CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #23

[imamaze]

O/T

I have a question that I don't want to bug the mods with, and thought someone else might be able to answer it for me. Any volunteers?

Is it only professionals in fields relevant to finding missing persons or other crimes that need to be verified before being allowed to speak about their areas of expertise without Moos and all that? It may, or may not, be obvious that I'm talking about my post/s about pings and triangulation. Would I have to become verified (which I think would be a waste of everybody's times since my field will seldom be needed in a case) in order to discount an opposing paper by an attorney on the subject?

TIA

Hi Confusion, Only professionals are allowed to answer question or discuss something as fact. If your not a verified member then you have to have a link to back up what your saying. Does that help?

 

[vasportsmom]

Maybe I should look at that again. I thought it looked like mainly people oriented fields, and more forensics type stuff. Thanks.

It might lean heavily that way but you never know what kind of professional might become invaluable on any given case. Can't hurt to get verified if it is something you're comfortable doing.

 

[imamaze]

Sorry but psychic discussion is not allowed here at Websleuths. I unapproved several posts talking about this.

Also if you can't post it here then please don't say you know something but not allowed to say.

:tyou:

 

[oceanblueeyes]

A random abduction of a 13 (almost 14 year old) would not be an easy undertaking.

Imo, it would be much easier than it would be to abduct a full grown woman or man who weighs more than Dylan and has developed sharper senses when it comes to dangerous situation.

And we read quite regularly about adults being abducted so I dont understand why some think abducting a small kid of 105 pounds would be hard since LE has had that on the table early on.:waitasec:

Look how many serial killers are able to abduct females and no one hears or sees a thing or the random abductor is so crafty and cunning he/she can talk the person into getting in their vehicle with them to never return alive just like Ted Bundy did.

IMO

 

[absentia]

O/T

I have a question that I don't want to bug the mods with, and thought someone else might be able to answer it for me. Any volunteers?

Is it only professionals in fields relevant to finding missing persons or other crimes that need to be verified before being allowed to speak about their areas of expertise without Moos and all that? It may, or may not, be obvious that I'm talking about my post/s about pings and triangulation. Would I have to become verified (which I think would be a waste of everybody's times since my field will seldom be needed in a case) in order to discount an opposing paper by an attorney on the subject?

TIA

no, you can be verified in any field. There's a thread of info about it on the WS main page. I'll try to see if I can link it for you.

try this: [ame="http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8582864&postcount=1"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - NEW Professional Posters & Verified Locals/Insiders[/ame]

you go to the Forums page on WS. then select The Missing Discussion forum. then there's a thread in there titled as above.

 

[Confusion]

Hi Confusion, Only professionals are allowed to answer question or discuss something as fact. If your not a verified member then you have to have a link to back up what your saying. Does that help?

Thanks, I expected that. I'll just keep saying MOO and people can believe me or not. I haven't worked in over 10 years and I'm not licensed to do anything but drive these days (I don't think).

 

[oceanblueeyes]

So nothing like this has happened in the area before * i remember somebody trying to find crimes like this from the area* and this random person starts with Dylan ?

I still don't personally see it .

The rural tiny town where the Greone children were from in Idaho had never had anything like what happened to their community before.

And the Sandy Hook community in CT is not a crime ridden area but an upscaled community bathed in wholesomeness and sunshine and nothing like what happened there had happened before.

And so many other cases like this one were small communities with very little crime and no kidnappings of children before an abductor struck.

Who is to say he started with Dylan? A stranger pedo was in our area a couple of years ago who tried to coax a young boy into his van. The boy's mom got his tag number and LE caught him and when they did he had no reason to even be in this area cruising the streets or even the state for that matter. He had no job and when they ran his name he was wanted in three other states for sex offenses against children.

It shows just because it has never happened before doesnt mean it cant happen at any given time.

IMO

 

[sunni]

Does anyone know of parents of missing children who have hired PI's? And, if so, has the PI route ever resulted in finding the child?

I think a PI was involved in the Lisa Irwin case, but don't think the parents hired him.

Will look for a link to this.

 

[LotusPawprint]

Imo, it would be much easier than it would be to abduct a full grown woman or man who weighs more than Dylan and has developed sharper senses when it comes to dangerous situation.

And we read quite regularly about adults being abducted so I dont understand why some think abducting a small kid of 105 pounds would be hard since LE has had that on the table early on.:waitasec:

Look how many serial killers are able to abduct females and no one hears or sees a thing or the random abductor is so crafty and cunning he/she can talk the person into getting in their vehicle with them to never return alive just like Ted Bundy did.

IMO

This has always been plausible IMO, but the other alternative is just as plausible if not more so again IMO.
In the above scenario, a random abductor would have to get "lucky" very quickly and apparently there were no witnesses to the abduction and nobody's ever seen Dylan since.
If MR was involved he had hours and hours, miles and miles and a few big questions to answer (for me at least).

However with the stranger abduction being possible, it's pretty darn horrifying that some cunning, dangerous predator just swooped in through a quiet, safe town and snatched a 13-year old boy off the face of the earth without a trace and there has been almost no response to engage the public or the media in the last month to find Dylan and to find this perp.

While some say LE doesn't "owe" the public anything, I disagree with that as it's their job to protect their community, find the missing person, and bring the perp to justice. LE also doesn't "owe" MR the courtesy of being cleared if he's innocent (or if he's being used as a decoy to trick a guilty party), but I would imagine some locals are looking at him with good reason and if there's a dangerous predator somewhere who's got Dylan, it would be really great to just rule MR out.

All JMO.

 

[cluciano63]

I think we all know that anything can happen anywhere. I don't dispute that. But as I have said (harped on, lol) before, unless LE on this case are uncaring or incompetent, their behavior does not match up with their suspecting a random abduction.IN MY OPINION.

 

[LotusPawprint]

I think a PI was involved in the Lisa Irwin case, but don't think the parents hired him.

Will look for a link to this.

Wild Bill Stanton.

 

[Seajay]

Welcome to my world! :seeya:

Can't say "BOO" without it being picked apart.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I think the reason why abduction has not been ruled out and anything else is because they just don't know .

He has basically vanished off the face of the earth without leaving any clues (from the little we know)

MOO

I think they havent ruled it out because they believe it is a strong viable possibility (didnt they tell one reporter off the record they do think that is what happened?) No matter his age he was a small 105 pound kid. In his last photo he doesnt look like he weighs that much to me.

Like others he could have been enticed into getting into the vehicle willingly and if forced he would be no match for an adult who also could have displayed a weapon.

They took the possiblity off that he was a runaway. They have their valid reasons for still keeping abduction on the table, imo.

IMO

 

[BritsKate]

Can't say "BOO" without it being picked apart.

Would you happen to have a link available to back up that assertion? :giggle:


(So sorry. Just.Could.Not.Resist.)

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I think we all know that anything can happen anywhere. I don't dispute that. But as I have said (harped on, lol) before, unless LE on this case are uncaring or incompetent, their behavior does not match up with their suspecting a random abduction.IN MY OPINION.

How are they any different than other LE at the time that said nothing when it turned out to be a random abduction?

Except in the Ridgeway case.

 

[cluciano63]

I think they havent ruled it out because they believe it is a strong viable possibility (didnt they tell one reporter off the record they do think that is what happened?) No matter his age he was a small 105 pound kid. In his last photo he doesnt look like he weighs that much to me.

Like others he could have been enticed into getting into the vehicle willingly and if forced he would be no match for an adult who also could have displayed a weapon.

They took the possiblity off that he was a runaway. They have their valid reasons for still keeping abduction on the table, imo.

IMO

We have no idea what LE told that one reporter from the ABQ station. it was not a quote.

 

[Confusion]

We have no idea what LE told that one reporter from the ABQ station. it was not a quote.

Very little of the very little we know has been from direct quotes by LE, or anyone else for that matter.

 

[asyousay]

I am sure it can happen but I do not believe this is the case here . Too much does not add up or ring true for me to believe this theory .

MOO

The rural tiny town where the Greone children were from in Idaho had never had anything like what happened to their community before.

And the Sandy Hook community in CT is not a crime ridden area but an upscaled community bathed in wholesomeness and sunshine and nothing like what happened there had happened before.

And so many other cases like this one were small communities with very little crime and no kidnappings of children before an abductor struck.

Who is to say he started with Dylan? A stranger pedo was in our area a couple of years ago who tried to coax a young boy into his van. The boy's mom got his tag number and LE caught him and when they did he had no reason to even be in this area cruising the streets or even the state for that matter. He had no job and when they ran his name he was wanted in three other states for sex offenses against children.

It shows just because it has never happened before doesnt mean it cant happen at any given time.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

We have no idea what LE told that one reporter from the ABQ station. it was not a quote.

I said it was off the record but why would the reporter print that knowing full well LE would know about it? Has LE refuted they said it?

imo

 

[Seajay]

The rural tiny town where the Greone children were from in Idaho had never had anything like what happened to their community before.

And the Sandy Hook community in CT is not a crime ridden area but an upscaled community bathed in wholesomeness and sunshine and nothing like what happened there had happened before.

And so many other cases like this one were small communities with very little crime and no kidnappings of children before an abductor struck.

Who is to say he started with Dylan? A stranger pedo was in our area a couple of years ago who tried to coax a young boy into his van. The boy's mom got his tag number and LE caught him and when they did he had no reason to even be in this area cruising the streets or even the state for that matter. He had no job and when they ran his name he was wanted in three other states for sex offenses against children.

It shows just because it has never happened before doesnt mean it cant happen at any given time.

IMO

Just like in Lake Tahoe, where resident children don't get abducted. And there is a lot of out of state traffic there.

But Jaycee Dugard was abducted from there, by Phillip Garrido who drove 2 1/2 hours from Antioch, CA to Lake Tahoe for the sole purpose of finding a girl child to abduct. Child abductions did not happen in Lake Tahoe all the time. That community was shocked. Jaycee was kept for 18 years in his backyard in a tent encampment. Lots of small towns that have never had crimes happen in them end up having heinos crimes.