CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #24

[Allusonz]

I don't have the same questions you do.
I fail to see any reason he wouldn't mention someone else who was there, if that someone was there and saw Dylan. Especially when he appears to be so concerned with the attention being on him instead of Dylan.

They are all important ones.

If MR did have a girlfriend/fiance did Dylan like her?

If he did not like her that could play a huge role in the entire scenerio, so I am less apt to dismiss it.

 

[jjenny]

They are all important ones.

If MR did have a girlfriend/fiance did Dylan like her?

If he did not like her that could play a huge role in the entire scenerio, so I am less apt to dismiss it.

What possible role could it play in the entire scenario, considering MR didn't have custody, and Dylan only visited him once in a while.

 

[vasportsmom]

They are all important ones.

If MR did have a girlfriend/fiance did Dylan like her?

If he did not like her that could play a huge role in the entire scenerio, so I am less apt to dismiss it.

I'm not dismissing it. If he is involved with someone it could be important to the investigation. I just don't believe that anything we have heard thus far provides a foundation for speculation that she may have been present Sunday or Monday.

 

[kkdj]

I was just thinking. Why would he sign. Signing would end any control he might have had.

Not signing was a little gotcha. He didn't have to pay and he still got to drive her nuts.

It was a win, win for him. The only benefit she got was her boys. A blessing.

All MOO

My daughters ex wanted to terminate his rights to his son. For all intents and purposes he did, in writing and recorded in the courts. However, the courts wouldn't allow him to technically terminate his rights until another man adopts my grandson. Just in case, the state would still have him to go after for monetary reasons.

 

[Allusonz]

Most anything is possible but I think we would have heard about someone else being present. If nothing else that person could back up MR's story that Dylan was alive and well Monday morning or at the very least made it to the house Sunday night. I don't see any reason why LE would refuse to clear that up if they could.

Yup any person could back this up if it were a girlfriend, someone over for for a few hours the night he arrived, someone staying in MR's home watching it or helping out with the bills, or maybe even a neighbour that had to run errands as well, and that individual came over at an appointed time and saw Dylan sleeping.

It would then add another persons story to be checked as well which may take some time.

 

[Allusonz]

What possible role could it play in the entire scenario, considering MR didn't have custody, and Dylan only visited him once in a while.

I know of someone that did not like a parents friend and ran away.

Not that I am talking from experience or anything. :angel:

I was not the easiest teenager as my mother would often comment on :giggle:

 

[vasportsmom]

My daughters ex wanted to terminate his rights to his son. For all intents and purposes he did, in writing and recorded in the courts. However, the courts wouldn't allow him to technically terminate his rights until another man adopts my grandson. Just in case, the state would still have him to go after for monetary reasons.

A lot of states are becoming hesitant to terminate a parent's rights, even with cause. My baby brother has 2 daughters that he hasn't seen in 11 years (they are 11 & 15 now) our local JDR court has refused to terminate his rights even though he has no relationship with the girls, he's in prison and will be for another 5 years and the girls have an amazing stepfather that has raised them and wants to adopt them. It ticks me off royally and the judge that refused to sign off is the husband of a very close friend.

 

[jjenny]

Yup any person could back this up if it were a girlfriend, someone over for for a few hours the night he arrived, someone staying in MR's home watching it or helping out with the bills, or maybe even a neighbour that had to run errands as well, and that individual came over at an appointed time and saw Dylan sleeping.

It would then add another persons story to be checked as well which may take some time.

There has been plenty of time for such a story to be checked if it ever existed to begin with.
There is nothing to suggest that such a story ever existed.

 

[mck16]

I'm not dismissing it. If he is involved with someone it could be important to the investigation. I just don't believe that anything we have had heard thus far provides a foundation for speculation that she may have been present Sunday or Monday.

He made the comment that he didn't have anyone to support him and that his brother was coming to be with him. I don't think there is anyone there with him. Not saying there is no one romantically involved but I don't think she lives there. jmo

 

[vasportsmom]

He made the comment that he didn't have anyone to support him and that his brother was coming to be with him. I don't think there is anyone there with him. Not saying there is no one romantically involved but I don't think she lives there. jmo

I didn't think 'she' lived there. Heck, I was not even suggesting 'she' exists. I had forgot about that comment of his though. That statement would add weight to the idea of him not being involved with anyone or at least not someone local.

 

[LotusPawprint]

I would say anyone who MR associates with closely, in passing or has ever come in contact with - on good or bad terms, is important.

I'm not going to think of some random scenario and try to make it fit this situation but at any point anyone can come in contact with some dangerous lunatic who can embed themselves in our lives and we would have no idea.

I'm sure that as MR has been cooperative with LE and as part of the investigation every person in his life has been interviewed, alibied, checked out and he's been very forthcoming about where he's been, who he's talked to, and anyone who has possibly raised red flags or concern to him as a POI in his mind.

It's bothersome that if there is a random abductor LE isn't reaching out for help identifying this individual who could be roaming around amongst the community.

 

[kkdj]

In my case, as a Colorado Mom - NO! However, another thing that bothers me about this case is that Dylan supposedly talked to the judge. There is nothing that I see in the MSM that substantiates that. In my experience, a child only talks to a child advocate/evaluator, who writes a very dry report.

Omg! That just sparked my memory bank! We and the ex saw everything the evaluators wrote! All of their opinions, the child's reactions to each parent, etc.
I wonder if there had been an evaluator used in dylans case.

 

[vasportsmom]

I would say anyone who MR associates with closely, in passing or has ever come in contact with - on good or bad terms, is important.

I'm not going to think of some random scenario and try to make it fit this situation but at any point anyone can come in contact with some dangerous lunatic who can embed themselves in our lives and we would have no idea.

I'm sure that as MR has been cooperative with LE and as part of the investigation every person in his life has been interviewed, alibied, checked out and he's been very forthcoming about where he's been, who he's talked to, and anyone who has possibly raised red flags or concern to him as a POI in his mind.

It's bothersome that if there is a random abductor LE isn't reaching out for help identifying this individual who could be roaming around amongst the community.

If LE believes that a random abductor (or heck anyone other than family) is involved then they are doing Dylan, MR and the whole community a great disservice. If they have reason to believe that MR is telling the truth then they owe it to him to say so. The man is getting viciously ripped to shreds and LE's careful wording anytime he is mentioned is a large factor in that. It would be a great injustice if they are allowing him to suffer through this level of speculation without cause. I would be extremely disappointed to discover that they have grounds to publicly clear him but are not taking the opportunity to do so.

 

[The Cheese]

Yes there are two. The one you link is for praying and selling armbands. The one I link is for rumors! :what:

And for bashing Elaine. Admin of Dylan's real facebook and mom of one of Dylan's friends are giving them what for. Go Katt! Go Liz!

 

[vasportsmom]

Omg! That just sparked my memory bank! We and the ex saw everything the evaluators wrote! All of their opinions, the child's reactions to each parent, etc.
I wonder if there had been an evaluator used in dylans case.

We need to get a verified lawyer over here but I mentioned above that the local JDR is married to a close friend. I've picked his brain over this case many times. He said that a minor child in a custody dispute is almost always appointed a GAL to protect their interests. He also said that it wouldn't be unusual for the attorneys involved and thus their clients to have access to any reports because they are entitled to rebutt them. We are in VA though.

 

[kkdj]

That question is what makes me lean heavily towards the premeditation theory.

Same here. It seems more simple to connect the dots if I think in terms of premeditation.
Jmo

 

[vasportsmom]

Same here. It seems more simple to connect the dots if I think in terms of premeditation.
Jmo

Yes it does. The pieces fall into place much better for me if I frame them with the assumption that the disappearance was premeditated. I wish I could put them together in a different way though.

 

[kkdj]

We need to get a verified lawyer over here but I mentioned above that the local JDR is married to a close friend. I've picked his brain over this case many times. He said that a minor child in a custody dispute is almost always appointed a GAL to protect their interests. He also said that it wouldn't be unusual for the attorneys involved and thus their clients to have access to any reports because they are entitled to rebutt them. We are in VA though.

I'm in CA but anything with an evaluation was used in court by both parties and all parties were aware of what was in the evaluation reports. My grandson also had monitored visitation and those reports were also made available to all parties. They regularly made the ex pretty upset.
Imo

 

[kkdj]

Yes it does. The pieces fall into place much better for me if I frame them with the assumption that the disappearance was premeditated. I wish I could put them together in a different way though.

Again, same here, and I have tried and tried, only to have more questions that comes down to premeditation being the answer.
Jmo

 

[Veidt]

Cell phone and ping questions aside, I can't understand MR's actions or inactions when he gets home at 11:30am.

--He knows Dylan was desperate to see his friends.
--It's absurd to think Dylan would walk the 20 or so miles to his friends' house (how long would that even take? How many hours?)
--If he thinks Dylan would try making his way to his friends' on his own - how is he going to get there? No bike. No bus or public transportation. Doesn't seem like there are any close neighbors or friends MR could assume Dylan safely got a ride from.
.....
-- A reasonable mind might think a 13-year old would call his friend's parents for a ride.... DH suggested this on the NG show, saying Dylan would call someone's mom for a ride or at least try. But that would mean either the cell phone and/or landline would have to be used or an attempt at dialing out would be necessary in this "story".

-- So MR arrives home and apparently somehow thinks Dylan made his way to his friends house safely, enough so that he doesn't really get alarmed until late afternoon.

-- Only later does he even consider hitch-hiking "in hindsight" after learning from Dylan's friends that he's been known to hitch rides, though all we've heard is the one group incident of hitching.


I can understand being surprised to learn your child may have hitched rides before, but the only safe situation was if Dylan ended up at his friends' and got a ride from someone reliable and trustworthy (and likely known to MR and Dylan). Yet it took several hours of not trying or not being able to reach Dylan to confirm that he made it safely, while all the meantime something bad could've happened like being hit by a car or falling into a lake or down onto rocky ground.

I guess he's just a calm, cool, collected, go-with-the-flow, assume everything's going well, things are just fine, Dylan made it and there are no worries kinda-guy.


Just my thoughts, but I don't get it.

- It was not stated anywhere that Dylan was 100% unable to text while in the house. ER said it seemed like texts to and from Dylan in the house went through (link and quotes some pages back), MR texted his son so unless he's lying his own texts worked. Signal depends on many factors but maybe if his phone worked fine and if he knew Dylan to have texted from the house before he would not think it was impossible for him to text his friends asking for a ride.

- IMO most people would not become convinced straight away that something bad at happened if the odds were small. The most probable scenario was that Dylan had gotten a ride from a friend was safely hanging out with people he knew.

In my experience my parents would have called me being a little worried but not everyone is the same. Most of my friends' parents when I was a teen would have assumed they were with friends and didn't tell them so they'd just wait and text them. I don't think that's a good idea but it's more common that you'd think.

About the trip people mentioned some pages back, ER has not to the best of my knowledge said that it never took place so it did for all we know. IMO ER not posting pictures of the trip on her Facebook is not odd because it just does not matter to some people. Maybe she thought it was weird given it was a trip Dylan had taken with her ex husband and not her, unless she had no other pictures of her son I'm sure she had plenty to use instead. There's so many reasons why there would be no pictures online that better evidence that something was off would be ER saying the trip had never happened. If MR was lying about that it would be a considerable lie so if she's ok with stating that he could be violent I'm sure she'd call him out on that as well. :twocents: