CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #28

[NC Analyzer]

There is always the burner phone theory. But that wouldn't be traceable. LISK used burner phones to call the families of his victims and did so from crowded places like Madison Square Garden and Times Square. That's why he's still foot loose and fancy free.

They have significantly improved burner tracing capabilities. I know the Secret Service is now involved in utilizing some of this new technology. Don't ask me for details, but I do know you can get a lot of info from online research. I'm following another case where the SS was brought in to analyze cell phones. JMO

 

[Confusion]

Perhaps it's just me, and forgive me for what I'm about to say because it is difficult. I mean no disrespect to anyone's theories or ideas but I have to say this; although it is difficult/heartbreaking/unfair/unthinkable to think MR is responsible for what happened to Dylan, I cannot imagine that some perv who made "friends" with Dylan, drove 5 hours to pick him up and managed to disappear without ANY trace would be a kinder option. I no longer believe this child is with us. If I am left to tussle with this thought, I have to say it is a better option than what could have been, or is currently what is happening to this child in the hands of some pervert. Sometimes death isn't the worst thing. JMO

Once again, I didn't say anything about someone driving from CS. I didn't say it was a kinder option, and I didn't even say it had to be a pervert who did it. I also don't believe anyone ever does anything without leaving a trace, but sometimes the traces aren't as easily spotted as at other times. I think it's difficult/heartbreaking/unfair/unthinkable no matter who is responsible. As I've said in the past, I'm not saying that I believe any of the possibilities I mention is necessarily the correct one, but I do want to make sure I've looked at as many as possible before I decide that any one is the "most" likely. MOO

 

[cluciano63]

No one I have seen post here has "decided" anything. Some theories may seem more likely than others, to many, and if that means putting MR on the hot seat, it is mostly due to his own actions and non-actions, rather than to any desire for him to be guilty. JMO

 

[NC Analyzer]

Once again, I didn't say anything about someone driving from CS. I didn't say it was a kinder option, and I didn't even say it had to be a pervert who did it. I also don't believe anyone ever does anything without leaving a trace, but sometimes the traces aren't as easily spotted as at other times. I think it's difficult/heartbreaking/unfair/unthinkable no matter who is responsible. As I've said in the past, I'm not saying that I believe any of the possibilities I mention is necessarily the correct one, but I do want to make sure I've looked at as many as possible before I decide that any one is the "most" likely. MOO

As I said, it was JMO. But I can't see where you can find a person that wasn't from Bayfield, Colorado Springs, (or the plane) that no one was aware of. Because that person would have had to have some ongoing contact with Dylan. None of the arrangements that were suggested could have happened without a relationship of some kind. And if this wasn't some pervert, then it appears that it must be someone known to Dylan and although we are dealing with a small town LE, I have to keep in mind that the CBI/FBI are also part of the task force and at this point I'm confident that every known acquaintance, family member, friend, teacher, coach, etc. etc. etc. has been thoroughly interviewed and is not on the radar. The only one that has remained on the radar is MR. JMO

 

[Confusion]

As I said, it was JMO. But I can't see where you can find a person that wasn't from Bayfield, Colorado Springs, (or the plane) that no one was aware of. Because that person would have had to have some ongoing contact with Dylan. None of the arrangements that were suggested could have happened without a relationship of some kind. And if this wasn't some pervert, then it appears that it must be someone known to Dylan and although we are dealing with a small town LE, I have to keep in mind that the CBI/FBI are also part of the task force and at this point I'm confident that every known acquaintance, family member, friend, teacher, coach, etc. etc. etc. has been thoroughly interviewed and is not on the radar. The only one that has remained on the radar is MR. JMO

BBM

As far as we know. I think I've explained myself clearly enough, but I'm not going to argue about it. If someone doesn't like the idea, there are plenty of others out there. MOO

 

[cluciano63]

If for example Dylan had sent a late text to someone in order to meet up with them, LE would know that this was third-party type scenario, and should have known long ago. Nothing they have shown indicates, to me anyway, that they believe Dylan made arrangements with some unknown person to blow off his friends and disappear. They said he did not run away long ago.

I have a few scenarios in my head, but not one of them includes Dylan choosing not to visit R on Monday.

 

[NC Analyzer]

BBM

As far as we know. I think I've explained myself clearly enough, but I'm not going to argue about it. If someone doesn't like the idea, there are plenty of others out there. MOO

I'm really not trying to argue with anyone, but if the pieces don't fit (no matter what is missing) then the pieces don't fit. Not having the whole picture is a fact...but the pieces we do have must be workable no matter how small.
JMO and I suggest we just agree to disagree.

It is what it is *sigh* Bless this child.

 

[cluciano63]

Even with this little burst of activity this week, I am not feeling very confident about this case being resolved. I just have a bad feeling that LE will get everything possible against a potential POI and it will not be enough to make a case. So much seems to be supposition. IF he got there, IF he made the text, IF he really wanted to sleep in, IF he ate cereal, IF a fishing pole is missing, IF his phone broke, etc. With the ten-day delay by LE early on, many of those things can never be proven.

 

[Confusion]

If for example Dylan had sent a late text to someone in order to meet up with them, LE would know that this was third-party type scenario, and should have known long ago. Nothing they have shown indicates, to me anyway, that they believe Dylan made arrangements with some unknown person to blow off his friends and disappear. They said he did not run away long ago.

I have a few scenarios in my head, but not one of them includes Dylan choosing not to visit R on Monday.

He probably didn't decide to blow off his friends and disappear, and I don't think anyone believes he ran away at this point. That still doesn't change the possiblity of what I said happening. MOO

 

[yupikgirl]

Even if it was an iTouch, you'd still need (a) WiFi, and (b) the access code. I'm not sure MR has wifi - if he has a standard desktop computer, he wouldn't need it anyway. Not all routers come with wifi built in - the one for my DSL doesn't.

I agree. I was just responding to the stuff about the texting and the touch . FWIW we have two laptops and one desktop (and iPads, touches etc) and the desktop is wireless. It's not that new either. We also have always used our own router..I know some people use whatever comes with their provider, but we have moved 11times in the last 17 years (military) so we always have used our own because there are many Internet providers that don't provide it. I always believed the "router" is what you use for wireless. What we have in our house that gives us Internet whether it dls or cable I didn't think it was called a router. Of course I could be called the thing we get our wireless from all these years the wrong thing...I'm not an expert I just buy them every few years LOL. I just thought it was the cable modem or dls modem and then a router. Add modems with built in routers and it gets confusing! We have never had a modem with a built in router.

 

[yupikgirl]

Ok, thanks. I saw it once and it looked just like an iPhone. It was the same size. I thought the iPod touch was new thing cuz everyone is making such a big deal out of it now.

Haha yes it is exactly like the phone, but doesn't have the phone service. I think for our family they were a big deal to our kids because they always wanted to play with our iPhones. This gave them everything they loved about the phone without the phone LOL

 

[Seajay]

Even if it was an iTouch, you'd still need (a) WiFi, and (b) the access code. I'm not sure MR has wifi - if he has a standard desktop computer, he wouldn't need it anyway. Not all routers come with wifi built in - the one for my DSL doesn't.

There you are, we've been looking for you. We've been batting about the "electronic device" LE has dropped on us. There is now speculation running rampant that Dylan may have sent texts from his iPod (or it was Mark posing as Dylan.) Since Elaine stated according to records that Dylan's last communication from his cell phone was at 8:01 pm, and it's written in stone, we are left with the option that Dylan (or Mark) sent that communication from either Dylan's iPod or Mark's computer. We were discussing if this was traceable by LE. It was stated through MSM that an iPod was found during the SW at MR's house. We do not know if it was Dylan's or Mark's. But if it was Dylan's, I can easily see how LE could have extracted that information from it. Without out, is there any way for LE to know a text was sent from Dylan's iPod??? I know there was loads of other questions but that's the only one I can remember at this time of night. Sowwy. :blush:

 

[Seajay]

Haha yes it is exactly like the phone, but doesn't have the phone service. I think for our family they were a big deal to our kids because they always wanted to play with our iPhones. This gave them everything they loved about the phone without the phone LOL

The only other iPods I saw were my older grandchildren had these smaller ones, that they put into a docking station. Then my daughter had a Nano which was a lot smaller than the ones we grandkids had. The ones they had were about the size of a small cell phone, only flatter.

 

[yupikgirl]

I forgot to quote a question i saw earlier. There would be no way to know a text was sent from an iPod touch without looking right at the iPod. Unless the person he sent the text to was also using an iPod touch because when you text between two iPod touches you use an email address to do it. Obviously you would have to have one of the iPod touches to see this. Throw in texting apps and it gets more confusing in that these apps give you a phone number so you can text people with cells phones who don't have iPhones, iPads, or iPod touches. Anyway there is no way to look it up like you do with a cell phone you have to have the iPod to see anything.

And with that I have to go its my daughters 13th birthday and I have 8 girls about to arrive for a sleepover. I hope I didn't confuse any issues it certainly wasn't my intentions and I apologize if I did!

 

[JustJeannie]

There you are, we've been looking for you. We've been batting about the "electronic device" LE has dropped on us. There is now speculation running rampant that Dylan may have sent texts from his iPod (or it was Mark posing as Dylan.) Since Elaine stated according to records that Dylan's last communication from his cell phone was at 8:01 pm, and it's written in stone, we are left with the option that Dylan (or Mark) sent that communication from either Dylan's iPod or Mark's computer. We were discussing if this was traceable by LE. It was stated through MSM that an iPod was found during the SW at MR's house. We do not know if it was Dylan's or Mark's. But if it was Dylan's, I can easily see how LE could have extracted that information from it. Without out, is there any way for LE to know a text was sent from Dylan's iPod??? I know there was loads of other questions but that's the only one I can remember at this time of night. Sowwy. :blush:

BBM

I am not an expert - far from it, lol. But some googling I did last night showed me that you can text from an iPod Touch using imessage or several other apps you can download. All will give you free and unlimited texting, provided you have a wi-fi connection.

From what I could see, most assign you a "phone number" - though some are strictly associated with an email account - and records are kept of those. I did see that those records can be released to LE with a proper warrant, but would not be released to anyone else.

So IF Dylan had used a Touch to message in the past, I would think that LE could look into the number assigned/email account associated with past messages he had sent and obtain records to see the texts sent to/from it, even without having the Touch in hand.

Again, I'm not an expert, and this is just my interpretation from things I read while googling. Whether Dylan actually has a Touch, or has ever used said Touch for messaging, I have no clue.

 

[mmmagique]

I think that you may be right. We'll see how the protest goes tomorrow.

If things go bad at the protest, I have a feeling that any mediated discussions will be postponed.

There won't be any mediated discussions whether things go well, things go bad, or things are indifferent. MR never intended to set up any mediated discussion. (imoo)

 

[asyousay]

What is the time in Vallecito ?

 

[aust amateur slueth]

What is the time in Vallecito ?

its currently 5.12am in Vallecito

 

[aust amateur slueth]

There won't be any mediated discussions whether things go well, things go bad, or things are indifferent. MR never intended to set up any mediated discussion. (imoo)

I think you're right.

It seems to me that MR says one thing but does the opposite. For example wanting to get together with ER in the early days, but at the same time not replying to texts from her or CR. not wanting people to focus on him, but not putting the focus on Dylan himself.

IMO he is game playing

potentially interesting comment under a DRN post 15 hours ago

 

[asyousay]

its currently 5.12am in Vallecito

Thank you . Wow I am 7 hours ahead which means the rally is still hours away .

I am still hoping Mark will grow a back bone and stick around . If the media are there then he could speak out for Dylan and ask for help x