CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #24

[SCHMAE]

I don't think it's weird. They have to figure out if the person was doing preparatory stuff prior to abducting, if they were stalking other kids, on the prowl, etc. And post abduction where they went, what they did, opportunities to kill the child, molest the child, hide the child, hide their body, etc

To know what the RSO's are doing yes, but it said the 48 hr between dylan landing and disappearing... probably just an error.

 

[katydid23]

That was speculation here. What was reported in MSM is that the lake was checked because of the broken pole that was found there. It was in an ABC article I remember, as well as others.

edit - here's one of the articles -

A few days ago, there was a spark of hope after part of a fishing pole was found on a dam, prompting a two-day search of the area that turned up empty.

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2012/11/29/no-sign-of-colorado-boy-visit-dad/

It wasn't just speculation here. Mark, himself, said he told LE from day one that the pole was missing, and he criticized them for not searching the lake sooner.

So it was MR that was directing LE towards the lake, not us.

 

[asyousay]

OT

I just wanted to say i am glad Cole was found safe , really nice that we do sometimes get a great outcome on this site.

 

[jjenny]

What I've read is that dogs led them to the lake, but I'll have to look for the link...it's been posted several times, and I believe it's in the time line somewhere.

Dogs didn't lead them to the lake. It were cadaver dogs that hit on something. Presumably something dead and decaying, because that is what cadaver dogs hit on.

 

[Dee10]

Oh I'm sure they've looked at that 48 hour period for a lot of people - Mark, Elaine, Mike, Cory, other family members on both sides, friends, 'enemies', neighbors, acquaintances, etc. All the standard people they would look at. What people are doing before and after the 'zero hour' when a child goes missing is important.

The discussion though was about the RSOs, so that's why I responded as I did.

ITA, with what you said & thank you for finding this quote I didn't catch the 48 hr. period before Schmae pointed it out. It shows that LE is being very diligent in looking at the span of 48 hrs. vs. 7:30 am. to when MR reported Dylan missing.

 

[Confusion]

ITA! There has been nothing released to suggest that anybody ever heard from Dylan in any way after his last reported text. LE has no reason to hide the fact that Dylan made it to MR's but they have never indicated they have proof of that.

I really can't buy that Dylan was lax about charging his phone either. For starters, he had a flip phone not a smart phone. Flip phones have a much better battery life than the majority of phones available. More importantly we have been told Dylan did not want to make this visit. He had good reason to be wary of his father. Mark had demonstrated his willingness to expose his child to his drinking and violence in the past. I don't believe for a second that a child in that situation would be so careless or unconcerned with his main lifeline to his mother should history repeat itself and things get out of control. Dylan was nearly 14. He wasn't unwise to who his father was and the threat he posed to him when drinking. IMO.

I have an uncle who lived in an area with really lousy cell service for years (he still owns property in the area). If a cell phone isn't turned off when not in use there, or almost constantly being charged, the batteries go dead very quickly. I know people much older than 14 who are forgetful at times, but I can't remember who at the moment! :blushing: I've seen nothing stated in MSM, or even on FB, that says that his father drank when he was visiting, or that he's ever harmed him during a visit. MOO

 

[The Cheese]

But they determined later on the broken pole was not Dylan's.

Yes, but of course, they didn't know that at the time. I don't get what that has to do with what was reported as the reason they went to the lake. I posted the information that was reported in MSM as the reason they decided to search the lake. Period.

 

[The Cheese]

If you read his texts, it's rather clear he didn't talk to Dylan. There was also an article which states his friends tried to text and phone him on Monday but got no response.

It's not clear at all to me reading his texts lol. I don't see anything about phone calls in the texts.

I know his friends tried to text and phone him on Monday. That doesn't preclude a phone call on Sunday evening.

 

[jjenny]

Yes, but of course, they didn't know that at the time. I don't get what that has to do with what was reported as the reason they went to the lake. I posted the information that was reported in MSM as the reason they decided to search the lake. Period.

The reason they went to the lake would presumably be because MR told them fishing pole was missing. Then they found the broken pole. Later on they determined the pole was not Dylan's.

 

[The Cheese]

What I've read is that dogs led them to the lake, but I'll have to look for the link...it's been posted several times, and I believe it's in the time line somewhere.

I think somebody found the broken pole, LE brought the dogs, the dogs picked up a scent, they sent the boats, the divers etc

 

[vasportsmom]

I have an uncle who lived in an area with really lousy cell service for years (he still owns property in the area). If a cell phone isn't turned off when not in use there, or almost constantly being charged, the batteries go dead very quickly. I know people much older than 14 who are forgetful at times, but I can't remember who at the moment! :blushing: I've seen nothing stated in MSM, or even on FB, that says that his father drank when he was visiting, or that he's ever harmed him during a visit. MOO

If Mark exposed him to his drinking, violence and other unsavory behavior in front of others then I don't think it is a stretch to imagine that he engaged in the same behavior or worse in private.

 

[cattlekate]

Well, we've been skiing for the week at K*ystone and unfortunately, there isn't more news about precious Dylan Redwine. There are three threads however - and yet scanning them brings no good news.

While we were skiing/boarding, a little 13 year old died in a skiing accident at Copper Mountain. So he is in my prayers as well as Dylan. No 13 year olds should pass. None.

The most-important posts are from azgrandma - and I want to ask her if Mark Redwine owned guns.

 

[jjenny]

I think somebody found the broken pole, LE brought the dogs, the dogs picked up a scent, they sent the boats, the divers etc

Why would anyone think that broken pole had any connection to Dylan unless MR told them the pole was missing right from the start?

 

[katydid23]

I think somebody found the broken pole, LE brought the dogs, the dogs picked up a scent, they sent the boats, the divers etc

OR somebody told LE that Dylan's pole was missing, so LE took the dogs to the lake, they picked up a scent, and they sent the boats and divers etc.

 

[The Cheese]

It wasn't just speculation here. Mark, himself, said he told LE from day one that the pole was missing, and he criticized them for not searching the lake sooner.

So it was MR that was directing LE towards the lake, not us.

Telling police on day one what all is missing - his backpack etc - and that he can't find Dylan's fishing rod is a far cry from directing police to the lake.

He expressed his frustration about them not searching the lake sooner after they were at the lake. It's humanly impossible to direct someone to someplace after they are already there.

It was reported in MSM that it was the broken pole being found that initiated the lake search.

It was speculated here that Mark directed LE to the lake. It was repeated over and over until some have accepted that as fact.

That's what I see. Others see it differently. That's fine with me.

 

[The Cheese]

The reason they went to the lake would presumably be because MR told them fishing pole was missing. Then they found the broken pole. Later on they determined the pole was not Dylan's.

Yes, presumably. And assuming that was the sequence of events. I'm presuming and assuming differently because what's been reported makes me think it was different. It's fine for each of us to see it differently. Isn't it?

 

[katydid23]

Telling police on day one what all is missing - his backpack etc - and that he can't find Dylan's fishing rod is a far cry from directing police to the lake.

He expressed his frustration about them not searching the lake sooner after they were at the lake. It's humanly impossible to direct someone to someplace after they are already there.

It was reported in MSM that it was the broken pole being found that initiated the lake search.

It was speculated here that Mark directed LE to the lake. It was repeated over and over until some have accepted that as fact.

That's what I see. Others see it differently. That's fine with me.

Using common sense, if he tells a detective, that his son went missing with HIS
FISHING POLE, isn't that essentially directing them to go look at the lake?

 

[Amster]

I agree , even if they announce he is a suspect without any kind of EVIDENCE then it goes nowhere IMHO

I don't even want to imagine the hysterics if someone other than MR is named as a POI or suspect.....or arrested. :burn:

 

[katydid23]

Yes, presumably. And assuming that was the sequence of events. I'm presuming and assuming differently because what's been reported makes me think it was different. It's fine for each of us to see it differently. Isn't it?

But didn't mark say he told them about the fishing pole ' from day one' or something like that?

 

[Amster]

If Mark exposed him to his drinking, violence and other unsavory behavior in front of others then I don't think it is a stretch to imagine that he engaged in the same behavior or worse in private.

Wonder if he was ever exposed to ER's drinking?