 6:30, 7:30, whenever in the morning.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../03/ng.01.html

BBM

Yes, Elaine said 2 different things as she's done several times about different things, and I guess we each have our own way of resolving conflicts in what people say. IMO

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree and move on in how we see what Elaine says about Dylan and the mornings.

 

[katydid23]

Same ones though? I'd hope some got the laundry treatment once in a while

He had clean clothes to put on his freshly showered body. Then he got into his clean sheets and went to sleep. Next morning, all ready to roll.

He only did that for a month or two. When he started liking girls, he became a little more careful with his appearance. :smile:

 

[PaulR]

Since nobody can offer anyone saying that Dylan's phone was shut off at 8pm, I'm going to take that as a Websleuths rumor.

And I'm not even sure why people think it was 'shut off.' I talked a few times about how there's no way for the cell company to know whether the phone was actually turned off, versus the battery dying/phone dying/etc. The protocol doesn't seem to define any message to indicate that the phone is being turned off.

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_data_communication_protocol"]Cellular data communication protocol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

 

[Confusion]

WEll, NOW you do. :wink: :wave:

Amazingly enough, my son's clothes looked just fine the next morning. He usually wore nylon basketball shorts and jerseys or khaki shorts, and cotton tees. NONE of them ever wrinkled at night. He was clean and fresh and ready to go. And I was thrilled with his morning routine, compared to my DD's.

My DD used to jump out of bed and try on a dozen outfits, leAving them strewn about her room, like casualties. And she took an extra 45 minutes to decide what to wear. So she was usually late unless I drove her. So I thought my DS was a genius and appreciated his morning routine. LOL

My older son wouldn't even take out the trash without having a shower and fresh clothes, and with every hair in place - you never know who might go by while you're out there! Then again, while his peers were going to school in torn jeans, t-shirts or sweatshirts and sneakers, he insisted on button down shirts, dress pants and wing tipped shoes. He was practicing for when he became successful in life!

My younger one would never sleep in his clothes for a couple of reasons. One, it was too hot and he'd never be able to sleep. The other, he liked to try waiting to get dressed until it would be too late to catch the bus. He started getting a bit better when I told him one morning that if he wasn't dressed when the bus got there, I'd drag him out there in his underwear if that's all he had on. He didn't want to find out if I'd actually do it!

 

[TxJan1971]

Since nobody can offer anyone saying that Dylan's phone was shut off at 8pm, I'm going to take that as a Websleuths rumor.

I'm also taking the facebook rumor in the facebook timeline that the phone was shut off Sunday night as, well, a rumor.

In my searching for something from the police, I was able to find them saying, on November 26, that Dylan's phone had been shut off "for several days". This was 7 days after he went missing - the following Monday that they said this.

Very unfortunately, they also said that they had been unable to track his phone.

This is national public radio in CO -

The La Plata County Sheriff’s Department says the boy’s cell phone has been turned off for several days, and they can’t track it down.

and here's a police quote for the quote document -

Spokesman Dan Bender:

“We’re doing all we can on a local, regional, and national level to put in front of a public eyes pictures of Dylan and letting the public know that he is still missing, we are still looking, and we need help.”

KRCC November 26 - http://radiocoloradocollege.org/2012/11/searchers-still-seek-clues-to-missing-colorado-springs-boy/

I didn't have the above. Thank you so much for sharing. There is "new" information here. I just wish Dan Bender would have spoken the words, "his cell phone has been turned off for several days and we can't track it down" instead of a reporter saying it. It's still good information. I just don't think it would be accurate to use it as a "direct quote" from LE.

I do, however, think it is very important and will certainly add it to the "TIMELINE" that I am also updating which includes ALL information "reported" in MSM about the phone.

The new information you provided about the phone being off for several days and the mention that Dylan may have been hitchiking back home is something I hadn't heard before. Again, thanks for sharing.

 

[Flutterflies]

I have got to chime in on a point that is so ridiculous I cant believe it: ok I raised 4 kids. You all have raised many as well.
I don't care how hard a kid deals with mornings, will any of you tell me who puts their kids to bed in fresh street clothes!??? I am sorry but I have never heard of any mom I know even the most spoiling and accomodating moms, who puts their kids to bed in street clothes. From the poorest to the richest no kid goes to bed in street clothes. Shower? Bath? Of course. Socks pants school shirt? Cant even think how a child could b comfy enuf to sleep like that. Ugh! Not buying it. Sorry with all due respect I cant imagine any mother putting her child to bed with tomorrows street clothes on. Sorry that speaks more to a PARENTS inability to deal with mornings than a child. And 2 of my 4 were heavy sleepers, bad morning grumps. Who the hell is running this show? Ok let the arrows fly. Just FWIW....IMOz it has do little relevance as to b ridiculous....but since this has been stated about a half dozen times I couldn't handle it any more.

I know of one parent who did let her young daughter do this. The other children that I know who do this are older children who are past the point of the parent "putting them to bed". I only put my children to bed when they were very young. At some point in each child's life, they want more independence and to make decisions themselves.

I have seen this in my own home, but I do not send my kids to bed in tomorrows clothes, it is a choice they make and I respect their choice and do not choose to make a big deal out of it.

Now, what really bothers me is flip flops and shorts in the winter. My son does that. One of my girls will not wear socks. These are minor issues in the overall scheme of things. :great:

 

[Darcyline]

My skin is crawling a bit right now with the discussion. Being in bed with actual clothing on icks me out for some reason. That being said, most people I know have slept in regular clothing or even done the dress the night before thing especially as teenagers or college students. I don't think it makes someone a bad mother to allow it. I am sure there are more important issues to battle over.
JEANS in bed really get me. My boyfriend tried to crawl into my bed one time with jeans on and we almost had to break up

 

[katydid23]

One of my heavy sleepers is a 6'3" 225 llb. Freshman tackle. Believe me I know about picking battles, 10 years of therapy taught me to pick my battles well indeed. I stand by my comment....never knew any child that was put to bed in tomorrows clothing. Whatever.

When my son was 13 I didn't really put him to bed. He was on his own after he went upstairs to get ready for bed and what not.

He had a problem with missing the bus and my DH said that he better get it together, because he wasn't going to keep dropping him off when he missed it anymore. So that was one of his time saving ideas and it worked. :wink: