CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #24

[aust amateur slueth]

I'd like to know if MR had done an anger management course in recent years, his demeanour in his interviews appears super calm and tighlty controlled, not at all like someone who had been charged with menacing on two occasions and not what is generally perceived as natural for a father who has lost a son who 'meant the world to him'.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

But do you think in all this time if there was evidence of this happening, it would be found by now? No offense to MR but I do NOT believe he is so slick as to be able to keep a crime like this under wraps 100% for all this time. If they've found no hint of anything by now that leaves me with A ) MR is innocent or B) LE is grossly overmatched
He's right there down the street from LE. They have to be watching him at least loosely and he's not made a slip up.

BBM

he hasn't made a slip up that we are aware of at this point in time. He's been avoiding the media completely and staying well out of the limelight, I wonder if he has been staying out of the public eye mostly and do we know if he attended the dinner that was held to help raise reward money to find Dylan?

 

[Eileen730]

If a fight happened between Dylan and his dad at home, there would likely be some indication of such an occurrence.

If it happened at Wal Mart or McD's, someone would have noticed.

If it happened on the journey, then the driving would have been noticable.


Once I get to grips with how an 'event causing death' happened, I will have to work on how one disposes of a body of a fairly large child without getting 'death scent' on MR, the vehicle, or the house/garden.

A dead cell phone doesn't equal murder for me yet. (Though I was uber suspicious at the start)

I think it was when they were driving home and I do not think the roads are very busy there Esp sunday evening! JMO I dont think it would be noticed they could have pulled off the main road also.

I dont think it was Murder but I do think it ended in a Death!
JMO

 

[Eileen730]

BBM

he hasn't made a slip up that we are aware of at this point in time. He's been avoiding the media completely and staying well out of the limelight, I wonder if he has been staying out of the public eye mostly and do we know if he attended the dinner that was held to help raise reward money to find Dylan?

I think he has a lawyer and is told not to say a word!
Not to take another poly!


JMO

 

[Eileen730]

I'd like to know if MR had done an anger management course in recent years, his demeanour in his interviews appears super calm and tighlty controlled, not at all like someone who had been charged with menacing on two occasions and not what is generally perceived as natural for a father who has lost a son who 'meant the world to him'.

Personally I think its only when hes drinking! Thats just my :twocents: andmy VOO

 

[Eileen730]

But do you think in all this time if there was evidence of this happening, it would be found by now? No offense to MR but I do NOT believe he is so slick as to be able to keep a crime like this under wraps 100% for all this time. If they've found no hint of anything by now that leaves me with A ) MR is innocent or B) LE is grossly overmatched
He's right there down the street from LE. They have to be watching him at least loosely and he's not made a slip up.

I think they wont find any evidence because all the evidence is with Dylan!
they need to find this young man. Maybe then the truth will come out!
JMO

 

[Cardinal47]

I have been more inclined to focus on MR since the word go in this. I've also looked at random abductor. A lot of things seem to keep ' not adding up ' for MR though and I still think he could likely be involved. But this morning I'm thinking the more time goes by the LESS likely it is MR is involved. The possible drunken, accidental physical confrontation theory....... that seemed like a good idea at the beginning , seems less and less plausible now. LE has focused on him heavily and talked with and searched all of his stuff. If there is nothing anywhere to indicate he did it, then he probably did not. In this amount of time, almost EIGHT weeks of heavy scrutiny, something would have come up right? So I'm thinking the further away from Dylan' disappearance , the more likely someone other than MR is involved.
Thoughts? Agree?
Disagree?

I honestly don't know what to think anymore. We have all argued our points of view over and over.

I am a bit surprised at the silence from everybody. Mom, Dad and LE.

Sad to say I think Dylan is no longer with us.

By whose hand I just don't know.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

Personally I think its only when hes drinking! Thats just my :twocents: andmy VOO

I'm not so sure about that.

I'm actually surprised anger management hasn't been raised before now. It's interesteing what you spot when you re read things in the forums

 

[Dee10]

I think he has a lawyer and is told not to say a word!
Not to take another poly!


JMO

Yes, that is exactly what a criminal lawyer would advise.:angel: The thing is do you want to help the investigation find your child if you are innocent? I perhaps may want a lawyer with me to answer questions if it was getting hostile, however I would not just stay home & clam-up. But we don't know if that is what he has been doing either.

If he failed the lst poly or it was inconclusive, judging by other cases he would be asked to do a 2nd & IMO common sense. He has a right to turn down taking one, so I don't believe that is considered not co-operating as polys are voluntary.

 

[white rabbit]

But do you think in all this time if there was evidence of this happening, it would be found by now? No offense to MR but I do NOT believe he is so slick as to be able to keep a crime like this under wraps 100% for all this time. If they've found no hint of anything by now that leaves me with A ) MR is innocent or B) LE is grossly overmatched
He's right there down the street from LE. They have to be watching him at least loosely and he's not made a slip up.

i feel the same way, but...you don't have to be a brain surgeon to commit the 'perfect' crime, kwim? perps come in all shapes, sizes, and levels of intelligence. and most aren't so 'level'...

re: what eileen just said...if all the evidence is with dylan, there's nothing to go on.

besides, if you're fighting in a car...with your spouse, your kids, or your kids' are fighting...generally speaking, one pulls over. "if i have to get out of this car!!!" kind of threat. to engage in a physical fight, one pulls over, stops, and drags the adversary out of their seat. an ugly picture, but...

JMO...

 

[SCHMAE]

BBM

he hasn't made a slip up that we are aware of at this point in time. He's been avoiding the media completely and staying well out of the limelight, I wonder if he has been staying out of the public eye mostly and do we know if he attended the dinner that was held to help raise reward money to find Dylan?

I agree with you,, that we're aware of.
There is a big probability that LE have
seen slipups if there were any or seen
evidence if there is any from the searches
in the home.

 

[nursebeeme]

Yes, that is exactly what a criminal lawyer would advise.:angel: The thing is do you want to help the investigation find your child if you are innocent? I perhaps may want a lawyer with me to answer questions if it was getting hostile, however I would not just stay home & clam-up. But we don't know if that is what he has been doing either.

If he failed the lst poly or it was inconclusive, judging by other cases he would be asked to do a 2nd & IMO common sense. He has a right to turn down taking one, so I don't believe that is considered not co-operating as polys are voluntary.

the first poly was before his exhaustive interview with LE... the one that LE said he did not have an attorney present (they also said he was cooperative and not a suspect)

If I failed a poly or it was inconclusive I would certainly retain a lawyer.. yet he did not. (re: the exhaustive interview that took place during the sw)

(also re: the UPI article minced words when sourcing the denver post article... which is upstream)

Of course that is just what I would do and my opinion.

It is my opinion that no one knows the results of those polys except LE... (just as they have said previously... that they are not releasing the results)

:twocents:


eta: (forgot the ITA as per your post Dee)

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Fairly sure that comment was directed at me, but I would like to say that I meant no offense to anyone who doesn't want to take pictures of themselves, their children, their vacations, or anything else. I was merely pointing out that photographs are a marvelous thing to have...for others, for future generations, for yourself, in times you just wish to have a face or a place to reminisce about a loved one who is no longer with us or an event that reminds us of happy times. If not, that's your prerogative...but, IMO, it would also be your loss.
I really don't care one bit that MR has no FB page. Means nothing more than maybe he just isn't a sociable guy. As far as FB, my own page is not sleuthable...set to friends only. Most of the people I know have (at minimum) set the security on their family photos to private to protect their children. I'm not suggesting that anyone who isn't at least somewhat computer savvy run out and download 100 pictures on FB without knowing how to handle security issues. My point was simple. Photographs and taking photographs are the "norm"....you may disagree, but I'm pretty sure with all the camera phones, FB pages, Pinterest accounts, Tumbler, blogs and personal photographs everywhere, I rest my case.

You cant get any more sociable than my hubby however he does not have a FB page nor wants one. I do however.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

If LE believes that a random abductor (or heck anyone other than family) is involved then they are doing Dylan, MR and the whole community a great disservice. If they have reason to believe that MR is telling the truth then they owe it to him to say so. The man is getting viciously ripped to shreds and LE's careful wording anytime he is mentioned is a large factor in that. It would be a great injustice if they are allowing him to suffer through this level of speculation without cause. I would be extremely disappointed to discover that they have grounds to publicly clear him but are not taking the opportunity to do so.

We dont know if he is getting visciously ripped in his community and how he is getting ripped to shreds on the internet is of no interest to LE. They arent in the PR business to promote or support anyone. Their goal is to find Dylan.

LE has left many innocent parents twisting in the wind until and if the case of the missing child was solved. This one is no different than the vast majority of others. Heck they wont even rule Elaine or Cody out publicly. Just their SOP, imo.

I dont think they are carefully wording anything. They are telling it like it is and Mark Redwine is not considered a suspect. It cant get any clearer than that, imo.

Well you would have wound up highly disappointed in a lot of cases where it happened to innocent parents in the same situation.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

the first poly was before his exhaustive interview with LE... the one that LE said he did not have an attorney present (they also said he was cooperative and not a suspect)

If I failed a poly or it was inconclusive I would certainly retain a lawyer.. yet he did not. (re: the exhaustive interview that took place during the sw)

(also re: the UPI article minced words when sourcing the denver post article... which is upstream)

Of course that is just what I would do and my opinion.

It is my opinion that no one knows the results of those polys except LE... (just as they have said previously... that they are not releasing the results)

:twocents:


eta: (forgot the ITA as per your post Dee)

I agree and we all know that LE can lie and tell you whatever results they want to tell you anyway.

As I look back now I no more believe Steve Greone or Ruthie Lunsford failed a part of their poly like LE told them they did. I think they each were told that to keep them twisting in the wind.

 

[SCHMAE]

I posted a week or so ago *( i'll repeat in case someone did not see) I was watching a show on ID and there was a very good suspect in a murder case and he got an inconclusive on a poly and the next time another inconclusive. To LE it looked very shady and possibly guilty, so they hired an EXPERT examiner to do a 3rd poly and this fellow found the suspect to have a heart murmur and said people with heart murmurs can never give ' true' results on a poly and they are often inconclusive or even false FAILURES . Heart murmurs are not terribly uncommon among the general population.
Food for thought !

 

[PaulR]

I'd like to know if MR had done an anger management course in recent years, his demeanour in his interviews appears super calm and tighlty controlled, not at all like someone who had been charged with menacing on two occasions and not what is generally perceived as natural for a father who has lost a son who 'meant the world to him'.

I would not be surprised.

Also:

From what I've heard of Mark in the past, his actions remind me of alcoholics. From the way Mark seems to be acting now, it reminds me of recovering alcoholics. If so, I sincerely hope that he continues with that, even with all the stress of losing his son.

 

[NC Analyzer]

I have been more inclined to focus on MR since the word go in this. I've also looked at random abductor. A lot of things seem to keep ' not adding up ' for MR though and I still think he could likely be involved. But this morning I'm thinking the more time goes by the LESS likely it is MR is involved. The possible drunken, accidental physical confrontation theory....... that seemed like a good idea at the beginning , seems less and less plausible now. LE has focused on him heavily and talked with and searched all of his stuff. If there is nothing anywhere to indicate he did it, then he probably did not. In this amount of time, almost EIGHT weeks of heavy scrutiny, something would have come up right? So I'm thinking the further away from Dylan' disappearance , the more likely someone other than MR is involved.
Thoughts? Agree?
Disagree?

Disagree. Just because we don't know if anything was found, doesn't mean "nothing" was found. Perhaps not enough to bring charges, but enough to cast doubt.
IF nothing was found, it also doesn't mean MR isn't responsible for whatever happened to Dylan. It just means nothing was found. WS pages are full of cases where the perp is fairly obvious, yet no one has been arrested. There are many cases where there wasn't enough evidence is available to make an arrest. There are many cases that have gone MUCH longer than 8 weeks before an arrest is made. There are many cases where the Defacto Suspect isn't exactly a rocket scientist but they still probably got away with a crime due to lack of physical or forensic evidence. Putting someone under intense scrutiny doesn't necessarily result in a confession or a conclusion.

 

[mmmagique]

i feel the same way, but...you don't have to be a brain surgeon to commit the 'perfect' crime, kwim? perps come in all shapes, sizes, and levels of intelligence. and most aren't so 'level'...

re: what eileen just said...if all the evidence is with dylan, there's nothing to go on.

besides, if you're fighting in a car...with your spouse, your kids, or your kids' are fighting...generally speaking, one pulls over. "if i have to get out of this car!!!" kind of threat. to engage in a physical fight, one pulls over, stops, and drags the adversary out of their seat. an ugly picture, but...

JMO...

The Waterville three, the Cummings, The Irwins, there are many suspected murderers, and they're not all bright. In fact, some seem downright slow, but they're not locked up yet. (well, at least not for murder)

 

[NC Analyzer]

We dont know if he is getting visciously ripped in his community and how he is getting ripped to shreds on the internet is of no interest to LE. They arent in the PR business to promote or support anyone. Their goal is to find Dylan.

LE has left many innocent parents twisting in the wind until and if the case of the missing child was solved. This one is no different than the vast majority of others. Heck they wont even rule Elaine or Cody out publicly. Just their SOP, imo.

I dont think they are carefully wording anything. They are telling it like it is and Mark Redwine is not considered a suspect. It cant get any clearer than that, imo.

Well you would have wound up highly disappointed in a lot of cases where it happened to innocent parents in the same situation.

IMO

Just because LE publicly states someone isn't a person of interest, it doesn't actually means they aren't a suspect. LE doesn't always name a person of interest and LE doesn't always rule out people that aren't a person of interest. It means very little.