CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #25

[Dee10]

I know that any one of us would take a poly in order to "clear" ourselves and demonstrate our foremost desire to find out what happened to our child.

But -- do lawyers advise people not to take them?

I had to take a very thorough and intensive one many years ago. It came back "inconclusive" on several items that, as God is my witness, I was not involved in. However, my anxiety level about taking this test was off the charts. Ultimately I got through it, but vowed never to take one again.

The same way some criminals apparently can "fool" the test (how someone can do that is beyond me) -- I know there are those of us who walk around feeling anxious in general. Though the testers understood my anxiety, they still had to justify the "inconclusive" (i.e. that I may have consorted with communists ... mmhmm...right).

Thoughts?

It is my understanding the skill of the polygrapher is of the upmost importance. I assume MR's polygraph was given by an FBI trained specialist, as they were officially on the case a week before the NG show.

 

[Salem]

I don't think they found any forensic evidence of anything conclusive.
So, what are they going to say?

This is what I think after watching the video. There is no evidence at this point against MR - except that he was the last one to see Dylan. There was absolutely NO reason for ER to take back what she said previously, no reason. She could have left that alone or deflected the question.

As for Cory - he said he went on many trips with his dad and there was NO reason to think something bad would happen. Cory does seem frustrated about MR's not helping to move the case along.

The last we heard from LE - they said MR was fully cooperating. It would be really nice if LE would update us on this point because it seems that Cory does not think his dad is "fully cooperating."

I'm wondering if things have changed on this "cooperating" front?

Salem

PS - how nice to get a new video/scrap of info. It was dated yesterday, correct?

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

IF MR failed a first polygraph, or it was inconclusive and he is totally innocent, it might be in his best interest to take another one to try to clear himself completely. Perhaps there was just one question that he failed miserably or perhaps all questions were inconclusive.

 

[nursebeeme]

Working around the clock means what? What exactly are they doing? People don't see them out and about town working around the clock to find Dylan.

I think the smartest thing Elaine can do at this point is talk to the media. Keep talking Elaine!

I completely believe that they are working around the clock... but it is not searching; it is working what they do have (tips, leads, video, evidence; case building, etc etc etc)

Their silence to the public is not anything new (compared to other cases I have followed)

silence to the media doesn't equal not actively working.


:twocents:


I agree that ER should continue talking to the media... maybe it will have some sort of effect.

I really liked her approach yesterday... IF mr had something to do with this the way she initially reacted in the media might have been a big mistake in terms of getting him to cooperate. (not blaming her... I would have initially reacted the same way) The soft approach imhoo is the way to go and I sincerely hope it works.

 

[nursebeeme]

clarification on forensics:

I am also referring to cell phone forensics etc

I think that will play a huge part of this case after it is all said and done.

They will be able to ping MR's cell phone and the TIMES. In other words say he claims to get home at 8pm but his phone is still pinging near the airport or the store, etc.

Is that enough to arrest someone? No... but it certainly builds a case


(***this is just an example***)

I do think that they have forensics that help them out here.. jmhoo however.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I completely believe that they are working around the clock... but it is not searching; it is working what they do have (tips, leads, video, evidence; case building, etc etc etc)

Their silence to the public is not anything new (compared to other cases I have followed)

silence to the media doesn't equal not actively working.


:twocents:


I agree that ER should continue talking to the media... maybe it will have some sort of effect.

I really liked her approach yesterday... IF mr had something to do with this the way she initially reacted in the media might have been a big mistake in terms of getting him to cooperate. (not blaming her... I would have initially reacted the same way) The soft approach imhoo is the way to go and I sincerely hope it works.

BBM

I agree and I think she realizes she's not going to get cooperation from MR by attacking him. I think she was trying to appeal to him as her ex husband and father of the child. And I think this is a much wiser approach. Just the fact that he won't even talk to her when THEIR SON that they made together (assuming out of love) is missing is just so mind blowing to me. Put all differences aside and do what's best to find you're child!

 

[The Cheese]

I completely believe that they are working around the clock... but it is not searching; it is working what they do have (tips, leads, video, evidence; case building, etc etc etc)

Their silence to the public is not anything new (compared to other cases I have followed)

silence to the media doesn't equal not actively working.


:twocents:


I agree that ER should continue talking to the media... maybe it will have some sort of effect.

I really liked her approach yesterday... IF mr had something to do with this the way she initially reacted in the media might have been a big mistake in terms of getting him to cooperate. (not blaming her... I would have initially reacted the same way) The soft approach imhoo is the way to go and I sincerely hope it works.

The police are not silent. Sorry, but I have press releases and news articles and videos with them answering reporter inquiries.

So far as what they're doing, this is from the most recent press release from Saturday -

all LPCSO Investigators are
still assigned to the case as well as working other criminal cases. Investigators continue to make
follow up contacts by phone and in person.
As tips and other information become available, some are assigned to other Task Force members
which include investigators from Durango Police Department, Bayfield Marshal’s Office,
Colorado Bureau of Investigation, and the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

I don't have a link, because I got it from the Sheriff's office (Bender) by email. The press release was an attachment to the email, and is on Sheriff's office letterhead.

 

[Redux]

<snipped> It's all about opinions at this point, which is why we are all mooing at each other constantly.

ITA with your post, and this part cracked me up. Thanks for the laugh.

 

[nursebeeme]

The police are not silent. Sorry, but I have press releases and news articles and videos with them answering reporter inquiries.

So far as what they're doing, this is from the most recent press release from Saturday -

all LPCSO Investigators are
still assigned to the case as well as working other criminal cases. Investigators continue to make
follow up contacts by phone and in person.
As tips and other information become available, some are assigned to other Task Force members
which include investigators from Durango Police Department, Bayfield Marshal’s Office,
Colorado Bureau of Investigation, and the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

I don't have a link, because I got it from the Sheriff's office (Bender) by email. The press release was an attachment to the email, and is on Sheriff's office letterhead.

should have said, "silence on case details"

 

[The Cheese]

I just did a comparison and this news article is an exact copy of the most recent press release from police (January 5th) -

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...e-tips-dwindle-cbi-processes-evidence-in-case

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

At this point if Elaine is smart she will try to appeal to MR's sensitive side. She should bring up memories of how they once loved each other, how they were so happy the day Dylan was born, memories of silly things Dylan did as a child. She should apologize for the things she said accusing him in the beginning...she was just upset. She should tell him she knows how much he loves Dylan and how she knows he could never hurt him and tell him that they need to work together to find their son. I think her interview showed signs of this. And I think this is very smart of her. She needs to beg MR to work with her.

JMHO of course!

 

[Confusion]

we will have to agree to disagree then because I've seen members also consider RSO's, wild animals, vacationers, hitchhiking, abduction by other family members, hiding out at a friends house, hiding out in a vacant property etc

the lack of phone activity on the sunday night is the sticking point for me

I've seen members consider all of those things, and more, but after one or two posts the subject seems to change to how that theory can't be right because it doesn't involve MR. I personally find the lack of phone activity easy enough to explain, but there are a couple of other things that bother me a bit. I'll just have to keep thinking on them, I guess.

MOO

 

[azgrandma]

Shouldn't this thread be about Dylan not MR? It's one thing to be allowed to sleuth him, it's another to make the thread entirely about him when he's not even a suspect according to LE.

It seems like the goal of this thread is to turn him into a suspect. MOO

BBM - I believe that the goal is Dylan, yes this thread should be about Dylan and not MR, however, since MR is the last to have seen him then discussing him would be natural. MOO

What about this ?

''Though her frustration with Mark is clear, she doesn't believe he would hurt their son.

"In my mind, I can't fathom a parent hurting their own child. I don't want to believe I picked so wrong that my ex-husband could hurt our son. So no, I don't believe that," said Elaine.'''

Also how could MR's lack of taking an LDT or talking to LE keep the process from moving forward? Unless LE is focused on him and won't look at other possibilities until he is totally cleared?

BBM - IMO, MOO, all the OO's, if your child is missing you have options. You can allow LE and the general public and whomever else wants to, speculate on you. Or, you can clear your name so that the focus can be on your child.

I am NOT saying that MR is right or wrong in his actions and inactions. I AM saying that I, as a parent, would do everything in my power to eliminate myself as soon as possible.
The first person/people that are suspect are those closest to the victim, LE starts with the victim and works their way out. (That is UNLESS there is obvious reasons such as a witness seeing Joe Blow the kidnapper taking the child.) With that in mind, why wouldn't you, as a person in the inner circle of the investigation want to clear yourself so that the next person can be reviewed?

<modsnip>
As much as some of you all want to believe otherwise, I am NOT an ex with an axe to grind, with an agenda, disgruntled, or anything. As with anyone else on here, you are free to scroll right past.

IMO, the obvious needs to be looked at.
Dylan was last seen publicly at Walmart
Dylan's phone has not been used since 8 pm November 18, 2012
Dylan's clothing is missing
Dylan's electronics are missing
MR's attorney appt on November 19, 2012 was confirmed by LE
MR s/w a friend of Dylan's around 4 pm November 19
Dylan was reported missing around 6 pm November 19

The ONLY information received other than that has come from MR, the playing catch, speaking in the morning, the cereal bowl, the tv on nickelodeon, the fishing pole, MR texting DR. Twisting and turning any of it to "fit" your conclusion just doesn't work.

IMO, any parent that won't speak with the other parent during a crisis concerning their child is absolutely cruel and heartless.
All of this is IMO, MOO, IMHO etc.

 

[Abby Normal Again]

I think MR's statements and forensics are lining up for LE. I just base that on the language during the search being "we're not calling him a suspect" to the language after the search that they found nothing helpful, he's still cooperative and that he is not considered a suspect. That phrasing change has been consistent since the search from what I can tell. It makes me think what he says has been checking out. (Note: doesn't mean he didn't do it, just that they have no legit indication he did)

I think ER (understandably) shot herself in the foot by calling him out that first week. I think he shut down to her, but from all LE accounts has not shut down to them. Thank goodness. If he needs a 2nd poly, he needs to get it done. He just does, no time for worrying about your own fate right now, MR.

I hope he's shut down to her because he's falling apart in grief, but it's not the only possibility. I hope LE is coming down hard on anyone who is not doing as they need them to.

 

[kkdj]

I don't think anything is going to draw MR out . He has made his stance and I can not see that changing until something pops up that clears him or indicates its him.


MOO

I agree with this. Mark has made up his mind. Question is, why? Doesn't feel comfortable in front of the media, vindictiveness, has something to hide, atty, or because his ex wife has all the answers?
It's amazing to me (if true) that he is not even speaking with Cory. This is a family affair, they all need each other thru this! Jmo

 

[nursebeeme]

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new article about the reward increase

**thank you anonymous donors!**

 

[kkdj]

It is my understanding the skill of the polygrapher is of the upmost importance. I assume MR's polygraph was given by an FBI trained specialist, as they were officially on the case a week before the NG show.

I have been told by an attorney friend to never agree to a polygraph. But I sure as heck would if my child were missing!

 

[Abby Normal Again]

I have been told by an attorney friend to never agree to a polygraph. But I sure as heck would if my child were missing!

I so agree. I've been told the same thing, but it's one of those things when your kids are missing. I can't imagine not agreeing to whatever they wanted.

 

[i8mypaint]

http://www.krdo.com/news/Redwine-fa...ance/-/417220/18076238/-/npdmtsz/-/index.html

Am I hearing Cory correct, does he say at about 1:26 that Mark will not take a polygraph? Cory also seems frustrated about Mark not doing things to further the process. Although the reporter did say at the end that Mark did take a polygraph. it makes me wonder if Cory is referring to a follow-up polygraph? (not sure)

IMO Cory seemed to want to say more. I do think LE has told Elaine and Cory to be careful about anything they say against Mark. Again MOO

I just saw this video, I feel so sad for them. Cory looks so angry. I would really like to see the unedited version of this. Seems like Cory had a lot to say that they cut out.

 

[rebeccaeee]

I spent some time with google maps yesterday trying to determine the best route to have walked away from MR's house. If Dylan went walking, what would he have seen? Who would have seen him? The area is plenty rural. Houses set off back from the road a bit, regulars used to vacationers due to the number of cabins/lodge houses for rent in the immediate vacinity. Also a large resort style property. I know it is the off season and most of those properties were empty. Also know the search teams invesitgated and cleared cabins/lodges during that week. They were looking for a boy or an obvious crime scene and found neither. To get to CR 500 and CR 501, you have to pass by dozens of properties, residential and touristy, a few stores(including the Lake Vellecito country market) and a church. the 3-4 miles to even get to the lake also includes the Shanck House restaurant which doesn't open until 11 but probably has employees on site prior to that. Someone would have seen him walking, if he were walking.

If he was quickly picked up by someone, it would have had to have been someone who very deliberately was in the area. Lake area residents who said "one way in, one way out" are right. The one way out does not begin until you get beyond the lake.

I try now and then to imagine alternative scenarios. I check my guts against reason/logic/statistics. It does not mean a predator (known to Dylan or not) could not have been in the area and picked him up undetected that morning. But likely? I think not.