CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #26

[Psychic Sleuth]

And another question; IF MR's phone had gps data that showed he was anywhere other than where he stated from say 6pm Sunday to 12pm Monday, would that be enough for an arrest?

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Sorry, I'm not allowed to discuss it. I think it's safe to say that phones with GPS work differently, but Dylan's didn't have it.

BBM

Huh? You aren't allowed to discuss it? I realize Dylan's didn't have gps but MR's might right?

 

[Confusion]

BBM

Huh? You aren't allowed to discuss it? I realize Dylan's didn't have gps but MR's might right?

Nothing has ever been said about MR's phone other than questions as far as I know. It may have GPS, or it may not. I'm trying not to assume silence from LE about any issue means anything one way or the other, but sometimes it's hard. There's a lot more that they haven't said than there is that they've said. MOO

 

[scorekeeper]

I'm thinking information gathered off Mark's phone may be very important to the events of Sunday night and right up until the time Dylan was reported missing.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

It is my understanding that MOST phones have gps nowadays. Even if they aren't smart phones. It's possible that MR's doesn't have gps but more likely that it does IMO.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I'm thinking information gathered off Mark's phone may be very important to the events of Sunday night and right up until the time Dylan was reported missing.

Agreed. Any my question is IF his phone records showed a variation from his statements would that be enough for an arrest? I don't know. I'm just curious what people's thoughts are on this.

 

[rebeccaeee]

Agreed. Any my question is IF his phone records showed a variation from his statements would that be enough for an arrest? I don't know. I'm just curious what people's thoughts are on this.

I would imagine that would justify further investigation but not an arrest. The burden of proof is on LE and inconsistencies are red flags, sure, but not enough IMO.

 

[scorekeeper]

Agreed. Any my question is IF his phone records showed a variation from his statements would that be enough for an arrest? I don't know. I'm just curious what people's thoughts are on this.

IDK. I'm thinking without finding a body and putting ALL the puzzle pieces together, it's not enough.

It's possible that Mark turned his phone on and off...........could always say was to conserve battery....

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

IDK. I'm thinking without finding a body and putting ALL the puzzle pieces together, it's not enough.

It's possible that Mark turned his phone on and off...........could always say was to conserve battery....

It is my understanding that even if he turned his phone off and IT HAD GPS it would still be trackable. I think there's a big difference between a phone with gps and one without. At least that's my understanding.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Has anyone read where cell phone company's save a customers location via GPS that LE can later retrieve? Also, do all phones with GPS capability store location information on the phone itself and if yes for how long?

 

[rebeccaeee]

It is my understanding that even if he turned his phone off and IT HAD GPS it would still be trackable. I think there's a big difference between a phone with gps and one without. At least that's my understanding.

Mine too although you can turn off the gps on an iphone, I believe.

 

[The Cheese]

Agreed. Any my question is IF his phone records showed a variation from his statements would that be enough for an arrest? I don't know. I'm just curious what people's thoughts are on this.

If that would be all they had, I'm not sure what they would charge him with. Let's say he said he was home asleep, and his gps showed traveling to Denver and back for example.

I don't know the CO statutes, but say there's a law about lying in the course of an investigation.

First, they would have to prove that it was MR taking his phone to Denver and back I think. I don't know. Maybe gps alone would be enough and they arrest him with some sort of obstruction charge. He'd probably bail out the same day.

Traveling to Denver in and of itself isn't a crime. I don't think it would accomplish anything. And if his gps showed him traveling somewhere, I'd think there would have been at least one search there. :twocents: :twocents:

 

[mck16]

Mine too although you can turn off the gps on an iphone, I believe.

It is my understanding that unless the battery is removed or is totally dead the phone will ping regardless of whether it has GPS or not.

GPS is used in tracking the phone's location. If there is no GPS then triagulation is used to track the phone. There are several good articles out there and they really are interesting. jmo

 

[scorekeeper]

It is my understanding that even if he turned his phone off and IT HAD GPS it would still be trackable. I think there's a big difference between a phone with gps and one without. At least that's my understanding.

:blushing: You're right about the phones with gps.

 

[Dee10]

I am assuming it is OK to post cell info. from a MSM article as long as you don't give as long as I don't give my personal opinion as I am not considered an expert in the field? If not Mods, please delete.

http://www.propublica.org/article/thats-no-phone.-thats-my-tracker

"Cellular systems constantly check and record the location of all phones on their networks — and this data is particularly treasured by police departments and online advertisers. Cell companies typically retain your geographic information for a year or longer, according to data gathered by the Justice Department.

Turning it off when you’re not using it will also help, because it will cease pinging your location to the cell company, but are you really going to do that? Shutting it down does not even guarantee it’s off — malware can keep it on without your realizing it. The only way to be sure is to take out the battery."

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

It is my understanding that unless the battery is removed or is totally dead the phone will ping regardless of whether it has GPS or not.

GPS is used in tracking the phone's location. If there is no GPS then triagulation is used to track the phone. There are several good articles out there and they really are interesting. jmo

That is what I read also. But Dylan's phone had no GPS. So at best all it would give is the last ping location. And by 'totally dead' you are referring to needing a new battery rather than needing to be charged correct? Also if the phone were smashed to bits or thrown in water the phone would be virtually useless and show no data correct?

That was what I thought, but LE made a statement (just posted on the last page) that Dylan's phone had been shut off as of 8pm Sunday and therefore they couldn't get any more information. (or something like that) That would not make sense to me unless the battery was removed or needed to be replaced or the phone was destroyed. I guess this is where my confusion comes in.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I am assuming it is OK to post cell info. from a MSM article as long as you don't give as long as I don't give my personal opinion as I am not considered an expert in the field? If not Mods, please delete.

http://www.propublica.org/article/thats-no-phone.-thats-my-tracker

"Cellular systems constantly check and record the location of all phones on their networks — and this data is particularly treasured by police departments and online advertisers. Cell companies typically retain your geographic information for a year or longer, according to data gathered by the Justice Department.

Turning it off when you’re not using it will also help, because it will cease pinging your location to the cell company, but are you really going to do that? Shutting it down does not even guarantee it’s off — malware can keep it on without your realizing it. The only way to be sure is to take out the battery."

Is this just referring to phones with GPS?

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

There is a difference between pinging and tracking gps coordinates and there is also a difference between a phone with GPS and one without. From what I can gather...

Pinging is when it bounces off towers and triangulation is used to narrow down a general location. Pings are available on phones with and without GPS but it only shows the last general area for a phone.

GPS gives an exact location of the phone. Obviously it is only available on phones with this ability and those with the GPS option turned on. (I know on my iphone I can turn it on or off) I suspect the companies storing geographical information for a year is referring to phones with GPS. I'm not 100% sure.

 

[mck16]

Is this just referring to phones with GPS?

I don't think this is the article I read, but I think it is true of all phones. Someone correct me if I am wrong. ty

all cell phones.

 

[Dee10]

http://www.propublica.org/article/thats-no-phone.-thats-my-tracker

[/quote] "Cellular systems constantly check and record the location of all phones on their networks — and this data is particularly treasured by police departments and online advertisers. Cell companies typically retain your geographic information for a year or longer, according to data gathered by the Justice Department.

Turning it off when you’re not using it will also help, because it will cease pinging your location to the cell company, but are you really going to do that? Shutting it down does not even guarantee it’s off — malware can keep it on without your realizing it. The only way to be sure is to take out the battery."[/quote]


I wouldn't think the BBM would apply to Dylan's phone. Very interesting article and there is a lot more info. there.