CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #25

[TxJan1971]

You may have read it in a comment family friend Denise Hess (under her FB name Katt) wrote as a response to an inflammatory comment a daughter of Mark's friend posted on a Nancy Grace story about Dylan (I know, it's confusing).

FYI, we are not allowed to discuss that here because of the inflammatory nature of the original comment and because this stuff falls under the class of Facebook rumours.

Thanks! I'm not sure that's where I read it....I can always delete my post. I thought we were allowed to link to Facebook (the FMDR site) and paraphrase???

 

[NC Analyzer]

That's a big part of the problem. He doesn't seem that unreasonable to me considering the circumstances. If my adult child and my ex both accused me of hurting my child, or worse, and the press not only printed their accusations, but added their own rumors to it, I wouldn't care to speak with any of them either. As long as he is speaking with LE, and cooperating with them (which they say he is), I see no reason for him to be required to subject himself to more criticism, insults, accusations and rumors just to appease the general public or the people who have engaged in the actions. JMO

Well, it would be very unfortunate for you to end up defending yourself in a court of law because they do explain the term "reasonable person" as the legal standard for the jury to follow and utilize in their decision making. A defense attorney has a very difficult time convincing jurors otherwise. People do tend to follow predictable and defining psychological patterns. You may not agree with the legal standard, but once again we are subjected to the ole, "it is what it is". Of course, JMO

 

[belimom]

Okay, I've read a little more and it has refreshed my memory from the early days. The lack of activity on his cell phone leads me to believe that he did not hitchhike. I believe he would've contacted a friend or two while he was hitch hiking, especially if he was supposed to have met them the night before but changed his plans to meet them that morning. JMO

 

[TxJan1971]

See, that's what I thought, too. I hope you find something on this. It is unusual that the husband has both properties. ER must not have cared all that much about these properties. JMO

If I recall, and I am willing to stand corrected, one of the properties had a fire and had to be refurbished (?) and I think ER was moving to Colorado Springs and probably unloaded both just to settle.... (?)

Mark Redwine worked at United Pipeline Systems in April 2010 when a kitchen fire caused heavy damage to his house. The person who answered the telephone Tuesday at the company in Bodo Industrial Park said, “I’m not going to give out any information at this time” when asked if Redwine still is employed there.

http://www.durangoherald.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20121127/NEWS01/121129662/Search-changes-focus--&template=printpicart


I assume that if the fire was in "his" house in 2010 - it must have been the Vallecito home.

 

[Old_Hippie]

Here's what is in MSM and then what was said on Nancy Grace:

Mark said he tried texting Dylan all afternoon in an area with spotty cell phone service.

When he didn't hear anything back by late afternoon, he went to Dylan's friend's house in Vallecito. That friend hadn't seen him.

Mark became alarmed and drove the 20 miles to Bayfield. Dylan's friends there hadn't seen him either. Mark called Elaine Redwine and went to the Bayfield Marshal's Office.

http://www.canoncitydailyrecord.com/ci_22110078/dad-its-wait-wonder

versus

NANCY GRACE TRANSCRIPT
"GRACE: Everyone, taking your calls is Dylan`s mother. Now, Ms. Redwine, was -- did there come a time when you learned that Dylan was missing? How did that happen?

REDWINE: Well, his dad texted me at around, oh, 4:30. Maybe it was closer to 5:00 on Monday. And I texted him back. You know, it was like, Well, we should call the sheriff. So I went ahead and I actually called the sheriff that day. I don’t know if Mark had called the sheriff that day, either, but I called the sheriff right after I got the text from Mark. I went to my house, picked up a bag, grabbed my oldest son, Corey (ph), and we came to Durango."

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../03/ng.01.html


LE Bender made a statement (in a previous post of mine) that MR notified the Sheriff's Office at 6:00 p.m. I'll find the link if necessary.

Thanks for the info. I don't require a link.

So, ER notified LE first. That's what I was thinking. MR notified them around an hour later, finally. I guess I just don't understand and can't relate to his lack of urgency.

(Thanks for the gig!)

 

[Confusion]

Thanks for the info. I don't require a link.

So, ER notified LE first. That's what I was thinking. MR notified them around an hour later, finally. I guess I just don't understand and can't relate to his lack of urgency.

(Thanks for the gig!)

MR went to the Marshall's office, and ER called the Sheriff's office sometime after he had contacted her.

 

[Dixie811]

I thought the property ER deeded to him in the divorce is down in Bayfield proper on Windmill Drive (currently owned by MR but not occupied by him). The Vallecito property is his alone and I do not think the family ever lived there.

Just jumping off your post...

I think Dylan would have stayed at MR's home when he was in town for visitation in September. So while it may not be as comfortable of an area for him as home, we know of at least one other visit when he stayed at the house... so I would say he is at least somewhat familiar.

IMO.

 

[TxJan1971]

MR went to the Marshall's office, and ER called the Sheriff's office sometime after he had contacted her.

Respectfully, do you have a link for that to confirm who said that? I found this link below, but

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_22108222/dad-its-wait-wonder

If we're going to be consistent and prefer direct quotes from LE to validate, then it appears a "reporter" stated that MR went to the Marshall's Office but it doesn't come from LE and it doesn't state a specific time so that information would be kind of useless in the grand scheme.

We have ER's words on Nancy Grace what she said she did (call the Sheriff's office when she finished speaking to Mark). I feel that the statement by Lt. Bender is more factual since it came from his mouth that MR notified LE at 6:00 p.m.

Just a thought unless you have a better link than I was able to find. TIA

 

[Dixie811]

Before I play devil's advocate about MR I would like to say that I DO see it as very possible that MR had something to do with Dylan's disappearance. But because so many people on here are already favoring that angle (understandably), I am also attempting to keep an open mind and think about some other possibilities-- to be thorough!

:truce:

IMO:

I have worked as a bereavement counselor and I am educated on grief. Grief can occur when any type of major loss occurs. This of course would include a missing child. Any educational material you read about grief will tell you that there is no such thing as a normal way for a person to act while grieving. My point here is that I have been educated never to judge a grieving person's behaviors... people do crazy things when they are grieving.

This is why I place much more importance on the other circumstances that may implicate MR has knowledge of what happened to Dylan; and do not put much stock into MR's actions in the public eye since the disappearance.

This is all MOO from my own experience. Just throwing my :twocents: in.

 

[NC Analyzer]

I would just like to add this as food for thought:
I do recall a few parents of missing children become so overwhelmed, especially in the very beginning of a case, that they absolutely couldn't cope with the press very well. In those cases, a "family spokesperson" was asked to do the job for them. The spokesperson provides statements to the press on behalf of the family and often takes questions. IMO, There is no excuse for MR remaining silent in this case.

 

[Tennlyn]

I'm practically a hermit. When my cat goes missing, I'm out searching and asking everyone if they've seen him. If my child was missing, no way would I be hiding in my little cabin waiting for others to find him. I don't care how hard it is on me with my anxieties and other issues, I would be begging the world to help find my baby.

Unless of course, I didn't want my child found. :moo:

 

[Old_Hippie]

BBM. Good grief! I don't think your concerns have much to do with finding Dylan and I sure hope MR doesn't think like this! This isn't about him and he has even said he will be fine! He isn't some poor, pitiful, whimpy man who can't speak out and defend himself. He's a grown man with a missing son! Why is it so important what "everyone" thinks of him? Who cares?
What is important right now is finding Dylan. Whatever that takes. If he was so concerned about what 'everyone' thinks of him, maybe he should consider doing something about that. Being active in his son's investigation, helping with the fundraisers, giving a MSM interview (in an environment he controls, if necessary), anything besides silence! This isn't about MR. This is about finding Dylan and MR should suck it up and deal with it. JMO, MOO, OMOO, and all that good stuff.

Exactly! It's past time to put on the "big boy" pants. I always ask myself, "What would Marc Klaas do?"

http://www.klaaskids.org/pg-missingchildren.htm

What To Do If Your Child Disappears
The days when a kidnapped child’s family sat passively waiting for a ransom demand are simply the unwelcome memory of failed policy. If your child is missing and you just don’t know where to turn or what to do, empower yourself to engage the battle as if it were a matter of life and death. Unfortunately, those may very well be the stakes when predators kidnap children in 21st Century America.

If your child is disappearing at the rate of one mile per minute, you must move forward quickly and decisively. Pursuing a holistic approach that encompasses the missing child’s family, law enforcement, media and volunteer services with the common goal of recovering the kidnapped child encourages cooperation and teamwork and may represent your best chance for success.

MR has stated that he feels that Dylan may have tried to hitchhike and been abducted. This public and free document is a wonderful guideline for how to help your child. Does MR really believes what he says? If so, then all this wasted time and laying low is not an appropriate or helpful course to take, IMO.

LE has said that Dylan didn't run away, wasn't taken by a local SO, and they feel he is a victim of an "abduction and/or foul play." They are calling this a "criminal investigation." So, isn't about time to be proactive for Dylan?

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

Before I play devil's advocate about MR I would like to say that I DO see it as very possible that MR had something to do with Dylan's disappearance. But because so many people on here are already favoring that angle (understandably), I am also attempting to keep an open mind and think about some other possibilities-- to be thorough!

:truce:

IMO:

I have worked as a bereavement counselor and I am educated on grief. Grief can occur when any type of major loss occurs. This of course would include a missing child. Any educational material you read about grief will tell you that there is no such thing as a normal way for a person to act while grieving. My point here is that I have been educated never to judge a grieving person's behaviors... people do crazy things when they are grieving.

This is why I place much more importance on the other circumstances that may implicate MR has knowledge of what happened to Dylan; and do not put much stock into MR's actions in the public eye since the disappearance.

This is all MOO from my own experience. Just throwing my :twocents: in.

Thank you for your service as a bereavement counselor. I have been in touch with a number of excellent counselors thru volunteering at hospice and i admire them so much.

 

[TxJan1971]

Before I play devil's advocate about MR I would like to say that I DO see it as very possible that MR had something to do with Dylan's disappearance. But because so many people on here are already favoring that angle (understandably), I am also attempting to keep an open mind and think about some other possibilities-- to be thorough!

:truce:

IMO:

I have worked as a bereavement counselor and I am educated on grief. Grief can occur when any type of major loss occurs. This of course would include a missing child. Any educational material you read about grief will tell you that there is no such thing as a normal way for a person to act while grieving. My point here is that I have been educated never to judge a grieving person's behaviors... people do crazy things when they are grieving.

This is why I place much more importance on the other circumstances that may implicate MR has knowledge of what happened to Dylan; and do not put much stock into MR's actions in the public eye since the disappearance.

This is all MOO from my own experience. Just throwing my :twocents: in.

I respect your opinion and thoughts! Thank you for sharing!!!

I have a question about grief but am having difficulty formulating my question, so until I gather my thoughts ...

 

[Veidt]

IIRC it was the last 3 years that MR hadn't spent much time with Dylan, the reason given was that MR was away for work a lot.

but IMO 3 years ago was when CR turned 18, so could it be possible that visits dropped off because dylan didn't want to go on his own?

I remember reading something to that effect, that one of the reasons (the other two being MR's work and then the move) why Dylan didn't see MR often was that after CR turned 18 he didn't like going alone. I think the wording may have been something about how it was less fun. I don't have the link so IMO.

JMO - Dylan not wanting to go without his brother doesn't necessarily mean that something strange was happening (though it very well could at least mean that Dylan and his father weren't close), just that he preferred having CR to hang out with while visiting MR.

 

[Confusion]

Respectfully, do you have a link for that to confirm who said that? I found this link below, but
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We have ER's words on Nancy Grace what she said she did (call the Sheriff's office when she finished speaking to Mark). I feel that the statement by Lt. Bender is more factual since it came from his mouth that MR notified LE at 6:00 p.m.

Just a thought unless you have a better link than I was able to find. TIA

I don't know what it is that you're disagreeing with me about. You just posted the same thing I did.

ETA: I do have a link for the other part, if that's what you meant.

Mark became alarmed and drove the 20 miles to Bayfield. Dylan's friends there hadn't seen him either. Mark called Elaine Redwine and went to the Bayfield Marshal's Office.

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_22108222/dad-its-wait-wonder

 

[TxJan1971]

I would just like to add this as food for thought:
I do recall a few parents of missing children become so overwhelmed, especially in the very beginning of a case, that they absolutely couldn't cope with the press very well. In those cases, a "family spokesperson" was asked to do the job for them. The spokesperson provides statements to the press on behalf of the family and often takes questions. IMO, There is no excuse for MR remaining silent in this case.

I agree. Someone posted previously that even in spite of what ER first said about MR, that person would TRY to unite for the sake of finding Dylan but that it would be extremely hard for them to do.

I TOTALLY agree that it would be extremely difficult due to what ER alleged initially. However, I don't understand why MR and/or any supporters he has wouldn't do "SOMETHING", "ANYTHING" on their OWN. Don't worry about what ER/CR/MH and everyone else is doing/saying. Do something on your OWN from YOUR side and just keep your face out there so people know you're not going away until your son is found!!!

That's the part that really bothers me. He really doesn't have to stand BESIDE ER to be a voice for his son. He had no problem telling the entire world that this wasn't about him and that he'll be fine and that everything's going to be okay with him. So why doesn't he suck it up and get out there and do SOMETHING to be noticed and let people know that he wants and needs their "help".

What parent chooses to sit at home doing nothing, KNOWING that your child is missing, maybe out in the cold, maybe dead, maybe in the hands of a RSO, and you CHOOSE to let "Everyone Else" find your child that went missing on your watch? WHO DOES THAT?

I guess I'm just from another planet because no matter how hard I try, I just can't give him a pass on remaining silent...

 

[TxJan1971]

I don't know what it is that you're disagreeing with me about. You just posted the same thing I did.

ETA: I do have a link for the other part, if that's what you meant.

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_22108222/dad-its-wait-wonder

Oh, I'm not disagreeing with you at all. I wanted to know what link you were referring to when you indicated MR went to the Marshall's office. I think I outlined my point in that the only link "I" could find (not knowing which one you had) was merely a statement by a reporter and not LE that MR went to the Marshall's Office and that it didn't give a time so we couldn't use that in a timeline type of thing. That's all.

Not to worry.

 

[Dee10]

I agree. Someone posted previously that even in spite of what ER first said about MR, that person would TRY to unite for the sake of finding Dylan but that it would be extremely hard for them to do.

I TOTALLY agree that it would be extremely difficult due to what ER alleged initially. However, I don't understand why MR and/or any supporters he has wouldn't do "SOMETHING", "ANYTHING" on their OWN. Don't worry about what ER/CR/MH and everyone else is doing/saying. Do something on your OWN from YOUR side and just keep your face out there so people know you're not going away until your son is found!!!

That's the part that really bothers me. He really doesn't have to stand BESIDE ER to be a voice for his son. He had no problem telling the entire world that this wasn't about him and that he'll be fine and that everything's going to be okay with him. So why doesn't he suck it up and get out there and do SOMETHING to be noticed and let people know that he wants and needs their "help".

What parent chooses to sit at home doing nothing, KNOWING that your child is missing, maybe out in the cold, maybe dead, maybe in the hands of a RSO, and you CHOOSE to let "Everyone Else" find your child that went missing on your watch? WHO DOES THAT?

I guess I'm just from another planet because no matter how hard I try, I just can't give him a pass on remaining silent...

Reminds of Debra B. in the Baby Lisa case. That case has yet to be solved. IIRC she had poly issues as well.

 

[Salem]

The SNARKY, smart-azzy back and forth needs to stop now. Enough already.

The bickering over "what someone supposes is the best course of action" with NOTHING from MSM or LE to indicate that the parents/family are or are not doing those things is just silly, quite frankly.

Knock it off!

Salem