CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #26

[asyousay]

I think the problem is the lack of a story here. Dylan vanished into thin air and nobody has come forward to say they have seen him or anything else.

That wont sell newspapers or get you on tv as there is nothing to say . Of the facts known it would take all of 30 secs to explain.

 

[MissJ]

who would gain from hiding him, alive and safe, away? Its not logical that either has anything to gain long term in doing such a thing.

 

[Old_Hippie]

Elaine had the clothing delivered the weekend after the Monday Dylan went missing -

But the family had articles of the boy’s clothing delivered on the weekend.

When they arrived, LE said they didn't need them, but could use them later. This gave me the impression there was no pressing need for them, and that makes me think that there were scent items from the house. LE never said they didn't have scent items. This is just my opinion, of course.

Bender said Monday. “We don’t need them here (at the reservoir), but can use them later.”

http://durangoherald.com/article/20121126/NEWS01/121129702&template=mobileart

They weren't needed at the reservoir because LE was using cadaver dogs at the reservoir, IMO.

 

[Seajay]

who would gain from hiding him, alive and safe, away? Its not logical that either has anything to gain long term in doing such a thing.

Well, MR could lose visitation for being irresponsible and "losing" the child on his watch. Or he could be accused and arrested for doing something worse to the child.

All we have to do is look in this thread and the other 24 previous ones to see all the reasons someone would disappear Dylan on Mark's watch. They've been stated over and over and over again.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

The whole dog thing has always confused me. What dogs were used where and what did they hit on where? I am aware of 3 independent cadaver dogs getting hits at the lake (and I believe this was IN the lake). That is all I know. And the thing with that is there could be a body in that lake but that doesn't mean it's Dylan.

 

[scorekeeper]

Finally caught up (3 threads) after being on vacation....

It was good to see Elaine and Cory do a media interview.

Cory seemed upset/frustrated with his dad to me.

Elaine appears to not be as angry at Mark; this sorta' puzzles me. Unless she is trying hard to get him to possibly talk to her/Cory. Or did she receive some type of information that is giving her hope that Dylan is alive and being held against his will?

Are there stages that parents of missing children go through (like the grieving process)?

I so wanted to come back and see that Dylan was home but here we are at Thread 26 with nothing new from LE....

And waiting on baby news from our friend down under....

 

[SailorMoon]

What about an abduction to take someone out of the picture, that kind of didn't work, and now what?? That scenario I can see.

 

[cluciano63]

Well, MR could lose visitation for being irresponsible and "losing" the child on his watch. Or he could be accused and arrested for doing something worse to the child.

All we have to do is look in this thread and the other 24 previous ones to see all the reasons someone would disappear Dylan on Mark's watch. They've been stated over and over and over again.

This makes no sense to me. Is Dylan supposed to be in on it too? Otherwise, what does he say when he "returns"? And who is holding him hostage, as surely no 13-yr old boy stays away from his comfortable life and friends by choice. So he would have to be a prisoner, IMO. And to what end? The ones going to prison in this scenario are the ones who planned and executed it. Not buying it.

 

[Seajay]

As far as I could see, the only thing that seemed newsworthy to the media was the two parents throwing grenades at each other. Once they stopped that, the media lost interest. Now Dylan is just another missing child. It's sad.

 

[MissJ]

Well, MR could lose visitation for being irresponsible and "losing" the child on his watch. Or he could be accused and arrested for doing something worse to the child.

All we have to do is look in this thread and the other 24 previous ones to see all the reasons someone would disappear Dylan on Mark's watch. They've been stated over and over and over again.

I've read every word hoping and praying that this young man is alive. I was talking about hiding him alive. Why would MR hurt him? For pure spite!:moo:

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Well, MR could lose visitation for being irresponsible and "losing" the child on his watch. Or he could be accused and arrested for doing something worse to the child.

All we have to do is look in this thread and the other 24 previous ones to see all the reasons someone would disappear Dylan on Mark's watch. They've been stated over and over and over again.

If it turns out Dylan has been abducted by someone other than MR there's no way he's going to lose visitation for losing his child on his watch. Dylan is 13 and legally he can be left home alone. From that standpoint I don't think MR can be held accountable. And the obvious is if THEY are caught THEY go to jail. I don't think there's any way MR's going to be arrested without some solid proof.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

What about an abduction to take someone out of the picture, that kind of didn't work, and now what?? That scenario I can see.

If you're talking about someone doing this purposely and trying to make it look like MR did something that seems far fetched. LE does not arrest someone without evidence. Of course what is far fetched to me may not be far fetched to someone else. If that's the case whomever did it is not real bright when it comes to the law.

 

[NC Analyzer]

Well, MR could lose visitation for being irresponsible and "losing" the child on his watch. Or he could be accused and arrested for doing something worse to the child.

All we have to do is look in this thread and the other 24 previous ones to see all the reasons someone would disappear Dylan on Mark's watch. They've been stated over and over and over again.

I don't understand this at all. Are you saying the posters here have reasons to disappear Dylan?
JMO, but I can't see anyone here having an ulterior motive for framing MR. The majority of posters never even heard of the guy prior to this case.

 

[Confusion]

They used dogs on the Monday night as well as the Tuesday.

If there were no scent items for the dogs to use, why did LE not send someone back immediately?

Why did they wait till the weekend for someone to go back and retrieve items?

ETA Links

Members of La Plata County Search & Rescue team using bloodhounds searched for the teen Monday night and Tuesday. The search area included the shoreline around Vallecito Lake, several small subdivisions, county roads, steep wooded hillsides and hiking trails. Many of the homes in the area are seasonal while some are occupied year around'

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news...g-since-monday

'La Plata County Search and Rescue members searched for Redwine Monday night in areas of County Road 500. Residents who have expressed an interest in assisting are being asked to search their properties and areas of Vallecito they are familiar with'

http://www.laplatasar.org/www/index....d=21&Itemid=46

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I think ER brought the items during the first 24 hours. An article from November 21st:

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/western-slope/la-plata-county-officials-search-for-13-year-old-dylan-redwine-whos-been-missing-since-monday

Members of La Plata County Search & Rescue team using bloodhounds searched for the teen Monday night and Tuesday. The search area included the shoreline around Vallecito Lake, several small subdivisions, county roads, steep wooded hillsides and hiking trails. Many of the homes in the area are seasonal while some are occupied year around.

These bloodhounds were tracking dogs. The cadaver dogs were used at the lake, in boats. (Can't find the link now.)

Around Christmas, LE brought a bloodhound from New Mexico to try to track Dylan, saying that they can follow a scent for up to six weeks after the fact. The dog didn't find a scent.

http://durangoherald.com/article/20121226/NEWS01/121229694/

In a recent development, a bloodhound from New Mexico searched the same areas in Vellacito gone over earlier by search teams and dogs, KOAT-TV in Albuquerque reported.

The bloodhound, the station report said, can detect a scent up to 6 weeks old. But the dog turned up nothing.

So, lots of dogs, but no luck. MR says he believes Dylan isn't in the area anymore.

Unfortunately, the explanation for what happened (and the results of Monday's search) wasn't given on any approved sites so it is just rumor and can't be discussed. I believe there were items at the house with Dylan's scent on them, but none that had a "clean" scent. Everything was likely to have been contaminated with scents from other people. There are dogs trained to track people without scent items too (such as those that track escaped convicts), but I haven't heard if any trained that way were ever used. MOO

 

[Seajay]

If it turns out Dylan has been abducted by someone other than MR there's no way he's going to lose visitation for losing his child on his watch. Dylan is 13 and legally he can be left home alone. From that standpoint I don't think MR can be held accountable. And the obvious is if THEY are caught THEY go to jail. I don't think there's any way MR's going to be arrested without some solid proof.

At least we're talking about it. MR has pretty much been convicted here without really any proof. Glad the judicial system doesn't work the same way.

Yes, THEY will go to jail if caught. That's why I'm saying I don't think it was thought all the way out. And it coincides with the comment about this going too far. I think it went on too long and went too far. I think it was intended to be short term but this case took on a life of it's own. I didn't say we were dealing with rocket scientists here. LOL JMO

 

[cluciano63]

This scenario came up in Kyron's case, at one point, people thinking maybe Desiree had him taken. It seems to surface when there is no child and no progress, IMO.

If parents are really doing this, they must be either really stupid or really smart. Stupid because now they can't see the child either, and smart because none are ever charged. Meanwhile, where are these children supposed to be?

 

[Dee10]

Well, MR could lose visitation for being irresponsible and "losing" the child on his watch. Or he could be accused and arrested for doing something worse to the child.

All we have to do is look in this thread and the other 24 previous ones to see all the reasons someone would disappear Dylan on Mark's watch. They've been stated over and over and over again.

I am not sure if this is what you are referring to but just in case, poster's opinions are very different than the court of law. There is no way he will be arrested because of opinions, it will take a lot of evidence, so please don't worry. Mark even says don't worry about him, he will be fine.

 

[Dixie811]

Finally caught up (3 threads) after being on vacation....

It was good to see Elaine and Cory do a media interview.

Cory seemed upset/frustrated with his dad to me.

Elaine appears to not be as angry at Mark; this sorta' puzzles me. Unless she is trying hard to get him to possibly talk to her/Cory. Or did she receive some type of information that is giving her hope that Dylan is alive and being held against his will?

Are there stages that parents of missing children go through (like the grieving process)?

I don't want to get too theological here but in regards to your question about stages of grief...

Many experts on grief and loss will cite Dr. Kubler-Ross's Five-Stages Model for grief. These are:
1. Denial
2. Anger
3. Bargaining
4. Depression
5. Acceptance

Of course in recent years there has been many logical discussions among experts pertaining to the notion that not every grieving person will go through all of these stages, or all of them in order, or for a certain given amount of time. It is really just a guide.

If I had to talk about Elaine in terms of the Five-Stages model, I would think her behavior during the first week of Dylan's disappearance identifies with the Anger stage.... and what you mention now about her seeming less angry and hopeful that Dylan is alive in her most recent intervew.... of course that would identify with denial or perhaps bargaining (If I allow myself to believe he has been taken, I will hold on to the idea that he must be alive).

I realize you probably wanted information specifically pertaining to the parents of missing kids-- I don't have that information, but just wanted to share my own frame of reference.

JMO.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I don't think MR has pretty much been convicted here. I just think that based on what we know it's the only thing that might make sense. It's not just here. Apparently there are many people coming to this conclusion.
The problem is we don't know much. There could be much more that we aren't privy to which might drastically change people's thinking.
I've said before and I'll say it again..I don't think anyone here could possibly be 100% convinced that MR did anything to Dylan, based on what we know. It's just not enough.

 

[SmoothOperator]

Below are 9 of the areas of concern WRT Mark Redwine in the time prior to, during, and after the "disappearance" of his son, Dylan..

**All credit goes to cluciano63 and katydid23 as most of the info was derived from two of their posts made in the previous thread. I just simply combined info from each and then separated that info into individual points of concern regarding MR ..**
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- MR seems to skip from arrival at the house/Nerf ball to the next morning. Nothing more than "he went to bed early" when in fact he is supposed to have slept on the couch. What did MR then do?

- Dylan refusing to get up does not ring true for some, when we know for certain how very eager he was to see R and friends.

- To some the notion is nonsensical that Dylan was going fishing by himself in a remote lake, when he had his good friends, who he was anxious to see, waiting for him in town.

- Dylan's being sleepy and inclined to laze about and not get up, does in no way correlate with his then taking off on foot rather than take the ride he supposedly full well acknowledged to his dad that he understood was to be back home soon.

- Nonsensical it is to some that Dylan was not allowed to go to R's on Sunday night, since MR was busy on Monday morning anyway. MR had to get up extra early to drive Dylan out there.

- MR returned home at 11:30am, to an empty house. His actions/behaviors that followed are to some suspicious in his not being more concerned and proactive about his missing son(yet he certainly had negative words for LE not being more proactive regarding the fishing pole/lake).He sat for FIVE HOURS and waited for a reply to his texts. (In an area supposed by some to not have reception necessary for consistent text messaging)

- as mentioned above, MR criticizing LE for not looking at the lake more quickly. He said he told them on day one that Dylan's fishing pole was missing. So did he go to the lake himself and search when he realized that? He had a rather large window of time of 11:30am until 4:00pm when he finally went and checked with the friends.

- MR's past arrests for menacing/assault and child abuse. No matter what transpired, it is obvious to some that he had a very volatile temper and he lost control during those incidents.[ tho most of the charges were dropped---unfortunately it often happens that way, and it doesn't mean it never happened, imo. ]

- MR's original description of his last interactions with his son.. It went from "out like a light" to " I gently nudged him awake, explained that I had to leave, and he said he understood." (to many these statements are very different in meaning..whereas to others they are not..to each their own).
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**again all credit goes to cluciano and katydid for the above list of concerning issues regarding MR..feel free to add to, omit, or edit the list in any way you'd like.**