CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #23

[SCHMAE]

I wanted to update some information I posted a few days ago regarding what police and reporters have said about Dylan running away because I found a new quote from police.

"Investigators are no longer looking at the possibility of Dylan being a runaway," he said in the release, "but we still view this as a search and not a recovery effort."
November 28 updated November 29 - Dan Bender
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22083134#ixzz2H6ad5Z4C

"We've been doing a potential criminal investigation, looking at abduction, kidnapping or foul play. We haven't closed out the possibility he has run away and we're still going door to door. We have an absence of clues. It's a mystery, that's what makes it so frustrating," he said.
November 29th Dan Bender
http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=17837843&sid=81

It appears that Bender's first statement gave the media the impression that the run away theory had been "ruled out", and so he corrected it the next day, but the media was on a runaway (pun intended) train.

It seems to me that there are indications it's NOT a runaway case but until they find Dylan, they can't rule it out. But it's the least likely scenario ......imho

 

[Eileen730]

Something happend to Dylan when something happend to that phone!
JMO

 

[FlyerFan28]

There was a recent documentary entitled " One Punch Homicide."

[onepunchhomicide.com]


from their website:
" ...then the U.S. has between 500 and 1,000 one punch homicides every year. Although this isn't a huge number, it has other implications. Most single punches don't result in a death, but for every death by one punch, how many other people experience serious injuries, including brain damage, because of one punch - 10, 20, 50, 100, or more?"

So, 1000 people a year are killed in the U.S. with just one punch.

A friend of mine was killed this past summer this way.
It was accidental - drunk friends fighting. His nose started bleeding and lost consciousness and died within an hour.

 

[FlyerFan28]

Q for the locals - what is this? It's up "Middle Mountain Road" from Vallecito:

http://binged.it/Uv2rav

Looks like a dirt bike park.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

Q for the locals - what is this? It's up "Middle Mountain Road" from Vallecito:

http://binged.it/Uv2rav

could it be the unregistered tower that was mentioned in previous comments?

scrap that, I think its an antenna tower. the link below is worth a look at


http://www.city-data.com/towers/cell-Bayfield-Colorado.html

 

[aust amateur slueth]

A friend of mine was killed this past summer this way.
It was accidental - drunk friends fighting. His nose started bleeding and lost consciousness and died within an hour.

so sorry for your loss FlyerFan.

 

[Tennlyn]

I see on the FMDR FB page they are organizing a benefit dinner/silent auction in Monument, CO, later this month (Jan 17th).
https://www.facebook.com/events/455545424493656/?ref=22&suggestsessionid=01357399393

 

[asyousay]

I see on the FMDR FB page they are organizing a benefit dinner/silent auction in Monument, CO, later this month (Jan 17th).
https://www.facebook.com/events/455545424493656/?ref=22&suggestsessionid=01357399393

I think it is amazing how much they have raised but i do not see money as a motivating factor in this crime so i dont think cash is going to help solve this crime .

IMHO

 

[passionflower]

Well...last seen in bed, allegedly.

this seems to be the same story we hear from many 'missing' children.........
Sadly! It's becoming an epidemic........JMOO

 

[mck16]

I think it is amazing how much they have raised but i do not see money as a motivating factor in this crime so i dont think cash is going to help solve this crime .

IMHO

I agree, but in none of the cases I have followed money has not been a motivator to anyone coming forward. Not sure what that means. Is there no one who knows anything or if there is are they just afraid to come forward. jmo

 

[Veidt]

Maybe that was the wrong choice of words, IDK.

Let's just consider for a minute how much force it would take to hit a 13 y.o. hard enough to kill them with one or maybe two blows, shall we? Unless he's been trained as a mercenary or was in special forces or something, it would have to be multiple blows, IMO. Say they were driving down the road, and he becomes angry at Dylan for something and backhands him. He can't continue hitting him unless he stops the truck. What on earth could make a father SO angry that he would continue hitting him? And in the meantime, between the first blow and all that follow, would Dylan just sit there and take it? Would he just cower in the corner and keep on letting him hit him, and not try to fight back? Or better yet, get up and run off? I'm pretty sure he could outrun his dad and most kids would take a chance on breaking an arm or a leg jumping out the door rather than being beat to death, don't you think?

I know there are kids who are taken to ER's and end up dying because some crazy boyfriend or stepdad punched them too many times or kicked them or shook them too hard. But these are babies and toddlers, usually, not 13 y.o. boys. I guess what I'm trying to say is, I find it very hard to believe that a father would let his rage get so out of control, that he would beat him literally to death without realizing what he's doing until it's too late.

I'm not up to date on the specifics of this case so I'm not saying anything about whether I think this was what happened because I'm not sure if it's even plausible in Dylan's case.

However, speaking generally, I highly disagree with the assumptions in this post. A single, well-placed blow can kill. This could happen accidentally if the person delivering the blow puts too much strength into it and ends up hitting a spot that may be lethal. A boy in his early teens is not an adult male either.

That's not what I disagree with most though since as I said it would take a specific combination of factors. What I disagree with is the idea that a teenager or older child could be severely hurt from being beaten by a parent. I know a couple of cases personally and it's very difficult. Running away can be a non-option if they're just stunned that it's happening at all or cornered. The people I know have explained to me that fighting back would only make things escalate not deter their adult abusers. The people I'm talking about were roughly in that age range and sometimes slightly older. Heck, there are lots of cases of domestic violence where the people involved are adults and these things hold true, being unable to fight back or run away or afraid of the consequences of even trying.

Not every case of child abuse goes reported either. I can't say what age range is admitted to hospitals and reported as having suffered physical abuse but if it's toddlers and younger children as you say, this could be because for people in an abusive household (including a parent that may be abused as well) an injured toddler or young child is frailer so they might decide that medical care and reporting the abuser need to happen NOW. An older child or teen may not be seen the same way. For entirely unscientific evidence, the people I mentioned before in this very post were expected by other family members to just deal with it and say nothing because everyone was too afraid of the abusers and it didn't seem urgent.

Sorry to go off at a tangent when I'm not even referring to this case, but hopefully this will remind people that abuse situations can have a hold on people of all ages. The factors are different since a baby or toddler cannot seek help at all without help but for many older people it's not an option either.

 

[ThePhantom]

I agree about reward money not being a big factor in solving many of these cases. For example, in spite of a large reward, we still don't know who killed Morgan Harrington -- and all of us could cite numerous examples I'm sure.

Which begs the question -- if money is not an incentive in solving a case, what does this mean? Either the perpetrator acted alone perhaps, and/or no one saw anything.

In the case of Laci Peterson, the reward went up to $100K I think -- and it appears that Scott Peterson was able to murder and dispose of her body without anyone seeing him do it. What about Stacy Peterson -- did Drew Peterson possibly manage hiding her on his own? There's a $100K reward in that case too.

 

[cluciano63]

I think most perps act alone and do not have witnesses, thus no rewards claimed. But i also believe that many of the missing child cases where there may be rewards have answers close to home.

 

[LotusPawprint]

I wanted to update some information I posted a few days ago regarding what police and reporters have said about Dylan running away because I found a new quote from police.

"Investigators are no longer looking at the possibility of Dylan being a runaway," he said in the release, "but we still view this as a search and not a recovery effort."
November 28 updated November 29 - Dan Bender
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22083134#ixzz2H6ad5Z4C

"We've been doing a potential criminal investigation, looking at abduction, kidnapping or foul play. We haven't closed out the possibility he has run away and we're still going door to door. We have an absence of clues. It's a mystery, that's what makes it so frustrating," he said.
November 29th Dan Bender
http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=17837843&sid=81

It appears that Bender's first statement gave the media the impression that the run away theory had been "ruled out", and so he corrected it the next day, but the media was on a runaway (pun intended) train.

Just to add more information about the runaway theory, here are some other comments both from December 8th - so a week after the quotes above (perhaps LE had ruled out and settled on a theory at this point). Both on the day of the search.



When Dylan was first reported missing, authorities thought “he may have walked or run away,” Phippen said. But after a few days, it was clear something was very wrong, and the investigation became more intense. [...] “We hear about these types of situations” across the country, but don’t expect it here,” Phippen said.

http://durangoherald.com/article/20121208/NEWS01/121209618/Volunteers-search-for-Dylan--



For the tight-knit town that now has posters up everywhere, the thought of an abduction was completely unexpected, yet, investigators told Action 7 News that's exactly what they think happened.

Lieutenant Ed Phippen of the La Plata County Sheriff's Office said it is now a criminal investigation with the belief that whatever happened was out of Dylan's control or ability to get out.


http://www.koat.com/news/new-mexico...ine/-/9153762/17707274/-/pj5977z/-/index.html

 

[PaulR]

Which begs the question -- if money is not an incentive in solving a case, what does this mean? Either the perpetrator acted alone perhaps, and/or no one saw anything.

Multiple perps could be involved. If one of them stepped forward, I'm not sure they'd get the reward money (since they were an active participant) and they'd still go to prison.

I think this is unlikely but we've seen cases where two people actively engage in kidnapping children - look at the Elizabeth Smart case, or Homolka/Bernardo for two active serial killers of children.

 

[mck16]

I agree about reward money not being a big factor in solving many of these cases. For example, in spite of a large reward, we still don't know who killed Morgan Harrington -- and all of us could cite numerous examples I'm sure.

Which begs the question -- if money is not an incentive in solving a case, what does this mean? Either the perpetrator acted alone perhaps, and/or no one saw anything.

In the case of Laci Peterson, the reward went up to $100K I think -- and it appears that Scott Peterson was able to murder and dispose of her body without anyone seeing him do it. What about Stacy Peterson -- did Drew Peterson possibly manage hiding her on his own? There's a $100K reward in that case too.

i think another issue with the reward is that most of the rewards are for solving the case. In other words who did the deed. The hunters in the case that found the bodies of the cousins did not qualify for the reward because they only found the bodies not the perp. Maybe if there was a reward for finding the missing person/persons there would be more interest in even looking. In most cases the bodies are found accidentally. jmo

 

[LotusPawprint]

I agree about reward money not being a big factor in solving many of these cases. For example, in spite of a large reward, we still don't know who killed Morgan Harrington -- and all of us could cite numerous examples I'm sure.

Which begs the question -- if money is not an incentive in solving a case, what does this mean? Either the perpetrator acted alone perhaps, and/or no one saw anything.

In the case of Laci Peterson, the reward went up to $100K I think -- and it appears that Scott Peterson was able to murder and dispose of her body without anyone seeing him do it. What about Stacy Peterson -- did Drew Peterson possibly manage hiding her on his own? There's a $100K reward in that case too.

bbm - Clearly varies from case to case but in many situations I think fear is a big issue. If the person who might call in a tip or report the crime knows the perp, is afraid he/she won't be arrested/tried/convicted, or is potentially fearful he [the tipster] could be dragged into the legal proceedings -- I think some people would rather stay silent.

Also family/friends/co-workers/neighbors/associates of potential suspects may have trouble turning in someone they know(love) and accepting this person could commit such a crime. Jessica Ridgeway's killer, a 17-year old young man (monster), was turned in by his mother. Thank goodness for that. It can't be easy and I can understand the conflict.

 

[Tennlyn]

I think it is amazing how much they have raised but i do not see money as a motivating factor in this crime so i dont think cash is going to help solve this crime .

IMHO

Is this money going towards the reward fund or the search effort itself? I thought I read were they were interviewing private investigators, etc.

 

[PaulR]

i think another issue with the reward is that most of the rewards are for solving the case. In other words who did the deed. The hunters in the case that found the bodies of the cousins did not qualify for the reward because they only found the bodies not the perp. Maybe if there was a reward for finding the missing person/persons there would be more interest in even looking. In most cases the bodies are found accidentally. jmo

I think the danger here - and maybe this is why the reward money is for solving the case not finding the body - is that people may put themselves at risk by going out into the woods and searching for a body just for the reward money. The last thing we need is another missing person

 

[cluciano63]

I am all for PI's but can't help wondering what they could really do in this case, assuming Dylan was really abducted by a stranger. There does not seem to be any witnesses to try to interview, for example and if LE does have any info or clues, i can't see them sharing much with a PI.