CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #26

[Allusonz]

Why would you wait months to make a ransom demand ? , if that is the case.

Not all abductions are about ransom.

Sometimes there are other motivations/agendas as has been posted previously.

 

[JustJeannie]

LE has stated that they do not believe he ran away. I wonder how they came to that conclusion?

I think when I was about 12 I ran away. I packed my bag and walked to the end of the street and sat down and cried and returned home. I got scared. And the truth is I had a wonderful childhood and never had any reason to run away. LOL I threatened my Mom that I would run away and she said 'ok I'll help you pack' and she did and sent me on my way. Looking back now it's hysterical but I swear this is true. It's not uncommon for kids this age to think running away will solve all their problems.

BBM

Your mom was much nicer than I am. When my then 11 year old threatened to run away because his dad and I wouldn't let him do something he wanted to do, I told him to go ahead. He said, "Fine, I'm going to pack." I told him no he wasn't... that everything he owned his dad and I had bought for him, and if he wanted to leave us, he had to leave all that stuff behind because it belonged to us, since we had paid for it. And then I added, "That means the clothes you are wearing too. You came into our lives with nothing, if you're leaving our lives, you can leave the same way."

He stared at me for a second, trying to decide if I was serious, and then he stormed off to his room, loudly saying that he would run away another day. That was the only time he ever threatened to run away, LOL

Back on topic, I am still sitting on the fence. Nothing yet has convinced me one way or another. I hope that sometime solid evidence comes along that lets me gt off this fence... I worry I may be stuck up here forever.

I really hope that Dylan is safe somewhere, and can come home to his family soon. And if he can't, then I hope and pray he can at least be found, to give his family some peace. And that whoever is responsible for what happened is brought to justice.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Seajay,

I see where you're going with your thoughts. It's something I never thought of and an interesting scenario. I'm going to let that idea marinate in my brain for a while. It would take the help of some friends obviously.
I must say my first impression is no way...but who knows?

 

[Allusonz]

My apologies Salem regarding the information in that post. I have been trying to be very careful and I messed up. Sorry!!!

 

[DylansMom34]

Elaine's fiance posted a picture of a billboard sign of Dylan on the FMDR facebook page. Pretty awesome that people are still working hard at keeping Dylan's image out there! It is on the right side under "Recent Posts by Others" - posted by MH

http://www.facebook.com/FindMissingDylanRedwine

 

[Allusonz]

All i can remember is Elaine had to send somebody home as MR did not have the right scent items for the dogs ( if i remember rightly )

They used dogs on the Monday night as well as the Tuesday.

If there were no scent items for the dogs to use, why did LE not send someone back immediately?

Why did they wait till the weekend for someone to go back and retrieve items?


ETA Links

Members of La Plata County Search & Rescue team using bloodhounds searched for the teen Monday night and Tuesday. The search area included the shoreline around Vallecito Lake, several small subdivisions, county roads, steep wooded hillsides and hiking trails. Many of the homes in the area are seasonal while some are occupied year around'

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news...g-since-monday

'La Plata County Search and Rescue members searched for Redwine Monday night in areas of County Road 500. Residents who have expressed an interest in assisting are being asked to search their properties and areas of Vallecito they are familiar with'

http://www.laplatasar.org/www/index....d=21&Itemid=46

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[belimom]

They used dogs on the Monday night as well as the Tuesday.

If there were no scent items for the dogs to use, why did LE not send someone back immediately?

Why did they wait till the weekend for someone to go back and retrieve items?

So there was nothing at all in the home of Dylan's? That had his scent on it? The pillow case he slept on... the sheets from the bed...? Hmmm.

(ETA: a dirty sock from the night before? nothing? he supposedly left or was taken with every single item he arrived with?)

 

[asyousay]

Do people know which city the billboard went up in?

 

[cluciano63]

So there was nothing at all in the home of Dylan's? That had his scent on it? The pillow case he slept on... the sheets from the bed...? Hmmm.

Well..supposedly he fell asleep on a couch. I still don't know why a pillow wouldn't have worked, or whatever he put his head on.

I so don't believe this is a parental abduction gone bad.

 

[Allusonz]

So there was nothing at all in the home of Dylan's? That had his scent on it? The pillow case he slept on... the sheets from the bed...? Hmmm.

ER stated that there were no scent items and that someone was sent back on the weekend for them.

What I don't understand is why would they bring in the K9's if they had no scent articles on the Monday night and Tuesday. I would think they would send someone back immediately if that was required.

I can't believe a SAR team would waste not only their valuable time but everyone else's as well.

 

[belimom]

Well..supposedly he fell asleep on a couch. I still don't know why a pillow wouldn't have worked, or whatever he put his head on.

I so don't believe this is a parental abduction gone bad.

I hear ya, Clu. Not sure where I am right now but if that's true, then something is off, IMO. Nada? Nothing at all?!? Not one thing of his or that he had used -- sofa cushion? Blanket? Cap?

ETA: Having a son almost that age, I can tell you that he would've dug through that backpack upon waking to get *something* out. His Nintendo DS or something. Not changing clothes, I can really understand for boys that age. But I can't believe there's no trace of Dylan in the home if he was there the night before. Just puzzling...

 

[Old_Hippie]

All i can remember is Elaine had to send somebody home as MR did not have the right scent items for the dogs ( if i remember rightly )

Yes, items with Dylan's scent had to be brought from Colorado Springs, because the dogs couldn't get a good scent of him from anything in the house. It seems his clothes from the day before were taken with him. Possibly the pillow and blanket from the couch had been used by others and the scent was mixed. Or he never made it to the house. Those are the only logical reasons I can speculate about.

I just wanted to say the the word "abduction" legally only means taking someone from where they are willingly to someplace else against their will. It's a subtle distinction sometimes. For the sake of illustration, if Dylan was hitchhiking (which I don't really believe, but just to show the point) and someone stopped and he got into a vehicle willingly, he wouldn't be considered abducted yet. It would only be an abduction at the point that he said, "Let me out here" and the driver didn't do it. However, if Dylan was walking down the street and someone pulled over and forced him into a vehicle, that would be an abduction immediately.

It's the point at which the abductor begins to act against the person's free will to be where they choose to be, in other words. Abduction can be perpetrated by a stranger or an associate or a relative.

So, when LE says they expect an abduction, it doesn't mean that they're saying someone grabbed him and forced him physically. That's just one scenario. Technically, a live person or a dead one can be abducted. Removing a body from the scene of death is a form of abduction.

So, LE saying that they think this may be an abduction doesn't really tell us a whole lot other than they think Dylan was interfered with in some undisclosed way.

 

[CarolynV]

I may be stating the obvious but Dylan was home alone as was Hailey Dunn. A person of interest may have left the house for an alibi and come back to the house. A person with a 5 to 8 hour head start. (Assuming Dylan made it through the night and made it to MR's house.)

As for why didn't Dylan tell his Mom or Dad that his phone was broke? How could he if the phone got broke during a disagreement over his phone and his friends. Meaning if the phone was a sore spot he couldn't say, "Dad can you help me get a new phone?"

 

[Dee10]

Well..supposedly he fell asleep on a couch. I still don't know why a pillow wouldn't have worked, or whatever he put his head on.

I so don't believe this is a parental abduction gone bad.

I don't remember if there was a sheet & a blanket or one or the other, a reporter had mentioned they/it was still on the couch. But when ER had some items brought in, did the dogs get a scent then? :waitasec:

 

[NC Analyzer]

It is okay to be seemingly diametrically opposed in our thinking and theorizing with regard to Dylan's disappearance. There is more than one way to look at a situation such as this -- in spite of the numerous past cases in which it was almost immediately apparent as to what happened to a child. What is it, I wonder, that sometimes gives a person pause to stop and think that, perhaps, something seems different.... almost like a whisper, a vague notion, something niggling at you and bothering your usual train of thought on a matter

Of course there are several ways to look at this situation, but I look at this thread as place to discuss and analyze criminal cases. Unfortunately, when those conclusions lead to the likelihood that a child may be deceased, possibly at the hand of the person who should have been the one to protect him, then it is very upsetting. Wanting a different outcome is human but sometimes life doesn't work like that. The ability to maintain an objective opinion when sorting through known information is what separates LE personnel from regular citizens.
The Facebook site is an excellent place to post hopeful, positive, encouragement to family and friends of a missing person. Admin on the page is very careful not to allow much "sleuthing" or speculation regarding anyone close to Dylan because the purpose of their page is to keep things hopeful, positive and encouraging.
I realize Websleuths is a public website and everyone is welcome to come and post whatever they want, but I do believe the difference (described above) is the very reason for some of the bickering here.

 

[asyousay]

The problem is if Dad took the phone as punishment then Dylan vanishes then you are not guilty so you would own up as that's a small concern than your son being kidnapped by a perp .

 

[Dee10]

I may be stating the obvious but Dylan was home alone as was Hailey Dunn. A person of interest may have left the house for an alibi and come back to the house. A person with a 5 to 8 hour head start. (Assuming Dylan made it through the night and made it to MR's house.)

As for why didn't Dylan tell his Mom or Dad that his phone was broke? How could he if the phone got broke during a disagreement over his phone and his friends. Meaning if the phone was a sore spot he couldn't say, "Dad can you help me get a new phone?"

According to MR he texted Dylan a few times when he went missing, so apparently MR didn't know the phone was broken or the battery died or the phone was off.

 

[Old_Hippie]

I don't remember if there was a sheet & a blanket or one or the other, a reporter had mentioned they/it was still on the couch. But when ER had some items brought in, did the dogs get a scent then? :waitasec:

Yes, but I have no link.

 

[rebeccaeee]

Do people know which city the billboard went up in?

Two billboards up in Colorado Springs. I hope they are aiming at getting some up in Durango!

 

[Allusonz]

Yes, items with Dylan's scent had to be brought from Colorado Springs, because the dogs couldn't get a good scent of him from anything in the house. It seems his clothes from the day before were taken with him. Possibly the pillow and blanket from the couch had been used by others and the scent was mixed. Or he never made it to the house. Those are the only logical reasons I can speculate about.

I just wanted to say the the word "abduction" legally only means taking someone from where they are willingly to someplace else against their will. It's a subtle distinction sometimes. For the sake of illustration, if Dylan was hitchhiking (which I don't really believe, but just to show the point) and someone stopped and he got into a vehicle willingly, he wouldn't be considered abducted yet. It would only be an abduction at the point that he said, "Let me out here" and the driver didn't do it. However, if Dylan was walking down the street and someone pulled over and forced him into a vehicle, that would be an abduction immediately.

It's the point at which the abductor begins to act against the person's free will to be where they choose to be, in other words. Abduction can be perpetrated by a stranger or an associate or a relative.

So, when LE says they expect an abduction, it doesn't mean that they're saying someone grabbed him and forced him physically. That's just one scenario. Technically, a live person or a dead one can be abducted. Removing a body from the scene of death is a form of abduction.

So, LE saying that they think this may be an abduction doesn't really tell us a whole lot other than they think Dylan was interred with in some undisclosed way.

ER is the only one that has stated that there were no scent articles for the K9's to use.

LE has never said this.