CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #23

[The Cheese]

I'm sure there's no way they've gotten results of all the evidence collected from MR's house/vehicles back. Especially considering that they spent multiple days gathering it - they obviously generated a good bit of stuff to be analyzed. I know labs don't turn around samples that quickly, and computer forensics and other processing departments are undoubtedly involved also.

My bold -

Just some related information. The search was done in less than a day, concluding on the same day - Thursday November 29 -

According to La Plata County Sheriff's Office, authorities concluded their search of the home around 9:00 p.m. Thursday.

http://www.kjct8.com/news/Investiga...-boy/-/163152/17609894/-/yrl3duz/-/index.html

 

[PaulR]

Here's some related information -

Dylan had asked his father whether he could go to his friends' that evening after they had shopped at Walmart and eaten at a McDonald's in Durango and before the 45-minute drive to Mark's home north of Vallecito Lake. Mark said he told his son it was too late. So Dylan texted friends in Bayfield, his father said, and made arrangements to meet them the next morning.

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22108222#ixzz2HDmsJiQB

This actually sets a timeline:

Ryan: (time 6:43 p.m. Nov. 18) Im in pagosa coming

Dylan Redwine: Cant come srry ill hang tommarow

Ryan: Ok

Ryan: (time 7:09 p.m. Nov. 18) Why

Dylan: idk

Ryan: (time 7:45 p.m. Nov. 18) Did your dad say no

Dylan: (time 8:01 p.m. Nov. 18) yea

That means the 6:43pm conversation happened after Walmart/McDonalds since Dylan says he can't come then. So the 16 minute delay between Ryan's question "Did your dad say no" and Dylan's response took place on the ride home.

 

[Seajay]

Why would it change ?
He is still the same child whether he lives in timbuktu or Colorado.

My kids were always better behaved at someone else's house than at mine. They had stricter rules at my house then they did when they were visiting their grandparents. Besides, their grandparents were more indulgent than I was. Everyone loved having my kids around. They only acted up with me.

Many kids are like that. Different set of rules, different circumstances at the two parents. At his Mom's he had school and homework and extracirrucular activities, so he had to be on some type of schedule. At Dad's it was vacation time. Sleep in, goof around, hang out with friends. He would act two different ways based on the circumstances. IMO

 

[asyousay]

One of the accusations from ER in the court papers was that MR allowed Dylan to ride on recreational vehicles unsupervised. So clearly MR was more lenient, at least in some areas, than ER.

I agree Dylan wanted to hang out with his friends more than his parents. Are we surprised that a kid would rather hang out with his friends than with his parents? Is that abnormal? I'm not a parent but I'd like to hear from them whether they think their kids would rather be around their friends versus at home with mom and/or dad.

I am not a parent but i find it strange when they can go two or 3 months without a visit that you do not want to at least spend the first day catching up and bonding . Any close father and son i would expect that kind of behavior from IMHO .

 

[jjenny]

This actually sets a timeline:


That means the 6:43pm conversation happened after Walmart/McDonalds since Dylan says he can't come then. So the 16 minute delay between Ryan's question "Did your dad say no" and Dylan's response took place on the ride home.

Only if you think everything MR says is accurate.

 

[Eileen730]

I think everyone does see how serious the non-usage of his cell phone is, but we all think differently, and the differences come in what time the non-usage becomes serious to each of us.

Mark said Dylan fell asleep early, and that makes sense to me since Dylan was up until 4am that morning and traveled for hours that day. So that accounts, for me, for the non-usage until the next day. Dylan was still sleeping at 7:30am, the last time police state he was seen, so to me, the serious time is after 7:30am Monday. Mark returned home at 11:30am and Dylan wasn't there, so that's my 'serious' window - 7:30 to 11:30 - sometime in there, something happened and non-usage of his phone became serious.

Others have different ways of pinpointing the time they think it became serious. I accept and respect that.

If his phone was working and Dylan was asleep that phone would not have
vanished off the planet. If his phone died he had his charger and then the phone would have continued pinging, If it was destroyed he would have used dads phone to text hs friend and tell him his phone died and he would have alerted his mom also. Or Better yet Dad wouldhave sent Elaine a message hey Dylans phone isnt working you can reach him thru me! JMO

 

[Darcyline]

Well, we or LE should know when the Wal-mart visit was because it is on video. That isn't a matter of believing MR.

 

[asyousay]

My kids were always better behaved at someone else's house than at mine. They had stricter rules at my house then they did when they were visiting their grandparents. Besides, their grandparents were more indulgent than I was. Everyone loved having my kids around. They only acted up with me.

Many kids are like that. Different set of rules, different circumstances at the two parents. At his Mom's he had school and homework and extracirrucular activities, so he had to be on some type of schedule. At Dad's it was vacation time. Sleep in, goof around, hang out with friends. He would act two different ways based on the circumstances. IMO

Good points , i had not looked at it like that

 

[Chili Fries]

My bold -

Just some related information. The search was done in less than a day, concluding on the same day - Thursday November 29 -

According to La Plata County Sheriff's Office, authorities concluded their search of the home around 9:00 p.m. Thursday.

http://www.kjct8.com/news/Investiga...-boy/-/163152/17609894/-/yrl3duz/-/index.html

Was that done for the day or done for good, though? On Nancy Grace the following Monday, it was reported that Mark only was allowed back in his house that day, the 3rd of December. So that would mean LE spent Thurs-Sun or Mon processing the house.

 

[The Cheese]

Thats exactly the thing Paul They cant track it!

Related information - Dylan's phone was shut off several days before November 26th, and police hadn't been able to track it as of that date (Nov 26th) -

The La Plata County Sheriff’s Department says the boy’s cell phone has been turned off for several days, and they can’t track it down.

This is national public radio in CO -

http://radiocoloradocollege.org/2012/11/searchers-still-seek-clues-to-missing-colorado-springs-boy/

 

[cluciano63]

I still can't help feeling that something happened to Dylan before morning came, because of the phone situation. Nothing plausible has been suggested that works for me as to why it seems to have gone off the grid Sunday night, IMO.

 

[jjenny]

Related information - Dylan's phone was shut off several days before November 26th, and police hadn't been able to track it as of that date (Nov 26th) -

The La Plata County Sheriff’s Department says the boy’s cell phone has been turned off for several days, and they can’t track it down.

This is national public radio in CO -

http://radiocoloradocollege.org/2012/11/searchers-still-seek-clues-to-missing-colorado-springs-boy/

No, it doesn't say they can't track it since Nov 26th. You can't just pick a day on which article was published and claim that is the day that they can't track the phone down on.

 

[cluciano63]

Related information - Dylan's phone was shut off several days before November 26th, and police hadn't been able to track it as of that date (Nov 26th) -

The La Plata County Sheriff’s Department says the boy’s cell phone has been turned off for several days, and they can’t track it down.

This is national public radio in CO -

http://radiocoloradocollege.org/2012/11/searchers-still-seek-clues-to-missing-colorado-springs-boy/

That does not really prove to me that LE said this on the 26th. I take it as quoting LE from much earlier on in the case, but JMO.

 

[jjenny]

Well, we or LE should know when the Wal-mart visit was because it is on video. That isn't a matter of believing MR.

LE should know but we don't at this time, since LE has not released that time.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Just my opinion as somebody who has 15 years experience working in analytical chemistry labs and who has followed many of these cases with an eye on turnarounds. I've read a good bit on forensic lab backlog issues over the years also. Backlog is a fact of life. I just don't see how the volume of evidence generated in a weekend of car/house searches could be fully turned around yet. Saying they found nothing in the home sounded like LE-speak to me, obviously they sent stuff out that was awaiting analysis at that time.

I wouldn't be surprised if some of the items found in the search were still out for analysis as well, but I'm confident that the bulk of the evidence is from the vehicle/home search (provided there is not another big evidence-gathering episode we aren't aware of).

I do agree that labs have been backlogged for years due to cutbacks and layoffs. But since I read about way too many cases here and have done so for 9 years I do know some state labs are doing a faster turn around on cases that are high profile. And a missing child is always top priority imo.

Heck they are even doing it in high profile murder cases as well. For example in the Heinz Mass murder case out of Georgia the police received two important pieces of evidence back from the GBI lab in less than a week making them have probable cause for an arrest. They also did the same in Illinois with the Gee Mass Murder case and got evidence returned from the state lab in a two day turnaround. So does it happen in all cases? No, imo, other less significant cases will be pushed back for the ones that are more urgent.

It was weeks before LE came out and said they found nothing in the search of MRs home that would assist them in helping them find Dylan. Evidently that is true since Dylan disappeared on November 19, 2012 and its now into January 2013 and they still do not know what even happened to him except they do have a theory that he may have been abducted. They can do many presumptive tests nowadays before sending it on to the labs. Also scent dogs are very helpful and are usually brought in to search home and vehicles. So there are ways to know certain things even before it is sent to the lab.

I dont think any items they took from the home or his vehicle will reveal any evidence. JMO.

And sadly I dont think any of the items taken in the outside search for Dylan will reveal anything either.

 

[jjenny]

That does not really prove to me that LE said this on the 26th. I take it as quoting LE from much earlier on in the case, but JMO?

ITA. The quote itself isn't dated.

 

[Eileen730]

This actually sets a timeline:


That means the 6:43pm conversation happened after Walmart/McDonalds since Dylan says he can't come then. So the 16 minute delay between Ryan's question "Did your dad say no" and Dylan's response took place on the ride home.

Or Dylan was texting when Dad wasnt looking! He was looking for opportunities to text. He got caught on that last one.
then there were none!

 

[Confusion]

This actually sets a timeline:

That means the 6:43pm conversation happened after Walmart/McDonalds since Dylan says he can't come then. So the 16 minute delay between Ryan's question "Did your dad say no" and Dylan's response took place on the ride home.

Something else I'd like to point out is that ER's text asking if his father picked him up came 3 minutes before his response.

My kids were always better behaved at someone else's house than at mine. They had stricter rules at my house then they did when they were visiting their grandparents. Besides, their grandparents were more indulgent than I was. Everyone loved having my kids around. They only acted up with me.

Many kids are like that. Different set of rules, different circumstances at the two parents. At his Mom's he had school and homework and extracirrucular activities, so he had to be on some type of schedule. At Dad's it was vacation time. Sleep in, goof around, hang out with friends. He would act two different ways based on the circumstances. IMO

My mother always had a different opinion of me than most other people. Opposite of the case here: my mother would have described me as lazy, ornery, disobedient and probably a few things I can't post. My grandmother thought I was helpful, considerate, well-behaved and funny; my teachers thought I was smart, studious, courteous, self-starter, polite and shy; my friends thought I was daring/chicken, out-spoken/quiet, too serious/never serious, etc. It depended on the circumstances and who I was with. All of these things would accurately describe a part of me, but I've only known one or two people in my life who have seen all of those parts. MOO

I am not a parent but i find it strange when they can go two or 3 months without a visit that you do not want to at least spend the first day catching up and bonding . Any close father and son i would expect that kind of behavior from IMHO .

I saw my father every few months for a while, and later every few years. Nobody thought it was odd that we'd always go to my grandmother's house and we'd spend almost the entire time outside with cousins. We usually saw the adults during meals and at night before bed.

Only if you think everything MR says is accurate.

I think he's the only person, other than Dylan, who can accurately say what happened.

If his phone was working and Dylan was asleep that phone would not have vanished off the planet. If his phone died he had his charger and then the phone would have continued pinging, If it was destroyed he would have used dads phone to text hs friend and tell him his phone died and he would have alerted his mom also. Or Better yet Dad wouldhave sent Elaine a message hey Dylans phone isnt working you can reach him thru me! JMO

The key word/s JMO - that isn't the opinion that some of us hold. MOO

 

[The Cheese]

If his phone was working and Dylan was asleep that phone would not have
vanished off the planet. If his phone died he had his charger and then the phone would have continued pinging, If it was destroyed he would have used dads phone to text hs friend and tell him his phone died and he would have alerted his mom also. Or Better yet Dad wouldhave sent Elaine a message hey Dylans phone isnt working you can reach him thru me! JMO

Here are 2 of several scenarios I can think of -

- Dylan puts his phone on the coffee table, lays down on the couch, and falls asleep. Next morning he wakes up sometime between 7:30 and 11:30. He grabs some cereal, flips on the TV, finishes cereal, puts bowl in sink, decides to text his friends or his dad, but there's a knock on the door. Abduction happens and prevents Dylan from using his phone.

- Dylan puts his phone to charge, lays down on the couch, falls asleep. Wakes up in the morning between 7:30 and 11:30. Grabs cereal, flips on TV, picks up his phone to text his friends, and discovers it hasn't taken the charge. He finishes his cereal, puts the bowl in the sink, decides to hitch to friends, grabs his backpack, heads out the door and down the road, gets a ride. Abduction happens and prevents Dylan from using his phone.

 

[Confusion]

Or Dylan was texting when Dad wasnt looking! He was looking for opportunities to text. He got caught on that last one.
then there were none!

Do you have any kind of evidence to back that up? I don't remember seeing any.