CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #26

[nursebeeme]

IMO there must be a reason why she thinks he is involved, maybe theres some sort of prior form?

I don't think it helps that they are not in communication with one another... I think it is just par for the course to assume the worst if you know nothing else (coupled with any past troubles they have had in their relationship).

:twocents:

 

[Tennlyn]

IMO there must be a reason why she thinks he is involved, maybe theres some sort of prior form?

Clearly ER knows what MR has done before, as does CR. I'll believe what CR says in recent interviews rather than month old, non-specific press releases. :moo:

 

[nursebeeme]

There was a kid found the other day who had been gone for 4 months. Of course, he ran away and he had someone who had taken him in and hid him from his parents.

this was the kid seajay was referring to about the two backpacks, I believe

 

[nursebeeme]

Clearly ER knows what MR has done before, as does CR. I'll believe what CR says in recent interviews rather than month old, non-specific press releases. :moo:

hopefully they will do another press release tomorrow (2 month anniversary)

hard to believe it has been two months :-(

(it seems like two years)

 

[princessk]

Well, she could conclude that he might be a bit angry because she's practically called him a murderer on national t.v. twice.

I doubt that he is set on punishing her, it's probably more of a self-preservation thing. It might help if she would realize that she isn't the only one hurting here. He is Dylan's father and he is also bearing the burden of being the last known person to see him alive. At least she's not going through the heartache of being a suspect in the public eye.

But by accusing him like she did, it made it even more difficult for him to initiate a conversation with her. How could she expect him to want to talk to her when she has said the things she has?

Seems to me that she is making this about her as well.

OK, well then let MR accuse ER of something........I bet she doesn't sit back and not speak to anyone.

 

[Tennlyn]

hopefully they will do another press release tomorrow (2 month anniversary)

hard to believe it has been two months :-(

(it seems like two years)

2 months? Wow...How many vigils and media appearances has Mark's family done? How active have they been in searching for Dylan and keeping his name out there?

ETA: I wonder what MR has told them about what happened. Wonder if they think Dylan is safe and that Elaine is just making too much out of this.

 

[azgrandma]

What's Elaine's goal? To get Mark to talk to her or confess to police?

IMO her one and only goal is to find her son.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

2 months? Wow...How many vigils and media appearances has Mark's family done? How active have they been in searching for Dylan and keeping his name out there?

ETA: I wonder what MR has told them about what happened. Wonder if they think Dylan is safe and that Elaine is just making too much out of this.

last count they have done sweet eff all.

Yes it would be interesting to hear what he has told his family, or if he's even said anything.

 

[scorekeeper]

2 months? Wow...How many vigils and media appearances has Mark's family done? How active have they been in searching for Dylan and keeping his name out there?

ETA: I wonder what MR has told them about what happened. Wonder if they think Dylan is safe and that Elaine is just making too much out of this.

Good point - ITA

Didn't Mark's brother come down and stay with him after Dylan disappeared?

Wonder why he never spoke to the media?

This makes me think that the only family Dylan has ever known is Elaine's side.....

 

[azgrandma]

I'm sure if she has any questions about what Mark told them, LE will be more than happy to answer them. I'm sure they asked him all the pertinent questions. Otherwise, what does she need to know???

She needs to know where her son is.
IMOO she wants to know everything, what did he eat, what did he watch on tv, did he brush his teeth, did you have a fight, was he mad, was he happy, was he sad. IMO it's not about questions that Mark may have told LE, they aren't the parent! MR & ER are the parents and MR can answer all those little trivial and parent important questions since he (even in his own words) saw him as late as 730 am on Monday morning.

IMO, it's not about MR, he even said this, it's about finding Dylan. So, IMO, speak with your ex, speak with you sons, put the differences aside, pull up your big boy pants and act like a man. When it's all over, go back to hating, disliking, whatever it is you want to do. IMO MR is making it about him because he won't speak with the most involved people, his ex, the mother of his child.
I'll tell you this much, if MY son was missing and MR had questions of me, I'd answer them.

 

[mmmagique]

It still bothers me that the FMDR page admin has two names. I mean who has an alias like that and switches back and forth between the two often giving the impression that you are two separate people. In my opinion it harms her credibilty. I don't know maybe I'm weird but I find that to be really strange.

:what:

I thought I read on there that there were two people? If not, you're right, that is odd!

 

[nursebeeme]

She needs to know where her son is.
IMOO she wants to know everything, what did he eat, what did he watch on tv, did he brush his teeth, did you have a fight, was he mad, was he happy, was he sad. IMO it's not about questions that Mark may have told LE, they aren't the parent! MR & ER are the parents and MR can answer all those little trivial and parent important questions since he (even in his own words) saw him as late as 730 am on Monday morning.

IMO, it's not about MR, he even said this, it's about finding Dylan. So, IMO, speak with your ex, speak with you sons, put the differences aside, pull up your big boy pants and act like a man. When it's all over, go back to hating, disliking, whatever it is you want to do. IMO MR is making it about him because he won't speak with the most involved people, his ex, the mother of his child.
I'll tell you this much, if MY son was missing and MR had questions of me, I'd answer them.

I agree.

He needs to have a discussion with ER. Even if they have a third party there that can moderate the discussion.

((it makes me nervous however that she accused him in the media again.. I don't think it does anything to facilitate conversation with MR.. not that it is her fault... if I were in her shoes you guys would be hearing bleep bleep bleep in place of all my swear words.. Her composure is incredible, really.))

 

[mmmagique]

She needs to know where her son is.
IMOO she wants to know everything, what did he eat, what did he watch on tv, did he brush his teeth, did you have a fight, was he mad, was he happy, was he sad. IMO it's not about questions that Mark may have told LE, they aren't the parent! MR & ER are the parents and MR can answer all those little trivial and parent important questions since he (even in his own words) saw him as late as 730 am on Monday morning.

IMO, it's not about MR, he even said this, it's about finding Dylan. So, IMO, speak with your ex, speak with you sons, put the differences aside, pull up your big boy pants and act like a man. When it's all over, go back to hating, disliking, whatever it is you want to do. IMO MR is making it about him because he won't speak with the most involved people, his ex, the mother of his child.
I'll tell you this much, if MY son was missing and MR had questions of me, I'd answer them.

Yep, and innocent people tend to go over and over those last days, hours, minutes. They WANT to talk to other people who know the missing person, they WANT to talk, discuss, go over, and break down every little thing. They feel they might be missing something, something important. They don't (imo) close up and refuse to talk. Unless they are afraid they will incriminate themselves.

 

[PaulR]

all bbm...but in fairness, there are an equal number of articles where LE themselves have declined to comment, refuse to discuss, etc...so perhaps despite the one on-camera interview in the video store, MR has simply chosen to speak only to LE who in turn chooses not to speak of MR. huh.

http://www.durangoherald.com/apps/p...2/Search-changes-focus--&template=printpicart
When approached at his home in Vallecito, Mark Redwine answered the door clutching a pillow. He declined to be interviewed, saying he had been “bombarded” by media requests.

http://www.gazette.com/articles/vallecito-147839-redwine-father.html
Mark Redwine’s half brother David Stone, who lives in Castle Rock, said Mark declined to comment on the latest developments because they had not heard about them.

http://www.krdo.com/news/Investigat...rance/-/417220/17558900/-/im35x1/-/index.html
Mark Redwine has refused to comment to the media.

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2012/11/...s-involved-in-13-year-old-boys-disappearance/
Mark Redwine declined to discuss the search for Dylan in an interview with the Durango Herald.

http://www.durangoherald.com/articl...id-not-run-away-police-say&template=mobileart
But when reached at his Vallecito home Wednesday morning, Redwine declined any possibility of more comment, saying he wanted the attention to stay on his son, not him. He declined to be formally interviewed.

And those are all talking about something that happened on November 26th. Check the dates the articles were written.

AFAIK some are saying he should say something now. So I'd like to know if he is still declining to comment.

 

[Eileen730]

Are you saying they know where his body is? Because wouldn't waiting months affect how much evidence is left? It seems cruel to just leave him wherever he is, and let his parents assume that he is still missing. I'm sure they would want to bury him.

Or are you saying he is still alive...and LE knows where he is? I don't see why they would have to wait until Spring to rescue him...

Yes I think they do know!
No they wont tell parents JUST IN CASE they are wrong.
I dont think they have a choice but to leave him where he is because they cant possibly get to him.

No I do not think hes alive I think his life ended the same time his cell did.

All JMO

 

[The Cheese]

Respectfully BBM.
It's my understanding LE ruled out runaway almost immediately, within a week at least.
I haven't seen anything that said he packed two backpacks and didn't like the rules, do you have a link? That's new to me TIA


Here's a quote from the paper, Durango Herald dtd 11/28/2012 - please forgive, I'm not sure how to provide links yet. I did bold what I felt was the answer to the question in regards to LE thinking he ran awy.

The law-enforcement task force canvassing the Vallecito community for clues to the disappearance of 13-year-old Dylan Redwine has discarded the possibility that he ran away Nov. 19 from his father’s home north of the reservoir, La Plata County Sheriff’s Office spokesman Dan Bender said Wednesday.

Missing teen may have been upset about order

“There’s a combination of factors,” Bender said. “There’s been the passage of time without any sightings; Dylan was not a visitor but had friends here; he has a history of staying in contact with his family and friends; and there’s been nothing on his cellphone record since he was reported missing.”

He said a million things were running through his head about what could have happened to his son. He said he doesn’t think Dylan ran away.

He has nothing and no one to run away from, Mark Redwine said.

What's referenced above is from Nov 19th, and not a direct quote.

Here's a more recent direct quote from police on Nov 29th -

"We've been doing a potential criminal investigation, looking at abduction, kidnapping or foul play. We haven't closed out the possibility he has run away and we're still going door to door. We have an absence of clues. It's a mystery, that's what makes it so frustrating," he said.
November 29th Dan Bender

Link and more info I previously gathered about what the police have said vs what reporters have said regarding running away -

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[PaulR]

ETA: I wonder what MR has told them about what happened. Wonder if they think Dylan is safe and that Elaine is just making too much out of this.

A few threads ago we had discussed a "what if MR kidnapped DR" scenario. The problem is "what's the endgame?" You can't keep a 13 year-old hostage forever, and as soon as you release him, he's going to talk and get his kidnappers arrested. MR didn't run away so he's obviously not with DR.

 

[asyousay]

The fact that he wont even help Cory out (his son) sums up who Mark is IMO.

Fair enough he does not like Elaine but he has another child here who wants his brother home and wants answers so i think he should be reaching out to him at least.

Yet by all accounts he is ignoring them both.

 

[PaulR]

Yep, and innocent people tend to go over and over those last days, hours, minutes. They WANT to talk to other people who know the missing person, they WANT to talk, discuss, go over, and break down every little thing. They feel they might be missing something, something important. They don't (imo) close up and refuse to talk. Unless they are afraid they will incriminate themselves.

The only people MR needs to go over a minute-by-minute timeline with is law enforcement, who have stated that the family is cooperating.

MR certainly does not need to give us a minute-by-minute account especially if the investigation is still ongoing. LE frequently holds back information, sometimes significant information, to be able to find the perp ("how could you have known X, nobody ever told you that?") There may be something in the timeline that is significant and we just don't know right now.

 

[PaulR]

I agree.

He needs to have a discussion with ER. Even if they have a third party there that can moderate the discussion.

Here's a question. What is more likely for ER to say to MR if they had a conversation:
1. Can you give me some information that will help find Dylan?
2. You either killed him yourself or you f'ed up and let him be taken!

From the media interviews she's given so far, I'd say (2), and if I was MR, I'd think it would not be constructive and I wouldn't subject myself to her rage.